Severe RLS solved for me

Posted by zombiewoof @zombiewoof, Feb 8 11:45am

The following is a true story without embellishment or exaggeration.

I’ve had RLS for 35 years now. It got worse over time and is very severe now at the age 69. It is the worst RLS symptoms my sleep doctor has seen being in the top 1% of severity from here experience.

In the years preceding finding my current sleep doctor I was getting three to four hours of sleep a night. I tried every RLS medication out there (with one exception explained below). Gabapetine and Requip were zero percent effective. OTC pain meds like aspirin, acetaminophen and ibuprofen did nothing. Tylenol PM and others like this wired my eyes open. High doses of magnesium also did nothing. I was tested for low iron. This was normal but I took iron supplements just the same. I then found a doctor who prescribed Pramipexole. I started out at .375 mg and got enough relief to sleep about six hours per night for four or five nights a week. What a relief to get some restful sleep after years of struggle and misery. I shelved my plans for moving to Oregon for doctor assisted suicide. Yes, it was honestly that bad for me.

Over the next years the Pramipexole worked well but I had to gradually increase the dosage as augmentation set in Eventually I was up to 1 mg/day (taking eight .125 mg tablets) but the effectiveness had decreased significantly. Taking even higher doses was having negative side effects with no RLS reduction benefits. At this point I was back to four hours of restless sleep per night. I stated augmenting the Pramipexole with several ounces of alcohol at around midnight to 1AM just so I could pass out and get some sleep. This continued on for about another year with varying effectiveness. The trajectory for this regime was bad, obviously not a good long term solution. Completely sleep deprived, drinking on a regular basis, legs thrashing when I laid down, pacing endlessly most of the night to get relief, only to fall into a fitful sleep at two, three or four o’clock in the morning, sometimes seeing the sun rise before collapsing into exhaustion. Emotionally I was a wreck, would break out crying in despair, no sex life or relationship with my wife. I started once again planning my move to Oregon for physician assisted suicide. I could no longer live like this.

Enter the solution for me. Miraculously I found a sleep doctor/specialist who dedicates her professional life to this affliction. During my initial visit she took an hour and a half listening to my RLS journey and asking probative questions. As noted above I had tried everything and I was at the end of my rope. Doing due diligence she ordered the normal tests, a sleep study (which was an abysmal failure since I didn’t sleep) and started me on the normal medication regimen (Requip, Pramepexole, Gabapentin, magnesium etc., etc..) all to verify that nothing worked. Finally, as the medications of last resort, she prescribed Neupro 2mg/24 hour patch, 5 mg methadone and 300 mg of Gabapentin daily. The patch stays on for 24 hours and the Methadone and Gabapentin are taken after dinner. After some trial and error the dosages were increased to 3mg patch, 10mg Methadone, 600 mg Gabapentin and daily magnesium citrate. The results were nothing short of miraculous. In my 35 years of having this horrible affliction I’ve never this much relief from RLS. Things are still not perfect I can finally lead a near normal life and get a decent nights sleep most nights. Thank god I found this doctor or I would not be here today.

Important things that are now part of my regimen and contribute to the effectiveness of the drug protocol.
1. I exercise on a daily basis. I lost 10% of my body weight through diet and exercise bringing my weight down into the normal range for my height and physical build. This helped.
2. I have dinner early and do not over eat. Not having a full stomach at bedtime makes a difference.
3. I take powdered fiber with lots of water at breakfast and dinner to control the constipation from the Methadone.

I hope this post and my contribution here can help someone else to get relief from this horrible affliction.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Sleep Health Support Group.

After many years of RLS, the only medication that gives me
some relief is pramipexole 0.50 mg (prescription).

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@missjb

My story is no doubt a variation of the story of everyone suffering from really bad RLS. I identified with zombiewolf's joking/serious mention of traveling to Oregon (where assisted suicide is available) to combat RLS...

I was never suicidal, but one night, just before crawling into bed, the realization hit me that being dead would have been an improvement over the life I was living. That was a scary moment. I cried uncontrollably that night and almost nonstop all the next day. I was so sleep-deprived, miserable and broken. I had insomnia and was anxious about bedtime and had enormous difficulty falling asleep.

Then, I decided I had to find a way out of all the misery---which ultimately I did.

I had thought (for 13 years) that I had a weird muscular problem that strangely only occurred at night. I tried all sorts of non-prescription remedies, physical therapy, and the only thing semi-effective was a heavy duty massager, which I still continue to use (when symptoms strike---the massager is always next to my bed).

I had never considered RLS as causative because my symptoms felt like pain, instead of jerkiness--which is the common description one reads. I've since learned that RLS symptoms can vary quite a bit from person to person.

When I was finally diagnosed, it all made sense. My symptoms only occur when I'm asleep, or drowsy, or sleepy. They stop within a couple minutes, when I get up and walk.

Finding someone to treat me effectively took me another three years.

Fortunately, as soon as I was diagnosed I started to google and found Dr Early's webpage (he's at Johns Hopkins) and read about augmentation. So, when my primary doctor tried to prescribe a dopamine agonist, I refused and we settled on giving gabapentin a try. ...It didn't help, at all. Nor did taking iron supplements pills.

Long story short, pregabalin didn't help either. Nor did an IV iron infusion.

But, finally, buprenorphine has. I take it in the form of Suboxone. Like methadone, Suboxone is primarily used to treat addiction, but it has less side effects than methadone. And, Suboxone is less expensive than a prescription for buprenorphine alone (as my wise sleep neurologist, an expert in treating RLS knows).

(Like slkanowitz I also learned through this doctor which medications made RLS symptoms worse. You need someone well-versed in RLS treatment to have this kind of expert level information, which is critical).

Words can't describe what it means to have my life back. Miraculous comes to mind. I'm not cured. I still have episodes of symptoms, but they are less severe, less frequent, and now tolerable.

My advice to anyone with severe RLS is to first educate yourself about it. Standard treatment, for a long, long time, has been the dopamine agonist drugs which cause augmentation. Most doctors (like my primary) still believe this is appropriate to prescribe, although it is not.

The newest Guidelines for treatment of RLS are on the internet (authored by Winkleman--who practices in at Mass General in Boston-- and Berkowski--who treats via telemedicine in Michigan, Ohio and Florida). Reading these guidelines is a good place to start.

There is a Foundation for RLS and their website has bios of a number of RLS specialists, who serve on their board. My doctor is on the board and has been incredibly helpful, always understanding and supportive. Because RLS can be so awful, it's something that needs to be well-treated and because augmentation means symptoms get much worse, you don't want to be treated incorrectly. This is a situation where going to an expert--instead of settling for the most convenient physician---will pay off.

There is a company in California called Noctrix which has invented a device that is a pair of bands, worn on each leg just below the knee and delivers a "signal" that the brain (where RLS starts) interprets as leg movements--so that RLS symptoms are turned off before they start. This is a research backed therapy that the FDA has approved and my insurance will cover. Soon I will add this device as an additional treatment tool so my RLS will be as well-managed as possible. I mention this because it could be helpful to those who have augmented form of RSL and need all the help they can get. Google their website. It's a small start up company, headed by graduates of Stanford, Berkeley and Princeton (which impresses me). Right now, the device isn't available in every state, because they are still building a nation-wide support team. You have to ask if it is available where you live.

I hope anyone reading this posting, who suffers from RLS, can get effective treatment much sooner than I was able to. I hope your suffering will end soon.

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Thank you for this post. I learn something new every day. I have never used Suboxone but will discuss this with my sleep doctor at my next appointment. I’ve tried everything over the years to get this horrible affliction under control. Nuepro 3 mg/24 hr patch (generic name is Rotigitine) and 10 mg Methadone daily is the only thing allowing me to have some semblance of a normal life. So far no augmentation with Neupro after four years. I hate the side effects of methadone and hope Suboxone can be a substitute. Even with my current medications sleep is difficult. I resort to using Zolpidem 10 mg several times a week in order to get a good nights sleep. The problem with taking Zolpidem is my RLS needs to be under control first. A bad RLS attack coupled with 10 mg Zolpidem makes for some bizarre behavior as I pace around the house all night.

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@rjjb

After many years of RLS, the only medication that gives me
some relief is pramipexole 0.50 mg (prescription).

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Pramipexole work for years for me until the augmentation became so severe I had to take large doses while providing virtually no RLS relief. The side effect to the large dosages was some akin to a stiff muscle syndrome. I am glad it still works for you. I hope this continues without the augmentation I experienced.

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@missjb

My story is no doubt a variation of the story of everyone suffering from really bad RLS. I identified with zombiewolf's joking/serious mention of traveling to Oregon (where assisted suicide is available) to combat RLS...

I was never suicidal, but one night, just before crawling into bed, the realization hit me that being dead would have been an improvement over the life I was living. That was a scary moment. I cried uncontrollably that night and almost nonstop all the next day. I was so sleep-deprived, miserable and broken. I had insomnia and was anxious about bedtime and had enormous difficulty falling asleep.

Then, I decided I had to find a way out of all the misery---which ultimately I did.

I had thought (for 13 years) that I had a weird muscular problem that strangely only occurred at night. I tried all sorts of non-prescription remedies, physical therapy, and the only thing semi-effective was a heavy duty massager, which I still continue to use (when symptoms strike---the massager is always next to my bed).

I had never considered RLS as causative because my symptoms felt like pain, instead of jerkiness--which is the common description one reads. I've since learned that RLS symptoms can vary quite a bit from person to person.

When I was finally diagnosed, it all made sense. My symptoms only occur when I'm asleep, or drowsy, or sleepy. They stop within a couple minutes, when I get up and walk.

Finding someone to treat me effectively took me another three years.

Fortunately, as soon as I was diagnosed I started to google and found Dr Early's webpage (he's at Johns Hopkins) and read about augmentation. So, when my primary doctor tried to prescribe a dopamine agonist, I refused and we settled on giving gabapentin a try. ...It didn't help, at all. Nor did taking iron supplements pills.

Long story short, pregabalin didn't help either. Nor did an IV iron infusion.

But, finally, buprenorphine has. I take it in the form of Suboxone. Like methadone, Suboxone is primarily used to treat addiction, but it has less side effects than methadone. And, Suboxone is less expensive than a prescription for buprenorphine alone (as my wise sleep neurologist, an expert in treating RLS knows).

(Like slkanowitz I also learned through this doctor which medications made RLS symptoms worse. You need someone well-versed in RLS treatment to have this kind of expert level information, which is critical).

Words can't describe what it means to have my life back. Miraculous comes to mind. I'm not cured. I still have episodes of symptoms, but they are less severe, less frequent, and now tolerable.

My advice to anyone with severe RLS is to first educate yourself about it. Standard treatment, for a long, long time, has been the dopamine agonist drugs which cause augmentation. Most doctors (like my primary) still believe this is appropriate to prescribe, although it is not.

The newest Guidelines for treatment of RLS are on the internet (authored by Winkleman--who practices in at Mass General in Boston-- and Berkowski--who treats via telemedicine in Michigan, Ohio and Florida). Reading these guidelines is a good place to start.

There is a Foundation for RLS and their website has bios of a number of RLS specialists, who serve on their board. My doctor is on the board and has been incredibly helpful, always understanding and supportive. Because RLS can be so awful, it's something that needs to be well-treated and because augmentation means symptoms get much worse, you don't want to be treated incorrectly. This is a situation where going to an expert--instead of settling for the most convenient physician---will pay off.

There is a company in California called Noctrix which has invented a device that is a pair of bands, worn on each leg just below the knee and delivers a "signal" that the brain (where RLS starts) interprets as leg movements--so that RLS symptoms are turned off before they start. This is a research backed therapy that the FDA has approved and my insurance will cover. Soon I will add this device as an additional treatment tool so my RLS will be as well-managed as possible. I mention this because it could be helpful to those who have augmented form of RSL and need all the help they can get. Google their website. It's a small start up company, headed by graduates of Stanford, Berkeley and Princeton (which impresses me). Right now, the device isn't available in every state, because they are still building a nation-wide support team. You have to ask if it is available where you live.

I hope anyone reading this posting, who suffers from RLS, can get effective treatment much sooner than I was able to. I hope your suffering will end soon.

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Thank you for your reply and experience down this terrible road to find the treatment you needed to combat RLS.
I have written in this forum about RLS, along with the many medications, doctors, treatments, in the past few years. I too have suffered from RLS for over 35 years (one doctor mentioned it was brought on by pregnancy when I was 33) yet it wasn't the type of creepy anxious feeling to move your legs; mine was a un-volunteer response when laying still at night, or sitting for a time (car, theatre) and my leg would kick, and nothing appeared to calm (at times both legs) down. I tried all the many prescriptions, iron infusion, just as you have, and was treated with methadone from a neurologist at the Barrow Institute in Phoenix. I couldn't handle the panic attacks, along with a tragedy in our family, that had me crying in an uncontrollable state. I then finally received a referral at Mayo and saw a sleep specialist, who after listening to me for one hour, she proclaimed I had Periodic Limb Movement Disorder. I was beyond overjoyed to hear her diagnosis, as I knew I had it, yet all the doctors told me it was RLS. She began me on the buprenorphine, sublime, as you are prescribed. I began with 1 mg, and have tapered down to .66 mg nightly. What a difference, and I am not waking up and staying awake during the night for hours. I continue to schedule appointments with her every six months, to review how my condition is.
Augmentation is hell, and to take a "drug holiday" is sure hell, as the Barrow doctor had me do with a drug he prescribed, pramipexole. That drug is the worst and should be banned. No one should use that. The Drug Holiday took weeks to finally get my sleep back, of which then the methadone with another doctor, was prescribed. I ended my relationship with him, saw another doctor with another group, of which I was prescribed methadone once again. Hell all over again.
In short, the buprenorphine has allowed our condition to remain calm at night, and many of the viewers need to look into it. I appreciate your endorsement, and also reading your experiences.

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@vikkitennis

Thank you for your reply and experience down this terrible road to find the treatment you needed to combat RLS.
I have written in this forum about RLS, along with the many medications, doctors, treatments, in the past few years. I too have suffered from RLS for over 35 years (one doctor mentioned it was brought on by pregnancy when I was 33) yet it wasn't the type of creepy anxious feeling to move your legs; mine was a un-volunteer response when laying still at night, or sitting for a time (car, theatre) and my leg would kick, and nothing appeared to calm (at times both legs) down. I tried all the many prescriptions, iron infusion, just as you have, and was treated with methadone from a neurologist at the Barrow Institute in Phoenix. I couldn't handle the panic attacks, along with a tragedy in our family, that had me crying in an uncontrollable state. I then finally received a referral at Mayo and saw a sleep specialist, who after listening to me for one hour, she proclaimed I had Periodic Limb Movement Disorder. I was beyond overjoyed to hear her diagnosis, as I knew I had it, yet all the doctors told me it was RLS. She began me on the buprenorphine, sublime, as you are prescribed. I began with 1 mg, and have tapered down to .66 mg nightly. What a difference, and I am not waking up and staying awake during the night for hours. I continue to schedule appointments with her every six months, to review how my condition is.
Augmentation is hell, and to take a "drug holiday" is sure hell, as the Barrow doctor had me do with a drug he prescribed, pramipexole. That drug is the worst and should be banned. No one should use that. The Drug Holiday took weeks to finally get my sleep back, of which then the methadone with another doctor, was prescribed. I ended my relationship with him, saw another doctor with another group, of which I was prescribed methadone once again. Hell all over again.
In short, the buprenorphine has allowed our condition to remain calm at night, and many of the viewers need to look into it. I appreciate your endorsement, and also reading your experiences.

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Thank for your detailed reply, vikkitennis! Reading about your experiences goes straight to my heart! We have both suffered and survived. Moving on when a physician isn't helping---doesn't have the knowledge to help---is surely the path forward.

My prescribing physician, several months ago, made a list of the reasons buprenorphine is a better choice than methadone. I wish I had saved it so I could share. I'll ask if he can email it to me and if he does I will post it. BTW, I take it as a piece of "film" which dissolves under my tongue. I think you said you take in the form of a pill???

Last Friday, I picked up my Noctrix device (called Nidra) which gives a TOMAC physical treatment. My initial response seems positive but it's early days and I have just decreased the buprenorphine so I will continue to evaluate.

I think it is interesting that your Mayo doctor identified your problem as Periodic Limb Movement Disorder. Maybe, this could be a subset of RLS (or visa versa). Or just a different name for the same thing---which is some kind of brain misfiring. The fact there are multiple names for basically the same phenomenon shows it isn't a malady that is well understood, well defined, or well recognized.

My best to you! Thank you, again!

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@zombiewoof

Thank you for this post. I learn something new every day. I have never used Suboxone but will discuss this with my sleep doctor at my next appointment. I’ve tried everything over the years to get this horrible affliction under control. Nuepro 3 mg/24 hr patch (generic name is Rotigitine) and 10 mg Methadone daily is the only thing allowing me to have some semblance of a normal life. So far no augmentation with Neupro after four years. I hate the side effects of methadone and hope Suboxone can be a substitute. Even with my current medications sleep is difficult. I resort to using Zolpidem 10 mg several times a week in order to get a good nights sleep. The problem with taking Zolpidem is my RLS needs to be under control first. A bad RLS attack coupled with 10 mg Zolpidem makes for some bizarre behavior as I pace around the house all night.

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Hi Zombiewoof:

Suboxone is, like methadone, primarily used to treat addiction. It is made of buprenorphine (the part that helps restless leg) and nalox. The nalox mades it so someone with an addiction problem can't take a bunch of Suboxone all at once to get high, while it seems to have no effect when the Suboxone is taken as prescribed (like for me).

Suboxone comes as a rather small film. I'm prescribed just a part of the film and my (clever, dexterous) husband cuts it and places it in slots of my pill container (M-Tu-W etc). The size I take is teeny. Suboxone is absorbed under the tongue where it dissolves. Buprenorphine comes in a pill form (without the nalox), but (according to my doctor) is more expensive than when taken as Suboxone--why that is how he prescribes it.

Interestingly, for me, it doesn't take effect quickly. I go to bed three hours after taking it.

Realize it isn't the Suboxone that works. It's the buprenorphine in the Suboxone.

I really understand your sense of desperation. I stood on the very same ground. I'm sure I now have PTSD from it. Lack of sleep is torturous. Anyone subjected to this torture would become anxious and focused on getting effective treatment. I eventually developed insomnia--I remember one night only sleeping an hour and a half--which was the worse pain I ever experienced. I'm sure my brain caught on to the fact that sleep brought the RLS symptoms and refused to go to sleep to avoid them.

But, with effective treatment, I almost immediately started to fall asleep quickly and effortlessly (and like "normal" people) on a nightly basis. From total desperation to this---Yes, miraculous is what it felt like.

Not that every night is always perfect.

And anxiety does feed the RLS symptoms, so I try to do the things that make my bedtime less stressful. None of the "sleep hygiene" stuff ever made a difference (cold, dark room, with the sleep noise machine going all night etc etc). And, it was recommended that I not read in bed. Nonetheless, I do read a chapter or two, cosy in bed, because it relaxes me. I don't check the time when I shut my Kindle because I don't want to start counting "how many hours of sleep" if my RLS isn't bad and I have something to do the next morning--because that might make me anxious.

For me, I believe nothing was going to make the difference I needed until I was prescribed medication that was effective for me. I believe effective medication is the cornerstone for me. But, even this was not an overnight process. The more time on (what has been for me) the correct course, the more stable RLS management has become.

Zombiewoof: don't give up! I am pulling for you!

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The forum won't let me include a website URL (because it might be spam), so I am recopying the buprenorphine vs methadone comparison chart. The author is Dr Joseph Andrew Berkowski of ReLACS Health (co-author of the current RLS Guidelines) and he gave permission to share with you all. (AKA "Dr Andy")

The title of this website is: Treatment of Restless Legs Syndrome (RLS) with Methadone Versus Buprenorphine: Who Wins? You can probably google it and read the entire article, if you are interested. The article speaks to his reasoning assigning "stars" to the two drugs and why he thinks buprenorphine is a better drug to prescribe.

I think this is valuable information, but not everyone reacts exactly the same to any particular medication. This is why it is so important to have a doctor who can work with us and tinker, if need be. I never had any improvement from gabapentin or pregabalin, but that is where prescriptions seem to begin and maybe for others these drugs work well.

I can't say buprenorphine is the answer for everyone, but it sure has turned my life around.

You can see from the chart that buprenorphine comes out better than methadone in a number of critical categories. In terms of "risk of death" I believe this speaks to an overdose (such as a grandchild taking unsecured medications). It is, therefore, safer to have buprenorphine around the house than methadone. Although I am careful about where medications are kept, I also have grandchildren and knowing buprenorphine is less likely to cause a lethal overdose is something I appreciate. Also, methadone has more potential to reduce respiration, a potentially serious side effect for some people.

Both drugs can be effective for treating RLS. And, there are ways that methadone beats buprenorphine.

(more stars are better---fewer stars are worse)

For RLS

buprenorphine methadone

risk of death. ***** **
effect on breathing **** *
effectiveness for RLS ***** *****
ease of use ** *****
irregular heart rhythm **** **
cost ** *****
availability & accessibility *** ***
triggers opioid withdrawal ** *****
chemical dependency **** **
constipation *** *
lack of euphoria ***** ***
pronunciation * *****

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@missjb

The forum won't let me include a website URL (because it might be spam), so I am recopying the buprenorphine vs methadone comparison chart. The author is Dr Joseph Andrew Berkowski of ReLACS Health (co-author of the current RLS Guidelines) and he gave permission to share with you all. (AKA "Dr Andy")

The title of this website is: Treatment of Restless Legs Syndrome (RLS) with Methadone Versus Buprenorphine: Who Wins? You can probably google it and read the entire article, if you are interested. The article speaks to his reasoning assigning "stars" to the two drugs and why he thinks buprenorphine is a better drug to prescribe.

I think this is valuable information, but not everyone reacts exactly the same to any particular medication. This is why it is so important to have a doctor who can work with us and tinker, if need be. I never had any improvement from gabapentin or pregabalin, but that is where prescriptions seem to begin and maybe for others these drugs work well.

I can't say buprenorphine is the answer for everyone, but it sure has turned my life around.

You can see from the chart that buprenorphine comes out better than methadone in a number of critical categories. In terms of "risk of death" I believe this speaks to an overdose (such as a grandchild taking unsecured medications). It is, therefore, safer to have buprenorphine around the house than methadone. Although I am careful about where medications are kept, I also have grandchildren and knowing buprenorphine is less likely to cause a lethal overdose is something I appreciate. Also, methadone has more potential to reduce respiration, a potentially serious side effect for some people.

Both drugs can be effective for treating RLS. And, there are ways that methadone beats buprenorphine.

(more stars are better---fewer stars are worse)

For RLS

buprenorphine methadone

risk of death. ***** **
effect on breathing **** *
effectiveness for RLS ***** *****
ease of use ** *****
irregular heart rhythm **** **
cost ** *****
availability & accessibility *** ***
triggers opioid withdrawal ** *****
chemical dependency **** **
constipation *** *
lack of euphoria ***** ***
pronunciation * *****

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The spacing of this "chart" was altered by the forum printing.

: ( The first set if stars is for buprenorphine and the second for methadone. There was a large space between, which the forum took away. I hope you all can still make sense of it. Risk of death 5 stars to buprenorphine and 2 stars to methadone. Pronunciation: 1 star to buprenorphine and 5 stars to methadone... Etc

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