New member looking for advice on doctors and navigating illness

Posted by lisa3fam @lisa3fam, 3 days ago

I was very happy to find this group a few months ago. I found a lot of helpful posts and now it’s time for a question.

I was diagnosed with asthma in my 20s. I’m 54 now. Since August of 2023, I’ve had a cough with yellow mucus and shortness of breath. I was given a round of prednisone and 2 rounds of antibiotics. Cough continued and the fun began.

Asthma, allergy, sinus, GERD work ups. GERD was the prevailing diagnosis but continue cough with mucus after 2 months of 80mg omeprazole. Next, lungs…PFT shows obstruction. CT scan in Sept 2024 showed findings consistent with MAC - bilateral bronchitis, bronchial wall thickening, bronchiectasis, bronchiolitis. Negative cultures for MAC. Negative aspergillus. Still coughing with yellow mucus. I went strong on airway clearance and good aerobic exercise. Repeat CT in December showed some improvement in bronchitis and bronchiolitis and I reinflated my lung. Go me!! After following up with doc and seeing these improvements, he has now suggested I have bronchiolitis obliterans. This came from a discussion with more senior colleague. I was a little surprised after reading about it. I smoked in college for 3 years and have never worked with or around chemicals. I know lung diseases are hard to diagnose but I’m starting to question things. Doc seems hesitant to do bronchoscopy or lung biopsy, and I’m not too excited about them either. He has scheduled a repeat PFT for April to see if there’s progression. I’m at a crossroads. Should I seek another opinion or perhaps go to one of the university pulmonary clinics here in NC? I’m doing okay. I do have shortness of breath and still coughing yellow to dark yellow mucus but can manage good exercise. I’m concerned about progression now and don’t want to go another year without a diagnosis and plan. Any advice?

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@jannah

I have bronchiectasis and live in the Philadelphia area. I don’t feel my present doctor is helping me know how to deal with this. It has progressed. I’ve recently had two different lung infections one on top of the other. I think i need to get a second opinion. Can you recommend a doctor at Penn?
Thank you

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I go to Dr. Dorgan and am VERY happy with him! He is at Penn. He LISTENS and talks to you like an adult. When I went to him I already knew quite a bit about Airway Clearance so I can't speak to that part but he came recommended to me from a support group. He goes above and beyond. I had an Xray (from my GP) that had a disturbing and strange finding about my bones in a particular area. He had a colleague check it out and thankfully it turned out to be nothing. How many docs would do that?! Good luck! Deb

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@blm1007blm1007

Yes it is great to have all the tests they can do in such a short time so that a patient will know if there are other problems that are important to test for to know if one has, possibly has, Bronchiectasis or a MAC infection.
Interesting that you mentioned four days of wearing the line and device to measure any, if any, problem related to acid reflux. They just required a 24 hour period for me when I was there. I believe that it would be better to have the line and device in for more than 24 hours.
Hope you get good results.
Enjoy Denver....The Cherry Creek Area where the Marriot Residence Inn is, is lovely and convenient.
Barbara

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I was there in November for 5 days just before thanksgiving. They were great. I have had Mac since 2021 and bronchectisis. My treatment plan is amakacin infusion for two months and 4 oral antibiotics go back sometime in April. Hope to start next week. Question has anyone had a picc line. Hope all things go well for you

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@blm1007blm1007

Yes it is great to have all the tests they can do in such a short time so that a patient will know if there are other problems that are important to test for to know if one has, possibly has, Bronchiectasis or a MAC infection.
Interesting that you mentioned four days of wearing the line and device to measure any, if any, problem related to acid reflux. They just required a 24 hour period for me when I was there. I believe that it would be better to have the line and device in for more than 24 hours.
Hope you get good results.
Enjoy Denver....The Cherry Creek Area where the Marriot Residence Inn is, is lovely and convenient.
Barbara

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I am curious as to how one would finance a visit like this to the National Jewish Hospital? I am a member of Kaiser, an HMO in San Rafael, CA, and it is hard to go out of their system. If I left them altogether, I would have Medicare with a supplemental. Would the latter be enough to cover something like this? I have always worked for myself as a lawyer so never had an employer health plan.

Kaiser is decent, and I have access to a respiratory therapist there. My pulmonologist who is an intensive care doc as well and was the head of the team that saved my life when I had the massive hemoptysis, so I have a lot of affection for this man, and he always goes through CT scans with me carefully. But I don’t get the sense that he is a specialist in bronchiectasis and never was proactive about getting a sputum sample from me. It has been very difficult for me to produce one, but it was only at my last hospital visit that he said that the next time I have a bleed, such a sample would work. My disease has progressed significantly since 2012, but he said he sees only a slow progression now and that he isn’t worried about MAC b/c there is very low mortality rate associated with it. That hasn’t reassured me quite frankly, but I also feel a lot of trepidation about getting on antibiotics for eighteen months as many people with MAC have to do—and for maybe longer. I already had TB daily treatment with Ethambutol and INH for two years when I was twenty and there is no doubt that this wreaks havoc with one’s microbiome, which in turn can cause other problems. In short, I am both looking for a more sophisticated diagnosis (how to finance it is the rub) and on another note, have a pipe dream that there is a bronchiectasis expert out there who is not so drug centric. There are functional, holistic M.D.s cropping up in all practice areas of medicine, and am wondering if there is anything like that for lung disease. My daughter had a terrible eighteen-month illness that seemed like long Covid and chronic fatigue syndrome and neither her PCP, a rheumatologist nor infectious disease specialist were able to really help her. She went to a holistic clinic and a nurse practitioner there discovered through the fine-tuned testing they ordered that she was on the verge of copper poisoning from long use of birth control. She stopped, and within two months was 90% better. They used chelation supplements to get the copper out of her system.

Now, I do understand that infection requires antibiotics—they saved my life at age 20. But I am curious whether overall health and even pulmonary tissue can be built up to a level where one can better fight these infections given the nature of our illnesses. Just thinking out loud here.
Curious to hear others’ thoughts.

Best to all,

Aida

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I went to 5 Dr's before I received a correct diagnosis. By that time, within a year span, my lungs were shot. Seek another opinion and and yes, I would go to a research hospital if one is near by. I know Duke is in NC. NC is where I plan on moving in a year or so. Seek an Infectious Disease Dr. Let me know if you find a good one.

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@debw1017

I go to Dr. Dorgan and am VERY happy with him! He is at Penn. He LISTENS and talks to you like an adult. When I went to him I already knew quite a bit about Airway Clearance so I can't speak to that part but he came recommended to me from a support group. He goes above and beyond. I had an Xray (from my GP) that had a disturbing and strange finding about my bones in a particular area. He had a colleague check it out and thankfully it turned out to be nothing. How many docs would do that?! Good luck! Deb

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Isn’t he great? I didn’t know anyone who’d been there so I spent a lot of time reading their reviews and deciding. As I said, he’s a great match for me!

I think the whole team might be that way. When I developed Covid, the doc who returned the call was very kind and had me call around to find pharmacy with Paxlovid in stock while she reviewed record. This week, I left messages since an old problem flared and the immunologist is changing Dorgan has me on. He’s away but Dr Hadjilitis responded. I feel very lucky to be there.

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@paxmundi

I am curious as to how one would finance a visit like this to the National Jewish Hospital? I am a member of Kaiser, an HMO in San Rafael, CA, and it is hard to go out of their system. If I left them altogether, I would have Medicare with a supplemental. Would the latter be enough to cover something like this? I have always worked for myself as a lawyer so never had an employer health plan.

Kaiser is decent, and I have access to a respiratory therapist there. My pulmonologist who is an intensive care doc as well and was the head of the team that saved my life when I had the massive hemoptysis, so I have a lot of affection for this man, and he always goes through CT scans with me carefully. But I don’t get the sense that he is a specialist in bronchiectasis and never was proactive about getting a sputum sample from me. It has been very difficult for me to produce one, but it was only at my last hospital visit that he said that the next time I have a bleed, such a sample would work. My disease has progressed significantly since 2012, but he said he sees only a slow progression now and that he isn’t worried about MAC b/c there is very low mortality rate associated with it. That hasn’t reassured me quite frankly, but I also feel a lot of trepidation about getting on antibiotics for eighteen months as many people with MAC have to do—and for maybe longer. I already had TB daily treatment with Ethambutol and INH for two years when I was twenty and there is no doubt that this wreaks havoc with one’s microbiome, which in turn can cause other problems. In short, I am both looking for a more sophisticated diagnosis (how to finance it is the rub) and on another note, have a pipe dream that there is a bronchiectasis expert out there who is not so drug centric. There are functional, holistic M.D.s cropping up in all practice areas of medicine, and am wondering if there is anything like that for lung disease. My daughter had a terrible eighteen-month illness that seemed like long Covid and chronic fatigue syndrome and neither her PCP, a rheumatologist nor infectious disease specialist were able to really help her. She went to a holistic clinic and a nurse practitioner there discovered through the fine-tuned testing they ordered that she was on the verge of copper poisoning from long use of birth control. She stopped, and within two months was 90% better. They used chelation supplements to get the copper out of her system.

Now, I do understand that infection requires antibiotics—they saved my life at age 20. But I am curious whether overall health and even pulmonary tissue can be built up to a level where one can better fight these infections given the nature of our illnesses. Just thinking out loud here.
Curious to hear others’ thoughts.

Best to all,

Aida

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Aida-
When I reached 65 I was fortunate to know about the difference between Medicare with the Advantage Plan vs Medicare with the Supplement Plan. I am retired and on Medicare with the Supplement Plan. In fact with the Supplement Plan I myself more often than not made/make my own direct contacts with specialists. I have not needed to have a referral other than two times. I have gone to several specialists since the beginning of my journey to find out what was wrong....Bronchiectasis..... and eventually at NJH where I learned I had MAI. Between Medicare and the Supplement all I had to pay was the small deductible, other than the monthly premiums for Medicare (Original) and the Supplement Plan. Naturally other costs while there, such as hotel we all must pay ourselves. Many hotels give discounts when in town for medical reasons.

I am hoping and since I feel well and have not had an uncontrollable coughing spell and other factors that come into play for BE/MAI exacerbation...and with trying to keep my immune system strong I can put off and not start the antibiotics. Another reason also why I have decided not to start the antibiotics yet is that my Pulmonary Function Test is off the scale for my age in the right direction and I am able to bring up mucus easily.

Antibiotics, liquid form, did save my life in the 1980 when I had two serious types of pneumonias at the same time. However, I developed Candida, chronic fatigue and multiple other little changes after that episode. I cleared it all due to a doctor who believed in alternative methods along with conventional methods. He was the only one who recognized my having a yeast problem, systemically, as an after effect of the liquid antibiotics.

Aida...have you searched for a Bronchiectasis specialist. I know there may be a site that can bring up BE Specialists around the country...I found it at one time but don't know it now.
Maybe someone on the site might know how to find the information for finding a BE specialist.

Glad to hear your daughter (and you) found her way to a holistic clinic and how wonderful that a nurse practitioner did what she did. I am familiar with chelation therapy via IV or supplements. Chelation therapy can clean out heavy metals from the body. I know it has also helped diabetic and heart patients also.
Barbara

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@laborday24

I was there in November for 5 days just before thanksgiving. They were great. I have had Mac since 2021 and bronchectisis. My treatment plan is amakacin infusion for two months and 4 oral antibiotics go back sometime in April. Hope to start next week. Question has anyone had a picc line. Hope all things go well for you

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During that time from 2021 to before your visit to NJH did you ever have an uncontrollable coughing spell and other symptoms that fall under a full blown exacerbation for Bronchiectasis/MAC?
Barbara

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@blm1007blm1007

Aida-
When I reached 65 I was fortunate to know about the difference between Medicare with the Advantage Plan vs Medicare with the Supplement Plan. I am retired and on Medicare with the Supplement Plan. In fact with the Supplement Plan I myself more often than not made/make my own direct contacts with specialists. I have not needed to have a referral other than two times. I have gone to several specialists since the beginning of my journey to find out what was wrong....Bronchiectasis..... and eventually at NJH where I learned I had MAI. Between Medicare and the Supplement all I had to pay was the small deductible, other than the monthly premiums for Medicare (Original) and the Supplement Plan. Naturally other costs while there, such as hotel we all must pay ourselves. Many hotels give discounts when in town for medical reasons.

I am hoping and since I feel well and have not had an uncontrollable coughing spell and other factors that come into play for BE/MAI exacerbation...and with trying to keep my immune system strong I can put off and not start the antibiotics. Another reason also why I have decided not to start the antibiotics yet is that my Pulmonary Function Test is off the scale for my age in the right direction and I am able to bring up mucus easily.

Antibiotics, liquid form, did save my life in the 1980 when I had two serious types of pneumonias at the same time. However, I developed Candida, chronic fatigue and multiple other little changes after that episode. I cleared it all due to a doctor who believed in alternative methods along with conventional methods. He was the only one who recognized my having a yeast problem, systemically, as an after effect of the liquid antibiotics.

Aida...have you searched for a Bronchiectasis specialist. I know there may be a site that can bring up BE Specialists around the country...I found it at one time but don't know it now.
Maybe someone on the site might know how to find the information for finding a BE specialist.

Glad to hear your daughter (and you) found her way to a holistic clinic and how wonderful that a nurse practitioner did what she did. I am familiar with chelation therapy via IV or supplements. Chelation therapy can clean out heavy metals from the body. I know it has also helped diabetic and heart patients also.
Barbara

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Thank you so much for your response, Barbara. That is heartening news. Again I see how many things we have in common. For my last birthday, my daughter, her dad and several friends put their resources together to gift me a couple of sessions and additional testing at the functional medicine/holistic clinic that helped my daughter, and which is extremely expensive and out-of-pocket. I was able to get about half of the testing covered by Kaiser and the rest had to be out of pocket, luckily with a 70% discount—but still around $400.00. At the first visit, the P.A. that saw me at the clinic asked to see my tongue when I told her I had been on antibiotics for two years and observed that it was completely coated in white—a clear sign of candida. That has been the case for decades. She immediately said that though they seldom prescribe pharmaceuticals, she wanted to prescribe systemic Nystatin and some lozenges for thrush to try to get at a better baseline to restore the health of my microbiome, which we are learning is so important to overall health. In two weeks I go for my second appointment, and I just completed the course of Nystatin.
Barbara, would you be willing to share what your supplemental insurance is? It sounds great. Finally, I sent you a direct message several days ago and was wondering if you had seen it.
I always appreciate your insights.

Aida

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@blm1007blm1007

Aida-
When I reached 65 I was fortunate to know about the difference between Medicare with the Advantage Plan vs Medicare with the Supplement Plan. I am retired and on Medicare with the Supplement Plan. In fact with the Supplement Plan I myself more often than not made/make my own direct contacts with specialists. I have not needed to have a referral other than two times. I have gone to several specialists since the beginning of my journey to find out what was wrong....Bronchiectasis..... and eventually at NJH where I learned I had MAI. Between Medicare and the Supplement all I had to pay was the small deductible, other than the monthly premiums for Medicare (Original) and the Supplement Plan. Naturally other costs while there, such as hotel we all must pay ourselves. Many hotels give discounts when in town for medical reasons.

I am hoping and since I feel well and have not had an uncontrollable coughing spell and other factors that come into play for BE/MAI exacerbation...and with trying to keep my immune system strong I can put off and not start the antibiotics. Another reason also why I have decided not to start the antibiotics yet is that my Pulmonary Function Test is off the scale for my age in the right direction and I am able to bring up mucus easily.

Antibiotics, liquid form, did save my life in the 1980 when I had two serious types of pneumonias at the same time. However, I developed Candida, chronic fatigue and multiple other little changes after that episode. I cleared it all due to a doctor who believed in alternative methods along with conventional methods. He was the only one who recognized my having a yeast problem, systemically, as an after effect of the liquid antibiotics.

Aida...have you searched for a Bronchiectasis specialist. I know there may be a site that can bring up BE Specialists around the country...I found it at one time but don't know it now.
Maybe someone on the site might know how to find the information for finding a BE specialist.

Glad to hear your daughter (and you) found her way to a holistic clinic and how wonderful that a nurse practitioner did what she did. I am familiar with chelation therapy via IV or supplements. Chelation therapy can clean out heavy metals from the body. I know it has also helped diabetic and heart patients also.
Barbara

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I also wanted to add that my pulmonary function is also excellent—also off the scale 100%

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@paxmundi

Thank you so much for your response, Barbara. That is heartening news. Again I see how many things we have in common. For my last birthday, my daughter, her dad and several friends put their resources together to gift me a couple of sessions and additional testing at the functional medicine/holistic clinic that helped my daughter, and which is extremely expensive and out-of-pocket. I was able to get about half of the testing covered by Kaiser and the rest had to be out of pocket, luckily with a 70% discount—but still around $400.00. At the first visit, the P.A. that saw me at the clinic asked to see my tongue when I told her I had been on antibiotics for two years and observed that it was completely coated in white—a clear sign of candida. That has been the case for decades. She immediately said that though they seldom prescribe pharmaceuticals, she wanted to prescribe systemic Nystatin and some lozenges for thrush to try to get at a better baseline to restore the health of my microbiome, which we are learning is so important to overall health. In two weeks I go for my second appointment, and I just completed the course of Nystatin.
Barbara, would you be willing to share what your supplemental insurance is? It sounds great. Finally, I sent you a direct message several days ago and was wondering if you had seen it.
I always appreciate your insights.

Aida

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Yes Nystatin was the medication I was on when I had the Candida. I also was very careful with what I ate, as I am now, once I learned about a yeast infection due to antibiotics. In my case with having disability insurance I was able to go on disability leave from teaching, it was that debilitating. As you know working with a chronic health problem is difficult and therefore difficult to help oneself fully.

My health insurance is with the State due to my being a teacher so it is not one of the typical insurance companies.

I may have done something incorrectly if you didn't receive my direct message because I did write a reply to your direct message.

If you are not on Medicare and do not qualify for Medicare as yet you will have the opportunity to choose what company you would like to have as the carrier for a Supplement Insurance to Original Medicare. If you are not as yet on Medicare there is a great deal of information on the internet about when and how to apply. There are guidelines about how, when, where and the importance of knowing that once you make a decision, if a person chooses an Advantage Plan and then decides they made a mistake and you want to go to a Supplement Plan you have an extremely short window to change. If you wait too long after choosing an Advantage Plan you will be subject to the insurance carriers underwriting department and a person can be turned down if they have a health condition that the insurance company doesn't want to be insuring a person for. A Supplement Plan to Medicare, I believe, makes life a lot easier in several ways. You may already know this.

Research, decisions and timing is everything, in almost everything.
Just hope I am not holding off too long in taking the antibiotics since I feel well and have not had an exacerbation. Looking forward to my talk the end of the month with my BE pulmonologist.
Hope you are having a good weekend.
Barbara

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