Sleep Apnea

Posted by robertwills @robertwills, Apr 2 9:34am

Those that had or still have untreated Sleep Apnea if you didn't have to wake up at a certain time would you continue sleeping for hours? What makes you wake up and get out of bed then? How does the rst of your day feel? Is it good in anyway?

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Even though there is substantial variance about weight, age, genetics, phenotype, etc, when dealing with any one person's onset of sleep apnea (three types of sleep apnea), age does play a factor because, as we age, we gain weight and our health generally deteriorates due to aging mitochondria and other degradations too numerous to list here.
One degradation is kidney function, and that is as a result of the pituitary gland's lowering, again age related, of the production of ADH, or anti-diuretic hormone. When we're young, we don't need to get up to pee (unless on a bender or ill, or if we have kidney disease). As we age, and our ADH production drops, we have to void more, especially at night. This is probably the major reason why all older adults, whether apneic or not, have to awaken.
If your question is more intended to be, 'What is it about sleep apnea, or its treatment, that makes waking early a problem?', it again can be multiple things. Sleep in the aged generally sux as a rule, and sleep apnea left untreated makes is suck double. Pathological wakefulness can be a sleep disorder, it can be unresolved 'issues', it can be a cruddy mattress, pillow, sheets, sleeping clothes, too warm a room, too cold a room, drug effects, undiagnosed heart arrhythmias, GERD, pulmonary and tracheal defects or disorders, etc, etc, etc.

Honestly, having spent a lot of time on apnea fora, it's hard to tell how many people don't do well by CPAP therapy, or how they do without it if an authority sez they need it. Many complain of brain fog during the day, even when their morning reports show salutary numbers indicating good treatment on their machine's display. On the other hand, a great many start their treatment, it gets tweaked to improve it slightly, and they're off for the rest of their natural lives. I am one such person. I know of people who tried it, hard, for several months, and then gave up PAP therapy entirely. Or, they want to do it, but find in the morning that they ripped off their mask some time during the night. Well, it takes no brains to understand that thereafter they received no benefit, and may have continued their slide into really poor health.
In my own case, except for air blowing out my slack lips as I slept (meaning the pressures were poor), it has worked very well. I resorted to placing medical quality tape across my lips. It sounds draconian, but as an ex-soldier, you learn that you can learn, and do habitually, almost anything if the need is great.
Finally, some people can rise, void, think a bit, and fall back asleep. Almost all of us find that, the later it happens, the more unlikely it is that we'll return to sleep. Happens that way for me. This morning, after about five hours, I awakened and tried for an hour, but no joy.

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I am a sleep junkie. I always have been. Sleep was my friend; solving emotional (occasional mild downers) or physical (colds, flu, etc.) problems. My greatest pleasure was sleeping till my body told me to get up (Usually on weekends). If I woke groggy, I thought I just needed more sleep. Retired from work, I moved to a new place and was never able to get into a regular routine of my 3 miles per day (running in younger days and walking later on) that I did every morning --rain, dark, sleet, or snow. I started to have very tired mornings and difficulty getting up out of bed and what I called "Fuzzy Brain" during the day. Thinking there was something wrong with me, I looked for a medical problem. I have had a lot of tests. I was surprised to find that I have mild sleep apnea. But more than that, I realized that though I still skied in winter and hiked in summer, I was not getting the regular exercise I needed. So now I go (not every, but most) mornings for a 2.8 mile walk on the desert. Though I am trying to get used to the CPAP for the apnea, I thing the biggest contribution to feeling better is the regular exercise. The CPAP has rehabbed my sinuses. So I am grateful for that. It has pretty much cured what I call "My old lady drip" that used to require a constant supply of tissues. I am 81. I am now signed up for another test to see if the CPAP is curing the low oxygen levels I have during sleep. That is of concern as low oxygen puts a strain on the heart.

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What was the key point at which you determined sleep apnea was the culprit, as I think most of cpap stuff is a $ game... I feel that the places that do the testing have a self interest in selling the product. Pls help me understand or debunk my idea that cpap stuff isn't over prescribed. Sorry to put you on the spot, but I am new to the Mayo site. TY, in advance.

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From what I read online many people develop sleep apnea in their late-teens when the body is growing into full, with the tissues that block the airway during sleep. But they don't know it! They go for years or even decades and then finally something happens and they get a sleep study or in-home sleep study done,

Sleep apnea was not a common diagnosis up to about 2010. The symptoms, like daytime sleepiness, were treated as depression or something else. I believe today there maybe some over prescribing going on (like with everything) but on the whole I believe it's totally legitimate. Sleep apnea is a real and the medical professional, and dental profession, are now aware of it like never before and people are being treated and having their lives transformed.

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Sleep apnea is real. I use my cpap machine every night. On nights when I can’t-power outage, for a few days following a recent surgery- I wake breathless and with an aching chest/lungs. It changed my life.

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I have mild apnea. The big concern was my low oxygen scores. Oxygen is part of every functioning organ of the body being healthy. I have never been wedded to living long -- just living healthy. I have two personal friends who are avid users of their CPAP machines because they have made a difference in their perceived health. Plus a neighbor and friend of mine in SLC (had an MD and a PHD) was into sleep research at the University of Utah. He was not motivated by money or he wouldn't have been in my hood. My sleep doc has used his for 25 years. I think the popularity is low on using these as it is such a process to accustom oneself to the use. My next step is an overnight oxymeter. And, honestly, I don't know if it is the CPAP or returning to regular exercise is the answer, but through this whole process, I am improving. My fuzzy headedness has diminished though I am still more tired than I should be, but maybe age is finally catching up with me. As I stated above I enjoy my sleep and was good at it. Wearing this device has been disruptive, but I think I'm a believer.

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@ddinneb

What was the key point at which you determined sleep apnea was the culprit, as I think most of cpap stuff is a $ game... I feel that the places that do the testing have a self interest in selling the product. Pls help me understand or debunk my idea that cpap stuff isn't over prescribed. Sorry to put you on the spot, but I am new to the Mayo site. TY, in advance.

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CPAP is only a $$$ game when the patient is non-apneic/undiagnosed and wanting to part with their money, or diagnosed but given the wrong/more expensive equipment. People with a forma diagnosis, given at a sleep lab, will be advised to acquire PAP machinery if they have mild to severe apnea. Literally millions across the globe use the machines to good effect.
Again, it's only a numbers game if the patient is ignorant of their condition and don't follow a prescription for a bona fide need.

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@dalebout123

I have mild apnea. The big concern was my low oxygen scores. Oxygen is part of every functioning organ of the body being healthy. I have never been wedded to living long -- just living healthy. I have two personal friends who are avid users of their CPAP machines because they have made a difference in their perceived health. Plus a neighbor and friend of mine in SLC (had an MD and a PHD) was into sleep research at the University of Utah. He was not motivated by money or he wouldn't have been in my hood. My sleep doc has used his for 25 years. I think the popularity is low on using these as it is such a process to accustom oneself to the use. My next step is an overnight oxymeter. And, honestly, I don't know if it is the CPAP or returning to regular exercise is the answer, but through this whole process, I am improving. My fuzzy headedness has diminished though I am still more tired than I should be, but maybe age is finally catching up with me. As I stated above I enjoy my sleep and was good at it. Wearing this device has been disruptive, but I think I'm a believer.

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TY sounds like an honest assessment.

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