Anyone dealing with Cluster headaches for many years?

Posted by Avion @benchi300, Sep 17, 2023

Have u found relief with preventive treatment. Is Verapamil a good treatment that keeps its efficiency over time? Thanks for your help.

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@coachgail29

I have had clusters just about every other year for 30 years. New headache specialist suggested a 3 doses of Emgality. I'm a little hesitant but not sure what else to do next time they hit. Mine are more cervicogenic, so they said, but I rock back and forth, bang my head and scream. The headaches no longer stop on their own (tried fighting for 2 hours) and they hit a couple of times a day. To stop them, I have to use the sumatriptan injections. However, I give myself half doses of 6mg vials (not auto injectors). I have the kind that has two vials and they clip into a blue container. I hook the injector onto a vial and spin to pop the dose up, and then spin it backwards so I can pull it the rest of the way out with my hand. I put the needle in my arm and use a q-tip to push the black stopper down halfway. The next round I use the same needle (only 3mg left) and push that into my arm with the actual injector. That gets me 4 shots out of the two vials. Can't use too many per day because they will rebound. To stop a cycle I have to get facet injections into my C2-3. Something triggers my muscle and it pinches the nerves. The spasm will only stop with a steroid injection. Not sure why these headaches exist but they are truly hell on earth. I also belong to the cluster headache website but not sure how to go about getting mushrooms. I heard years ago that it works but never looked into it. You would think with technology and medications today, we would be able to put an end to this hell.

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I have used the Emgality at the cluster dose. Didn't experience any problems from it at all. Honestly, not sure how much it worked or not, but worth considering if your doctor recommends it.

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@coachgail29

I have had clusters just about every other year for 30 years. New headache specialist suggested a 3 doses of Emgality. I'm a little hesitant but not sure what else to do next time they hit. Mine are more cervicogenic, so they said, but I rock back and forth, bang my head and scream. The headaches no longer stop on their own (tried fighting for 2 hours) and they hit a couple of times a day. To stop them, I have to use the sumatriptan injections. However, I give myself half doses of 6mg vials (not auto injectors). I have the kind that has two vials and they clip into a blue container. I hook the injector onto a vial and spin to pop the dose up, and then spin it backwards so I can pull it the rest of the way out with my hand. I put the needle in my arm and use a q-tip to push the black stopper down halfway. The next round I use the same needle (only 3mg left) and push that into my arm with the actual injector. That gets me 4 shots out of the two vials. Can't use too many per day because they will rebound. To stop a cycle I have to get facet injections into my C2-3. Something triggers my muscle and it pinches the nerves. The spasm will only stop with a steroid injection. Not sure why these headaches exist but they are truly hell on earth. I also belong to the cluster headache website but not sure how to go about getting mushrooms. I heard years ago that it works but never looked into it. You would think with technology and medications today, we would be able to put an end to this hell.

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I have used the Emgality at the cluster dose. Didn't experience any problems from it at all. Honestly, not sure how much it worked or not, but worth considering if your doctor recommends it.
Oh, I have always felt like my neck and the clusters were connected. But my C2-3 facets are fused so they can't do an injection there. They said they could try C3-4 but I've been afraid to do it. How long do they work for you?
Also, have you gone to Clusterbusters, I think it is clusterbusters.org. If you get an account with them you can check out all the "busting" details on their forum. I haven't tried it, but you might get the mushroom details you are looking for.

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Hi @seanmartin45699 @coachgail29 and @sanderson23,

Glad to hear you've found something that is helping your headaches, seanmartin45699.

In addition to the psilocybin mushrooms you talked about here, other members have mentioned alternative or complementary treatments in the Connect Headache & Migraine support group. I'm guessing you're aware it's always a good idea to talk to your doctor about complementary or alternative therapies you're considering and do your research about their effectiveness. When considering complementary or alternative treatments, be open-minded yet skeptical.

One article on the National Institutes of Health's National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health had some useful information on mushrooms:

-In the News: Diamond Shruumz-Brand Chocolate Bars, Cones, and Gummies
https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/in-the-news-diamond-shruumz-brand-chocolate-bars-cones-and-gummies
coachgail29 - did you end up finding out how to get ahold of psilocybin mushrooms? If so, have you used them and how did it go?

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@seanmartin45699

I have been living with episodic cluster headaches for over 20 years. I have used everything a doctor can prescribe with little relief. I still have my Triptans (nasal) but I don't use them any more. I would research everything I say for yourself, I am no doctor. Saying that I will say this, at first sign of a cluster cycle I microdose Psilocybin Mushrooms, and follow up with another dose one week later. It breaks the entire cycle, not just one attack. I did this for the first time four years ago and it stopped the cycle in one attack, and I experienced the longest remission period (four years) in over 20 years. I again last week took a single dose and it stopped the cycle completely. ClusterBuster.com is a great resource. I pray this helps at least one other person get rid of the living hell that we deal with.

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@seanmartin45699
Are you still micro dosing as a way to control your migraines? I hope that it is continuing to help you.

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I have chronic migraine and probable cluster headache that is doing very poorly in the last year or so but especially the last several weeks. I also have lots of degenerative changes in my C-spine, facet arthritis and degenerative disk disease. I am very very VERY cautious with procedures, but I think I finally need to consider the spine injections they are recomending as I feel like the pain in my head and in my neck are in a feedback loop. Has anyone else had either MBB (medial branch blocks) or facet steroid injections? What level and how did it go as far as decreasing headaches? (I a not so worried about the neck pain, I am worried about how it triggers the migraine). Has anyone had a (RFA) radio frequency ablation? Again, what level and did it help headaches? Did anyone have the RFA flare up their migraine and for how long?

Last question, and I don't know if there are any rules about this in this foru. If this question isn't allowed, I retract it! I really need to go to someone I know is really good, I need that confidence and trust to move forward. Does anyone have a doctor they have had these types of injections with in Oregon that was exceptional and if so, can you give me their name and tell me why you think so highly of them?

Thanks so much for your help!!

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@sanderson23

I have chronic migraine and probable cluster headache that is doing very poorly in the last year or so but especially the last several weeks. I also have lots of degenerative changes in my C-spine, facet arthritis and degenerative disk disease. I am very very VERY cautious with procedures, but I think I finally need to consider the spine injections they are recomending as I feel like the pain in my head and in my neck are in a feedback loop. Has anyone else had either MBB (medial branch blocks) or facet steroid injections? What level and how did it go as far as decreasing headaches? (I a not so worried about the neck pain, I am worried about how it triggers the migraine). Has anyone had a (RFA) radio frequency ablation? Again, what level and did it help headaches? Did anyone have the RFA flare up their migraine and for how long?

Last question, and I don't know if there are any rules about this in this foru. If this question isn't allowed, I retract it! I really need to go to someone I know is really good, I need that confidence and trust to move forward. Does anyone have a doctor they have had these types of injections with in Oregon that was exceptional and if so, can you give me their name and tell me why you think so highly of them?

Thanks so much for your help!!

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@sanderson23 I'm sorry about your migraines, but you may want to consider what part your cervical disc disease may be playing in generating pain. Typicality, cervical spine issues cause muscles spasms that pull the spine out of normal alihgnmemnet. With lots of muscles attached to the vertebrae and connecting to the skull, that can generate pain when the muscles are stressed by a spasm that adds tension to them. You may want to see if physical therapy can help. If your spine degeneration is advanced, you may want to consider seeking a spine surgeon's opinion.

Injections don't fix problems, and just possibly mask dome symptoms. I don't have experience with ablations, but that may be a temporary solution or it may not give relief. You would need other opinions on that. I am a cervical spine surgery patient, and spine surgery calmed down the muscle spasms a lot. I can still have some spasms. but they are correctable with stretching. My surgery was a C5/C6 fusion which made my life better.

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@jenniferhunter

@sanderson23 I'm sorry about your migraines, but you may want to consider what part your cervical disc disease may be playing in generating pain. Typicality, cervical spine issues cause muscles spasms that pull the spine out of normal alihgnmemnet. With lots of muscles attached to the vertebrae and connecting to the skull, that can generate pain when the muscles are stressed by a spasm that adds tension to them. You may want to see if physical therapy can help. If your spine degeneration is advanced, you may want to consider seeking a spine surgeon's opinion.

Injections don't fix problems, and just possibly mask dome symptoms. I don't have experience with ablations, but that may be a temporary solution or it may not give relief. You would need other opinions on that. I am a cervical spine surgery patient, and spine surgery calmed down the muscle spasms a lot. I can still have some spasms. but they are correctable with stretching. My surgery was a C5/C6 fusion which made my life better.

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Thank you, this is helpful!

I have done PT 9 times for my neck! By nine times, I mean with 9 different PTs over 9 different times, full courses over 12 years or so. I do find the exercises help, but only somewhat and I have to be very careful or they can make things worse.

What was wrong at your C5-6 level that you had a fusion for, if I may ask? My neuro has cautioned me against surgery.....

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@sanderson23

Thank you, this is helpful!

I have done PT 9 times for my neck! By nine times, I mean with 9 different PTs over 9 different times, full courses over 12 years or so. I do find the exercises help, but only somewhat and I have to be very careful or they can make things worse.

What was wrong at your C5-6 level that you had a fusion for, if I may ask? My neuro has cautioned me against surgery.....

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@sanderson23 I had a ruptured disc at C5/C6 which initially wasn't so bad. I know when it ruptured because I was turning my head when it happened and heard the pop and my head suddenly turned farther. When that jelly like nucleus inside a disc spills out, it causes inflammation which causes bone spurs to grow as the spine tries to stabilize itself. The bone spurs and disc contents were pressing 5 mm into the spinal canal causing a little bit of spinal cord compression and a lot of pain symptoms everywhere in my body. I lost the coordination in my arms and lost muscle in my shoulder as well as had an uneven gait.

That was progressing and I saw the amount of bone spurs double in 9 months time on MRIs. The disc lost half it's height and I lost a quarter inch in height. I also had 2 mm of retrolisthesis which is slipping backwards at that level. I had a choice of fusion or artificial disc, but the artificial disc was not a great choice because of the 2mm of movement. I also opted for the fusion because I could do it with no hardware and only a bone disc spacer. With only one level fused, my neck movement is about the same as before except that I can't touch my chin to my chest anymore. This surgery was a good thing, and it gave me my life back, stopped all the pain, and prevented disability from happening. I have also done a lot of myofascial release to loosen scar tissue and keep my neck mobile. That helps a lot after surgery and on an ongoing basis to prevent spasms.

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Thanks for sharing your story. I’m glad that the surgery helped you!

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I had a consult with a physiatrist and am going to do a facet injection with lidocaine and a steroid. If it helps but not for long enough then I could consider PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma) which is a little more experimental but there is evidence for it in the neck. Has anyone had PRP? Has it helped their neck or head?!

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