Oxaliplatin is no walk in the park, advice for CAPOX regimen?

Posted by chinoomee @chinoomee, Mar 7, 2024

Just had first infusion today.
Felt fine and now hours later everything hurts ( numbness, tingling, muscle aches, muscle spasms upon sneezing in my jaw, muscle spasms across my eyes/temple upon tear production and of course upon water being just slightly cooler than room temp) how did you guys manage?

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I hope your doctor will listen to you and closely monitor your side effects. I was told by my oncologist that Capox was the “easier” chemo tx, but I had all the symptoms - neuropathy, cold sensitivity, severe muscle contractions in jaw, hands and legs, dizziness, difficulty focusing eyes, and brain fog along with more typical chemo effects of extreme fatigue, nausea and constant diarrhea right away after the first treatment. I hadn’t heard of all the side effects before starting treatment but tried to track them so my oncologist would at least acknowledge that side effects can vary widely in different people and consider a dose adjustment if needed. Sending you lots of positive energy and support.

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I was on a Capox treatment for 8 cycles. I quit the Oxaliplatin after 4 cycles because the side effects were getting worse. With each treatment, it was taking longer for the side effects to go away. To enjoy any cold drink, I had to take a straw and drink it like a gerbal. And studies have shown that the benefits of 8 cycles vs 4 of Oxaliplatin is pretty low. I have mucinous adenocarcinoma, and this treatment wasn't effective for me and has spread. I worry about the neuropathy in my feet not restoring. Oxaliplatin is a harsh chemo. It bares contemplation whether a different chemo is a better alternative.

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My husband was on a 2 week cycle of FOLFOX with nivolumab, which includes oxaliplatin.

Starting with cycle 7 he started experiencing what he called labored breath: shortly after the infusions he would start breathing more rapidly than usual (30-35 breaths per minute). It would gradually slow down and was resolved before he went back to have the 5FU pump removed 2 days later. Oxygen was always in the high 90's and his lungs were clear. The episodes got a little longer each time.

After cycle 9 two infusions were canceled because of other adverse effects. When he resumed with cycle 10 after the 6 week break, the shortness of breath symptom continued, this time starting before we left the infusion center.

With cycle 11 the shortness of breath started with about 10 minutes still left in the oxaliplatin infusion. It quickly developed into life threatening anaphylaxic shock, with falling blood pressure that required emergency use of vasopressers. He survived and was released from the hospital after a week. But we expect there would have been a different outcome if he had not received an immediate emergency response.

I was very frustrated at the response to the shortness of breath symptom. The drs kept postulating that it was more generalized (do you feel short of breath whenever you exert yourself) or maybe from the nivolumab. However there was a very specific timing pattern that tied it to the chemo - likely the oxaliplatin, tho possibly the 5FU. Nivolumab was not the source since in cycle 8 the dr originally withheld it, and then gave the infusion 2 days later when my husband went back to get the pump removed. The whole breathing episode occurred after the initial infusions, resolved before they even started nivolumab, and did not occur after the separate nivolumab infusion.

This is a very long way of saying you should keep pushing when you feel the drs are not responding adequately to issues you identify.

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I had my first infusion through IV and towards the end, it leaked through the vein. My arm was so painful for a week. I got a port which helped. I had the same jaw tightness and extreme fatigue and nausea. The next infusion they added Emend which helped. I also had a Benadryl IV.
I drank ice water during my infusions and held my hands on a cold cup. That stopped the glass in my throat feeling and brought it down to just a sore throat. I still had jaw tightness
I only made it through two cycles and had to stop because of side effects (diarrhea).
Good luck and try to mentally visualize cancer cells dying

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I had FOLFOX (oxaliplatin and 5-FU) for an atypical colon cancer dx. The protocol was 12 rounds over 6 month period—so chemo infusion every other week. I had a port placed in my chest. I have tiny veins and as much as I hate the port (it’s not really that bad or noticeable), it makes lab work easier on me and health care person/s.
First, best advice: GET HYDRATED AND STAY HYDRATED, before and after chemo!!! Room temp water is your friend.
My treatment worked like this: Day of - IV pre-chemo meds: Emend, ondonsetron (both for anti-nausea/anti-vomiting) and a steroid (can’t remember name—but it prevents allergic reaction. Does not come with same drowsiness as Benadryl, sort of delayed fatigue—and did not cause “moon face.”). Make sure you’re getting pre-chemo anti-nausea meds and also a prescription of same to have at home. I did have nausea, but did not get “the pukes.” Take the medicine!
During entire 6 months of chemo, I was unable to tolerate ANYTHING cold or even chilled —water, smoothies, yogurt, etc. That part of treatment was really (really) frustrating.
I don’t know if this is part of your treatment but here goes: After oxaliplatin infusion came the 5-FU. A long IV tube was inserted into my port which was attached to a pump that infused 5-FU for 48 hours. The pump is about the size of a large transistor radio. I wore the pump in a fanny pack because the shoulder strap the pump came with aggravated my neck and shoulders. The pump was somewhat annoying to wear but tolerable. I’d go back to clinic on “day 3” to return/remove pump.
My oncologist said the 48-hour pump treatment has less toxicity and side effects, and is more easily monitored—rather than oral pills of same.
The first several rounds weren’t too bad until day 3 and then I’d totally crash. I called it “chemo-flu.” Slammed with fatigue, queasiness, maybe diarrhea; just felt like c-r-a-p. I was vigilant about taking anti-nausea meds. Take them before nausea sets in! Ondonsetron (Zofran) is very constipating—but that offset some of diarrhea side effect.
I ate a very restricted, bland, light diet. Advised to eat nothing uncooked or raw. Nothing sounded good and my appetite (and mood) were very changeable. Eggs, toast, chicken soup; broth—ew; crackers pretzels, white rice, room temp apple sauce—ew), Memorial Sloan Kettering has a great website with a ton of info—including diet and recipe recommendations. As advised, tried to drink as much water as possible but it was difficult; felt lousy on a queasy stomach. The nurses especially encouraged hydration, so do best you can. Strangely, craved and was able to tolerate Trader Joe’s almond or peanut butter-filled pretzels. My oncologist said not to worry about balanced diet choices during chemo treatment—more important to get calories any way you can take them. (And he loves the TJ’s pretzels as a good snack choice!) The food thing messed with my head because I’ve always really been into healthy diet and cooking—but that had to be put on hold. Try to remember: this is temporary!
During my week off of chemo, one day I’d go to the clinic and get IV hydration. Anecdotally this supposedly helps reduce side effects. I can’t say it actually helped because can’t compare to not having IV hydration during treatment—but I did it regularly. Ask your team?
By round 4: mild but constant neuropathy in hands and feet; extreme fatigue; no appetite; cold sensitivity (refrigerator, freezer, AC). Would be totally knocked out, body and soul. I had to take a break at round 6 because my CBC/platelet count was too low. A welcome break with 2 weeks off of needed recovery time. By round 7, I was pretty much incapacitated with exhaustion, malaise, low grade temps. It would lift after maybe 10 days post chemo—and then start all over again. I am self-employed, and honestly, couldn’t work after maybe round 3-4. My brain was in a fog; my gut felt strip mined and I was constantly beyond exhausted. I felt like I couldn’t rely on myself for my clients. All of this was emotionally and financially difficult. I do have a spouse who is employed, so we relied on one income. Also, was/am fortunate to have a therapist who specializes in dealing with cancer, grief and trauma—so met with her by zoom when possible. I joined a zoom cancer support group but did not find it helpful. It actually scared me—but everyone is different, so if you feel it may help, check it out.
FOLFOX protocol is cumulative—so at least for me it definitely got harder. With each round, I always hoped it wouldn’t be so bad—and for you, I hope it doesn’t—but just know that changes happen and maybe plan ahead for what works or doesn’t. Neuropathy worsened: my fingertips felt numb/tingling—like asleep but wouldn’t wake up. The soles of my feet felt numb and like I was walking on marshmallows. Not painful, but annoying and disruptive.
I was advised to keep active. (Hah!) And I used to be… but at best, I’d spend some time gardening (I live in a warm climate) and try to go for a 10 minute walk every day (maybe 20 minutes at best). In hindsight sight, wish I’d pushed through with more activity. Recently read scientific data that shows exercise does have an impact on outcome.
Oh, and this: my hair REALLY thinned. I’ve been going “blond with age” and had very highlighted, always thick hair that was my favorite “accessory.” With chemo, I’d find hair everywhere. Dreaded brushing, washing it. I stopped using a blow dryer. No chemicals or heat! I feel fortunate that I didn’t have to shave my head—there are worse things—but it was still upsetting. Your hair will grow back! (My friend told me to look online for hair “toppers” which I knew nothing about. If it matters to you, it’s worth checking out for thinning and hair loss.)

I honestly don’t know how I made it through—but I did—and you wil too. It feels like forever and like you’ve lost control of—well, everything—but you will get through it. Again, it’s temporary.

I feel like one of the MOST important issues is to communicate with your care team. Even the most minor complaint needs to be addressed. It’s okay to complain—you’re having chemo!—and that’s what they’re there for. You have to advocate for yourself and if you can’t, please find someone who can. Your place of treatment will have resources to help you.
ALSO: I kept a small notebook and pretty much every day wrote down descriptions of how I was feeling—physically and emotionally. It really helped to have a record of everything. Write down questions that pop into your head so you can address them before, during or after each treatment.
I know this is a lot—but I hope even a tiny bit of it helps. Again, it’s hard, it sucks—but it’s temporary! I wish you the absolute best outcome.

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I'd like to know more about your diagnosis.... For one thing 6 month FOLFOX is being used less and less, research is determining that 3 months is as effective and for many patients post surgery chemo has no improve survival, over no chemo at all. Secondly I think your experience is in the minority and I'd hate to think that patients will read this and be frightened. For example my 3 month chemo was really uneventful except for very slight neuropathy and I think one instance of diarrhea. Of course everyone's different!

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@kittycomehome

I had FOLFOX (oxaliplatin and 5-FU) for an atypical colon cancer dx. The protocol was 12 rounds over 6 month period—so chemo infusion every other week. I had a port placed in my chest. I have tiny veins and as much as I hate the port (it’s not really that bad or noticeable), it makes lab work easier on me and health care person/s.
First, best advice: GET HYDRATED AND STAY HYDRATED, before and after chemo!!! Room temp water is your friend.
My treatment worked like this: Day of - IV pre-chemo meds: Emend, ondonsetron (both for anti-nausea/anti-vomiting) and a steroid (can’t remember name—but it prevents allergic reaction. Does not come with same drowsiness as Benadryl, sort of delayed fatigue—and did not cause “moon face.”). Make sure you’re getting pre-chemo anti-nausea meds and also a prescription of same to have at home. I did have nausea, but did not get “the pukes.” Take the medicine!
During entire 6 months of chemo, I was unable to tolerate ANYTHING cold or even chilled —water, smoothies, yogurt, etc. That part of treatment was really (really) frustrating.
I don’t know if this is part of your treatment but here goes: After oxaliplatin infusion came the 5-FU. A long IV tube was inserted into my port which was attached to a pump that infused 5-FU for 48 hours. The pump is about the size of a large transistor radio. I wore the pump in a fanny pack because the shoulder strap the pump came with aggravated my neck and shoulders. The pump was somewhat annoying to wear but tolerable. I’d go back to clinic on “day 3” to return/remove pump.
My oncologist said the 48-hour pump treatment has less toxicity and side effects, and is more easily monitored—rather than oral pills of same.
The first several rounds weren’t too bad until day 3 and then I’d totally crash. I called it “chemo-flu.” Slammed with fatigue, queasiness, maybe diarrhea; just felt like c-r-a-p. I was vigilant about taking anti-nausea meds. Take them before nausea sets in! Ondonsetron (Zofran) is very constipating—but that offset some of diarrhea side effect.
I ate a very restricted, bland, light diet. Advised to eat nothing uncooked or raw. Nothing sounded good and my appetite (and mood) were very changeable. Eggs, toast, chicken soup; broth—ew; crackers pretzels, white rice, room temp apple sauce—ew), Memorial Sloan Kettering has a great website with a ton of info—including diet and recipe recommendations. As advised, tried to drink as much water as possible but it was difficult; felt lousy on a queasy stomach. The nurses especially encouraged hydration, so do best you can. Strangely, craved and was able to tolerate Trader Joe’s almond or peanut butter-filled pretzels. My oncologist said not to worry about balanced diet choices during chemo treatment—more important to get calories any way you can take them. (And he loves the TJ’s pretzels as a good snack choice!) The food thing messed with my head because I’ve always really been into healthy diet and cooking—but that had to be put on hold. Try to remember: this is temporary!
During my week off of chemo, one day I’d go to the clinic and get IV hydration. Anecdotally this supposedly helps reduce side effects. I can’t say it actually helped because can’t compare to not having IV hydration during treatment—but I did it regularly. Ask your team?
By round 4: mild but constant neuropathy in hands and feet; extreme fatigue; no appetite; cold sensitivity (refrigerator, freezer, AC). Would be totally knocked out, body and soul. I had to take a break at round 6 because my CBC/platelet count was too low. A welcome break with 2 weeks off of needed recovery time. By round 7, I was pretty much incapacitated with exhaustion, malaise, low grade temps. It would lift after maybe 10 days post chemo—and then start all over again. I am self-employed, and honestly, couldn’t work after maybe round 3-4. My brain was in a fog; my gut felt strip mined and I was constantly beyond exhausted. I felt like I couldn’t rely on myself for my clients. All of this was emotionally and financially difficult. I do have a spouse who is employed, so we relied on one income. Also, was/am fortunate to have a therapist who specializes in dealing with cancer, grief and trauma—so met with her by zoom when possible. I joined a zoom cancer support group but did not find it helpful. It actually scared me—but everyone is different, so if you feel it may help, check it out.
FOLFOX protocol is cumulative—so at least for me it definitely got harder. With each round, I always hoped it wouldn’t be so bad—and for you, I hope it doesn’t—but just know that changes happen and maybe plan ahead for what works or doesn’t. Neuropathy worsened: my fingertips felt numb/tingling—like asleep but wouldn’t wake up. The soles of my feet felt numb and like I was walking on marshmallows. Not painful, but annoying and disruptive.
I was advised to keep active. (Hah!) And I used to be… but at best, I’d spend some time gardening (I live in a warm climate) and try to go for a 10 minute walk every day (maybe 20 minutes at best). In hindsight sight, wish I’d pushed through with more activity. Recently read scientific data that shows exercise does have an impact on outcome.
Oh, and this: my hair REALLY thinned. I’ve been going “blond with age” and had very highlighted, always thick hair that was my favorite “accessory.” With chemo, I’d find hair everywhere. Dreaded brushing, washing it. I stopped using a blow dryer. No chemicals or heat! I feel fortunate that I didn’t have to shave my head—there are worse things—but it was still upsetting. Your hair will grow back! (My friend told me to look online for hair “toppers” which I knew nothing about. If it matters to you, it’s worth checking out for thinning and hair loss.)

I honestly don’t know how I made it through—but I did—and you wil too. It feels like forever and like you’ve lost control of—well, everything—but you will get through it. Again, it’s temporary.

I feel like one of the MOST important issues is to communicate with your care team. Even the most minor complaint needs to be addressed. It’s okay to complain—you’re having chemo!—and that’s what they’re there for. You have to advocate for yourself and if you can’t, please find someone who can. Your place of treatment will have resources to help you.
ALSO: I kept a small notebook and pretty much every day wrote down descriptions of how I was feeling—physically and emotionally. It really helped to have a record of everything. Write down questions that pop into your head so you can address them before, during or after each treatment.
I know this is a lot—but I hope even a tiny bit of it helps. Again, it’s hard, it sucks—but it’s temporary! I wish you the absolute best outcome.

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Could not take that combo I tried and after 2 rounds had to stop It made bp drop so low I’d drop to floor Didn’t take anything for 1 and half year but ended up with two more surgeries in that time I know take xeloda and it has been working So hopefully it continues to

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@roywalton

I'd like to know more about your diagnosis.... For one thing 6 month FOLFOX is being used less and less, research is determining that 3 months is as effective and for many patients post surgery chemo has no improve survival, over no chemo at all. Secondly I think your experience is in the minority and I'd hate to think that patients will read this and be frightened. For example my 3 month chemo was really uneventful except for very slight neuropathy and I think one instance of diarrhea. Of course everyone's different!

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Yes everyone reacts differently I could not take My body couldn’t handle

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@kittycomehome

I had FOLFOX (oxaliplatin and 5-FU) for an atypical colon cancer dx. The protocol was 12 rounds over 6 month period—so chemo infusion every other week. I had a port placed in my chest. I have tiny veins and as much as I hate the port (it’s not really that bad or noticeable), it makes lab work easier on me and health care person/s.
First, best advice: GET HYDRATED AND STAY HYDRATED, before and after chemo!!! Room temp water is your friend.
My treatment worked like this: Day of - IV pre-chemo meds: Emend, ondonsetron (both for anti-nausea/anti-vomiting) and a steroid (can’t remember name—but it prevents allergic reaction. Does not come with same drowsiness as Benadryl, sort of delayed fatigue—and did not cause “moon face.”). Make sure you’re getting pre-chemo anti-nausea meds and also a prescription of same to have at home. I did have nausea, but did not get “the pukes.” Take the medicine!
During entire 6 months of chemo, I was unable to tolerate ANYTHING cold or even chilled —water, smoothies, yogurt, etc. That part of treatment was really (really) frustrating.
I don’t know if this is part of your treatment but here goes: After oxaliplatin infusion came the 5-FU. A long IV tube was inserted into my port which was attached to a pump that infused 5-FU for 48 hours. The pump is about the size of a large transistor radio. I wore the pump in a fanny pack because the shoulder strap the pump came with aggravated my neck and shoulders. The pump was somewhat annoying to wear but tolerable. I’d go back to clinic on “day 3” to return/remove pump.
My oncologist said the 48-hour pump treatment has less toxicity and side effects, and is more easily monitored—rather than oral pills of same.
The first several rounds weren’t too bad until day 3 and then I’d totally crash. I called it “chemo-flu.” Slammed with fatigue, queasiness, maybe diarrhea; just felt like c-r-a-p. I was vigilant about taking anti-nausea meds. Take them before nausea sets in! Ondonsetron (Zofran) is very constipating—but that offset some of diarrhea side effect.
I ate a very restricted, bland, light diet. Advised to eat nothing uncooked or raw. Nothing sounded good and my appetite (and mood) were very changeable. Eggs, toast, chicken soup; broth—ew; crackers pretzels, white rice, room temp apple sauce—ew), Memorial Sloan Kettering has a great website with a ton of info—including diet and recipe recommendations. As advised, tried to drink as much water as possible but it was difficult; felt lousy on a queasy stomach. The nurses especially encouraged hydration, so do best you can. Strangely, craved and was able to tolerate Trader Joe’s almond or peanut butter-filled pretzels. My oncologist said not to worry about balanced diet choices during chemo treatment—more important to get calories any way you can take them. (And he loves the TJ’s pretzels as a good snack choice!) The food thing messed with my head because I’ve always really been into healthy diet and cooking—but that had to be put on hold. Try to remember: this is temporary!
During my week off of chemo, one day I’d go to the clinic and get IV hydration. Anecdotally this supposedly helps reduce side effects. I can’t say it actually helped because can’t compare to not having IV hydration during treatment—but I did it regularly. Ask your team?
By round 4: mild but constant neuropathy in hands and feet; extreme fatigue; no appetite; cold sensitivity (refrigerator, freezer, AC). Would be totally knocked out, body and soul. I had to take a break at round 6 because my CBC/platelet count was too low. A welcome break with 2 weeks off of needed recovery time. By round 7, I was pretty much incapacitated with exhaustion, malaise, low grade temps. It would lift after maybe 10 days post chemo—and then start all over again. I am self-employed, and honestly, couldn’t work after maybe round 3-4. My brain was in a fog; my gut felt strip mined and I was constantly beyond exhausted. I felt like I couldn’t rely on myself for my clients. All of this was emotionally and financially difficult. I do have a spouse who is employed, so we relied on one income. Also, was/am fortunate to have a therapist who specializes in dealing with cancer, grief and trauma—so met with her by zoom when possible. I joined a zoom cancer support group but did not find it helpful. It actually scared me—but everyone is different, so if you feel it may help, check it out.
FOLFOX protocol is cumulative—so at least for me it definitely got harder. With each round, I always hoped it wouldn’t be so bad—and for you, I hope it doesn’t—but just know that changes happen and maybe plan ahead for what works or doesn’t. Neuropathy worsened: my fingertips felt numb/tingling—like asleep but wouldn’t wake up. The soles of my feet felt numb and like I was walking on marshmallows. Not painful, but annoying and disruptive.
I was advised to keep active. (Hah!) And I used to be… but at best, I’d spend some time gardening (I live in a warm climate) and try to go for a 10 minute walk every day (maybe 20 minutes at best). In hindsight sight, wish I’d pushed through with more activity. Recently read scientific data that shows exercise does have an impact on outcome.
Oh, and this: my hair REALLY thinned. I’ve been going “blond with age” and had very highlighted, always thick hair that was my favorite “accessory.” With chemo, I’d find hair everywhere. Dreaded brushing, washing it. I stopped using a blow dryer. No chemicals or heat! I feel fortunate that I didn’t have to shave my head—there are worse things—but it was still upsetting. Your hair will grow back! (My friend told me to look online for hair “toppers” which I knew nothing about. If it matters to you, it’s worth checking out for thinning and hair loss.)

I honestly don’t know how I made it through—but I did—and you wil too. It feels like forever and like you’ve lost control of—well, everything—but you will get through it. Again, it’s temporary.

I feel like one of the MOST important issues is to communicate with your care team. Even the most minor complaint needs to be addressed. It’s okay to complain—you’re having chemo!—and that’s what they’re there for. You have to advocate for yourself and if you can’t, please find someone who can. Your place of treatment will have resources to help you.
ALSO: I kept a small notebook and pretty much every day wrote down descriptions of how I was feeling—physically and emotionally. It really helped to have a record of everything. Write down questions that pop into your head so you can address them before, during or after each treatment.
I know this is a lot—but I hope even a tiny bit of it helps. Again, it’s hard, it sucks—but it’s temporary! I wish you the absolute best outcome.

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Mine was also 6 months - IV and then two weeks of pills, then a week off. I experienced many of the same side effects - day 3 crash, cold sensitivity, nausea, I would lose the ability to walk unassisted, my speech was garbled and my hands didn't function properly during the last 30 minutes of my IV treatments, then I would slowly recover enough to walk on my own over the next 4-5 hours. I lived under an electric blanket and found journalling helpful as well. I ate whatever I could tolerate - ensure and boost protein drinks (room temp) were good.

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@roywalton

I'd like to know more about your diagnosis.... For one thing 6 month FOLFOX is being used less and less, research is determining that 3 months is as effective and for many patients post surgery chemo has no improve survival, over no chemo at all. Secondly I think your experience is in the minority and I'd hate to think that patients will read this and be frightened. For example my 3 month chemo was really uneventful except for very slight neuropathy and I think one instance of diarrhea. Of course everyone's different!

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@roywalton Thank you for raising that. Food for thought 🤔

My oncologist and I chose to treat my stage 4 appendix cancer (which is treated the same way as CRC) with Folfiri not Folfox (plus Avastin) as first line in order to avoid oxaliplatin. I ended up not needing to go second line and reached NED without it.

I’m not sure why Folfox is used IF Folfiri is suitable. I didn’t want anything to do with oxaliplatin, if at all possible. I had no and still have no neuropathy (almost 3 years after treatment ended).
https://www.medsci.org/v15p0659.htm#:~:text=There%20is%20little%20difference%20in,1%2C9%2C10%5D.
I searched your comment about 3 months instead of 6 months fortnightly treatments and see this applies to adjuvant oxaliplatin. Very interesting. I’ll bear that in my mind if I need to go back into treatment!
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6936167/

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