Do people over 85 absorb multivitamin and mineral supplements well?

Posted by botswana @botswana, Jan 2 2:01pm

Does an 86 yrs. old woman benefit from liquid muti vitamin and mineral supplements? Are the organs, still able to absorb and utilize the supplement with a healthy diet?

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Honestly, it depends on to whom it is you are speaking. We had a family doctor (died suddenly, ten years after retiring, from a heart attack), a gem of a human being, who told my wife that our community, which is a retirement destination on the west coast of Canada, had some of the most expensive sewage in the world. His inference was that it was because people were plying themselves liberally with sometimes exotic and expensive supplements which their bodies either couldn't use or declined to use, and it went into their toilets and down the drains.
I have read that our aging bodies don't absorb nutrients as well as they did years earlier. That may be true, in which case some modest supplementation couldn't hurt, provided the money isn't wasted on expensive urine. But I feel that eating properly, meaning not too much, and eating nutritionally (very little package goods of any kind, whether fancy rice pilafs with flavouring packets included, or tins with their plastic linings and things added to the 'food' to make you want to ingest even more of it) should keep even feeble people from harm. Lots of vegetables, some fruit (careful, fructose is hard on the body!), especially blackberries and blueberries, and eating fresh flesh for protein and the full range of amino acids and such is the way to go.
However, that's just me. So far, so good. I do run a bit shy on potassium, apparently, so I add some of that shakeable powder (potassium salt available at your grocers) into my coffee each afternoon (I like my coffee less bitter, and salt helps). I have to take a statin, to my regret and annoyance, and the science says to supplement with coenzyme Q10, or CoQ10. I place one under-the-tongue B12 there about once a week...just 'cuz. But I take no other vitamins or supplements...oh, forgot the magnesium malate, 200 mg, that I take twice a week to help my heart stay in rhythm. But that's it. No daily, nothing prescribed, no anemia...nothing like that.

[Edit. added] Okay, I'm undoing my own position on this a bit, but I do also take D3. Accordingly to a lot of personal reasearch, the human body that lives above the 30th parallel gets about half of what it needs, and the further north you live, the worse it gets. And that starts in September for us up north because the sun gets low, the days shorter, and we're not out in shorts or lying by the pool. So, every second or third day I give myself and my wife two 2500 IU tablets. D3 is critical for body immune and transport functions. Most of us get much less than we could use if our bodies could speak...which they will in an unpleasant way if you short yourself.

Finally, your primary care provider is the person to discuss this with. They know you best professionally and scientifically.

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@gloaming

Honestly, it depends on to whom it is you are speaking. We had a family doctor (died suddenly, ten years after retiring, from a heart attack), a gem of a human being, who told my wife that our community, which is a retirement destination on the west coast of Canada, had some of the most expensive sewage in the world. His inference was that it was because people were plying themselves liberally with sometimes exotic and expensive supplements which their bodies either couldn't use or declined to use, and it went into their toilets and down the drains.
I have read that our aging bodies don't absorb nutrients as well as they did years earlier. That may be true, in which case some modest supplementation couldn't hurt, provided the money isn't wasted on expensive urine. But I feel that eating properly, meaning not too much, and eating nutritionally (very little package goods of any kind, whether fancy rice pilafs with flavouring packets included, or tins with their plastic linings and things added to the 'food' to make you want to ingest even more of it) should keep even feeble people from harm. Lots of vegetables, some fruit (careful, fructose is hard on the body!), especially blackberries and blueberries, and eating fresh flesh for protein and the full range of amino acids and such is the way to go.
However, that's just me. So far, so good. I do run a bit shy on potassium, apparently, so I add some of that shakeable powder (potassium salt available at your grocers) into my coffee each afternoon (I like my coffee less bitter, and salt helps). I have to take a statin, to my regret and annoyance, and the science says to supplement with coenzyme Q10, or CoQ10. I place one under-the-tongue B12 there about once a week...just 'cuz. But I take no other vitamins or supplements...oh, forgot the magnesium malate, 200 mg, that I take twice a week to help my heart stay in rhythm. But that's it. No daily, nothing prescribed, no anemia...nothing like that.

[Edit. added] Okay, I'm undoing my own position on this a bit, but I do also take D3. Accordingly to a lot of personal reasearch, the human body that lives above the 30th parallel gets about half of what it needs, and the further north you live, the worse it gets. And that starts in September for us up north because the sun gets low, the days shorter, and we're not out in shorts or lying by the pool. So, every second or third day I give myself and my wife two 2500 IU tablets. D3 is critical for body immune and transport functions. Most of us get much less than we could use if our bodies could speak...which they will in an unpleasant way if you short yourself.

Finally, your primary care provider is the person to discuss this with. They know you best professionally and scientifically.

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Thank you for your comments. I have to smile though about your comment about the knowledge of primary care providers. They have limited knowledge about nutrition and vitamin supplements and other things as well. Research on google provided by AI is also a waste of time. I listen to my body tell me what it wants. I have lived a healthy life style all of my 86 years, no packaged foods, only good stuff, consumed lots of vitamins and red wine. Now I find myself getting tired more often and my energy level is not the same. It is hard for an A personality to accept. I know I have autoimmune disorders that doctors know very little about. I deal with it on my own terms. I am healthy, no morbidity, annual blood tests are good. Except for a daily low dose aspirin, I take no meds. I'll keep up with my multi vitamins and minerals even if my organs don't get the full benefit.
Wishing you the best of life.

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Apparently, some people don’t absorb B12 very well. My mom, who’s 84, must take injections. I struggle too and am not in my 80s. I take sublingual. I have to take Vit D too. And, fish oil for an eye condition. My doctors recommended all the supplements that I take. My mom hasn’t been compliant taking B12 or D and she has significant nerve and muscle problems.

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@botswana

Thank you for your comments. I have to smile though about your comment about the knowledge of primary care providers. They have limited knowledge about nutrition and vitamin supplements and other things as well. Research on google provided by AI is also a waste of time. I listen to my body tell me what it wants. I have lived a healthy life style all of my 86 years, no packaged foods, only good stuff, consumed lots of vitamins and red wine. Now I find myself getting tired more often and my energy level is not the same. It is hard for an A personality to accept. I know I have autoimmune disorders that doctors know very little about. I deal with it on my own terms. I am healthy, no morbidity, annual blood tests are good. Except for a daily low dose aspirin, I take no meds. I'll keep up with my multi vitamins and minerals even if my organs don't get the full benefit.
Wishing you the best of life.

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I can't disagree with you, botswana. I had to have multiple diagnostics to see if I have ischemia before an electrophysiologist would agree to treat my heart arrhythmia. None of them showed ischemia, nor did they show atherosclerosis. I even had a Doppler ultrasound of my carotid arteries at my request, but they are/were clear. I still developed an arrhythmia, and it turns out that it was almost certainly due to what was ultimately diagnosed as severe sleep apnea. This in a fit man, a runner and cyclist, always healthy and engaged in many things, etc.

I went back to my cardiologist and asked him why I should be on a statin at my age with apparently clear arteries. He actually laughed and said that I most assuredly DO HAVE heart disease, it's just not the cause of my arrhythmia. So, I stay on a statin, and stay on CoQ10. They never tell you that you do not produce much, if any, of your own CoQ10 if you take a statin.

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@gloaming

I can't disagree with you, botswana. I had to have multiple diagnostics to see if I have ischemia before an electrophysiologist would agree to treat my heart arrhythmia. None of them showed ischemia, nor did they show atherosclerosis. I even had a Doppler ultrasound of my carotid arteries at my request, but they are/were clear. I still developed an arrhythmia, and it turns out that it was almost certainly due to what was ultimately diagnosed as severe sleep apnea. This in a fit man, a runner and cyclist, always healthy and engaged in many things, etc.

I went back to my cardiologist and asked him why I should be on a statin at my age with apparently clear arteries. He actually laughed and said that I most assuredly DO HAVE heart disease, it's just not the cause of my arrhythmia. So, I stay on a statin, and stay on CoQ10. They never tell you that you do not produce much, if any, of your own CoQ10 if you take a statin.

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No they don’t. I’ll explore that,

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@gloaming

Honestly, it depends on to whom it is you are speaking. We had a family doctor (died suddenly, ten years after retiring, from a heart attack), a gem of a human being, who told my wife that our community, which is a retirement destination on the west coast of Canada, had some of the most expensive sewage in the world. His inference was that it was because people were plying themselves liberally with sometimes exotic and expensive supplements which their bodies either couldn't use or declined to use, and it went into their toilets and down the drains.
I have read that our aging bodies don't absorb nutrients as well as they did years earlier. That may be true, in which case some modest supplementation couldn't hurt, provided the money isn't wasted on expensive urine. But I feel that eating properly, meaning not too much, and eating nutritionally (very little package goods of any kind, whether fancy rice pilafs with flavouring packets included, or tins with their plastic linings and things added to the 'food' to make you want to ingest even more of it) should keep even feeble people from harm. Lots of vegetables, some fruit (careful, fructose is hard on the body!), especially blackberries and blueberries, and eating fresh flesh for protein and the full range of amino acids and such is the way to go.
However, that's just me. So far, so good. I do run a bit shy on potassium, apparently, so I add some of that shakeable powder (potassium salt available at your grocers) into my coffee each afternoon (I like my coffee less bitter, and salt helps). I have to take a statin, to my regret and annoyance, and the science says to supplement with coenzyme Q10, or CoQ10. I place one under-the-tongue B12 there about once a week...just 'cuz. But I take no other vitamins or supplements...oh, forgot the magnesium malate, 200 mg, that I take twice a week to help my heart stay in rhythm. But that's it. No daily, nothing prescribed, no anemia...nothing like that.

[Edit. added] Okay, I'm undoing my own position on this a bit, but I do also take D3. Accordingly to a lot of personal reasearch, the human body that lives above the 30th parallel gets about half of what it needs, and the further north you live, the worse it gets. And that starts in September for us up north because the sun gets low, the days shorter, and we're not out in shorts or lying by the pool. So, every second or third day I give myself and my wife two 2500 IU tablets. D3 is critical for body immune and transport functions. Most of us get much less than we could use if our bodies could speak...which they will in an unpleasant way if you short yourself.

Finally, your primary care provider is the person to discuss this with. They know you best professionally and scientifically.

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I’m 84 and when I was 25 my doctor said the same thing. American’s have the most expensive urine. I would say, if you feel the difference then it works for you.

Remember, the doctors say they are “just Practicing”

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@gloaming

Honestly, it depends on to whom it is you are speaking. We had a family doctor (died suddenly, ten years after retiring, from a heart attack), a gem of a human being, who told my wife that our community, which is a retirement destination on the west coast of Canada, had some of the most expensive sewage in the world. His inference was that it was because people were plying themselves liberally with sometimes exotic and expensive supplements which their bodies either couldn't use or declined to use, and it went into their toilets and down the drains.
I have read that our aging bodies don't absorb nutrients as well as they did years earlier. That may be true, in which case some modest supplementation couldn't hurt, provided the money isn't wasted on expensive urine. But I feel that eating properly, meaning not too much, and eating nutritionally (very little package goods of any kind, whether fancy rice pilafs with flavouring packets included, or tins with their plastic linings and things added to the 'food' to make you want to ingest even more of it) should keep even feeble people from harm. Lots of vegetables, some fruit (careful, fructose is hard on the body!), especially blackberries and blueberries, and eating fresh flesh for protein and the full range of amino acids and such is the way to go.
However, that's just me. So far, so good. I do run a bit shy on potassium, apparently, so I add some of that shakeable powder (potassium salt available at your grocers) into my coffee each afternoon (I like my coffee less bitter, and salt helps). I have to take a statin, to my regret and annoyance, and the science says to supplement with coenzyme Q10, or CoQ10. I place one under-the-tongue B12 there about once a week...just 'cuz. But I take no other vitamins or supplements...oh, forgot the magnesium malate, 200 mg, that I take twice a week to help my heart stay in rhythm. But that's it. No daily, nothing prescribed, no anemia...nothing like that.

[Edit. added] Okay, I'm undoing my own position on this a bit, but I do also take D3. Accordingly to a lot of personal reasearch, the human body that lives above the 30th parallel gets about half of what it needs, and the further north you live, the worse it gets. And that starts in September for us up north because the sun gets low, the days shorter, and we're not out in shorts or lying by the pool. So, every second or third day I give myself and my wife two 2500 IU tablets. D3 is critical for body immune and transport functions. Most of us get much less than we could use if our bodies could speak...which they will in an unpleasant way if you short yourself.

Finally, your primary care provider is the person to discuss this with. They know you best professionally and scientifically.

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I noted your comment about potassium. Back in 2011 I got C-diff due to antibiotics my dentist gave me and was in the hospital. I had very low potassium. So I started to track and I just don't have enough potassium. Potassium is important for your muscles, and of course the heart is a muscle.
My Primary put me on prescription potassium and I take 10mg twice a day and I just manage to stay in range. I have read that older people tend to be lower in Potassium. I now check out the medications I am prescribed because some will raise your potassium and some will lower it. I adjust accordingly then to stay in range

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@vic83

I noted your comment about potassium. Back in 2011 I got C-diff due to antibiotics my dentist gave me and was in the hospital. I had very low potassium. So I started to track and I just don't have enough potassium. Potassium is important for your muscles, and of course the heart is a muscle.
My Primary put me on prescription potassium and I take 10mg twice a day and I just manage to stay in range. I have read that older people tend to be lower in Potassium. I now check out the medications I am prescribed because some will raise your potassium and some will lower it. I adjust accordingly then to stay in range

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My aged father has been in the ER three times since coming off a cruise in early 2018. All three times, it was low sodium. His sister told him she had been on salt tablets for years when he called for his weekly chat and related his ER experience and findings.

For older folk, 70 and up say, who suddenly find they're not feeling well, a bit dizzy, short of breath, maybe rapid heartbeat...there's an excellent chance one or more of your electrolytes are wonky. Also, hydration can be a problem...we don't drink enough because we don't produce the right amounts of hormones to make us concentrate our urine, especially at night (remember when we didn't have to rise two or three times each night?), or we don't drink enough as the day goes on and by morning, peeing two/three times, we're parched!!

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@vic83

I noted your comment about potassium. Back in 2011 I got C-diff due to antibiotics my dentist gave me and was in the hospital. I had very low potassium. So I started to track and I just don't have enough potassium. Potassium is important for your muscles, and of course the heart is a muscle.
My Primary put me on prescription potassium and I take 10mg twice a day and I just manage to stay in range. I have read that older people tend to be lower in Potassium. I now check out the medications I am prescribed because some will raise your potassium and some will lower it. I adjust accordingly then to stay in range

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@vic83 Sorry if I sound like a know it all but c-diff is a pathogen usually acquired in hospital. But vitamins don’t cause it. I am a retired RN.

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@bunnybear

@vic83 Sorry if I sound like a know it all but c-diff is a pathogen usually acquired in hospital. But vitamins don’t cause it. I am a retired RN.

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I fear you misread my post. I wrote that I developed C-diff from the ANTIBIOTICS my dentist gave me (not vitamins). They used to give out antibiotics like candy. I was a text book case - I developed terrible diarrhea on the 10th day of antibiotics (Amoxicillin, known cause) and was so weak I couldn't drive. My Primary sent me to emergency room and the blood work showed a very low potassium level (they said my heart could have stopped) and put me in hospital. The low potassium was obviously caused by the dehydration with such heavy diarrhea. Blood work in the following years after have shown I have low potassium so my Primary prescribes it now. I am not relating potassium to C-diff except with diarrhea/dehydration one loses electrolytes (sodium, potassium calcium, magnesium, phosphate, and chlorine.)

Regarding how one develops C-Diff, while hospitals and nursing homes are common places (patients on antibiotics) , anyone can develop C-diff if they are on certain antibiotics. Broad-spectrum antibiotics are a risk for C-diff because they kill the good bacteria and the bad bacteria take over. Then if there is not strict hygene others can pick up the bacteria from contaminated surfaces.
Example: When I was in the hospital in Naples, Florida, outside my room there was a stand with gowns and gloves for anyone coming into my room. The staff rarely put on any protective clothing. Only if the head of the hospital was coming by. In fact one employee came into my room and said she was pretty healthy and not worried about C-diff - she missed the point. She could carry the germ to others!
But having a contagious disease did get me a private room at the time!
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/symptoms-causes/syc-20351691

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