Any suggestions for expelling tenacioius mucus plugs?

Posted by coffcoff @coffcoff, Dec 26, 2024

Despite drinking lots of fluids (mostly water) and using 7% saline in my Aerobica twice a day, my CT scans consistently show mucus plugs deep in my lungs. Maybe it's because I live in such a dry climate (southern AZ) but I have a difficult time getting phlegm up. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

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@sueinmn

Hi, your question is a little off-topic for this particular discussion, but I'll give you a quick answer about the Berkey Gravity water purifier. None of their available filters, including the ceramic version, meets the requirements for removing mycobacteria from water.
To remove mycobacteria, the filter must remove particles of .2 microns or smaller. The best Berkey filter is rated to remove contaminants down to .9 microns. Further, all of their filters contain charcoal, which can be a breeding ground for mycobacteria.

So, no, a Berkey will not provide NTM-free water.

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Oh sorry, I didn’t realize it was off topic. I thought that it was relevant to a discussion of boiling water, pipes, water heaters, etc. in order to get uncontaminated water. Thank you for your response in any event.

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@blm1007blm1007

This is what I have been doing for myself and do believe it is helping.
You may already know or do some of what I will post here but just in case you don't or haven't tried these, I will explain what I do for myself.
I have had improvement per the C Scan in the upper lung area with less inflammation. I apparently need to work harder in the lower lung area...a new showing.
I wear an N95 Mask out all the time in public and have found that with breathing in my own air/moisture, I believe that is what is doing it, I more often than not have to clear out what has apparently come up from my lungs immediately after removing the mask before getting back into the car. Sometimes I wear it for a short time while I exercise before doing airway clearance methods.
I boil water in the morning, I prefer that to a humidifier for sanitary reasons, and believe the moisture that it puts in the house has also helped. I prefer to keep the lid on the pot until the water has boiled for 15 minutes.
I live in a cold winter climate and keep my heat lower in the house, for me 67 degrees, and layer myself with clothing items if I get cold in that temperature. Forced air heating of the house draws out moisture so keeping the temperature low helps keep some moisture in the house.
In the summer with the heat I keep the temperature high, 79 degrees. Air conditioning draws out moisture from the house. Summer dress code for me is the opposite of winter.

Should others who read this have any thoughts, good or bad, or suggestions about what I am doing please let me, us, know your thoughts, all is appreciated.
Barbara

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How would you know how to work on the lower lung lobe?

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@reneemc

How would you know how to work on the lower lung lobe?

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For me and with my not being able to use The Vest without causing pain I started doing my own clapping percussion on myself.
I go on the sides of the breastbone. I do it during my morning therapy and often as I go along in my day....do it during the day.
I also go on the sides of my backbone and now I am doing more area of my back/lungs than I had been doing before. Making sure I do the clapping percussion somewhat to the side of my back just above my waist. With what I have been doing in total, within the years time of doing it all the CScan showed improvement in upper lobes and less inflammation, however, new concern in lower left lobe. So hopefully, I am doing what I believe will do the trick...we shall see...by my working around the area where I believe the lower lobes are.....with the clapping percussion there and than to the upper part of my back.
I may start again, as well, with The Vest on the lower settings to try to add to it all at another time of day.
As I said, this is what I do for me. It's not something suggested by the pulmonologists it is strictly my choice and as long as I can do it and continue to feel well and see improvement I will be happy.
Hope this doesn't ruffle anyone's feathers so to speak.. As I said no pulmonologist has suggested this clapping percussion. If I couldn't use the vest I had to try something different.
Barbara

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@blm1007blm1007

For me and with my not being able to use The Vest without causing pain I started doing my own clapping percussion on myself.
I go on the sides of the breastbone. I do it during my morning therapy and often as I go along in my day....do it during the day.
I also go on the sides of my backbone and now I am doing more area of my back/lungs than I had been doing before. Making sure I do the clapping percussion somewhat to the side of my back just above my waist. With what I have been doing in total, within the years time of doing it all the CScan showed improvement in upper lobes and less inflammation, however, new concern in lower left lobe. So hopefully, I am doing what I believe will do the trick...we shall see...by my working around the area where I believe the lower lobes are.....with the clapping percussion there and than to the upper part of my back.
I may start again, as well, with The Vest on the lower settings to try to add to it all at another time of day.
As I said, this is what I do for me. It's not something suggested by the pulmonologists it is strictly my choice and as long as I can do it and continue to feel well and see improvement I will be happy.
Hope this doesn't ruffle anyone's feathers so to speak.. As I said no pulmonologist has suggested this clapping percussion. If I couldn't use the vest I had to try something different.
Barbara

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Thanks Barbara, I couldn’t use the vest due to pain and hemoptysis. I hang upside down on an inversion table and try to clap over those lower lobes

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@sueinmn

Hi, your question is a little off-topic for this particular discussion, but I'll give you a quick answer about the Berkey Gravity water purifier. None of their available filters, including the ceramic version, meets the requirements for removing mycobacteria from water.
To remove mycobacteria, the filter must remove particles of .2 microns or smaller. The best Berkey filter is rated to remove contaminants down to .9 microns. Further, all of their filters contain charcoal, which can be a breeding ground for mycobacteria.

So, no, a Berkey will not provide NTM-free water.

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Oh dear, I just realized that indeed this was meant for another discussion. Apologies!

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@reneemc

Thanks Barbara, I couldn’t use the vest due to pain and hemoptysis. I hang upside down on an inversion table and try to clap over those lower lobes

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Yes, as I do my postural drainage part of the full therapy I also do the same as you, clap over those lower lobes.
At the start of all this I asked myself , "How will I be able to do all this later on." That is somewhat of a 'laugh' because it is later on for me....I'm 82. So I wonder if I will be taking myself into my nineties doing all this. Time will tell. Thank goodness, for now, I feel well and am reasonably strong. The worst thing for me is the need to constantly clear out what comes up into my throat just below the adam's apple bone. This constant work of having to clear it out causes me internal tension and I need to relax for a bit during the day due to the work of getting the sputum up and out. So for some they have a hard time getting it up and out and then for me the opposite. As said so often....we are all different.
Barbara

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@reneemc

Thanks Barbara, I couldn’t use the vest due to pain and hemoptysis. I hang upside down on an inversion table and try to clap over those lower lobes

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@reneemc have you had success with the inversion table? It’s tempting to try. I talked to the pulmonologist about it who did not think it would be helpful unaccompanied by percussion. But then again I don’t think they have any direct experience with this. I am interested in how it’s working for you.

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@blm1007blm1007

For me and with my not being able to use The Vest without causing pain I started doing my own clapping percussion on myself.
I go on the sides of the breastbone. I do it during my morning therapy and often as I go along in my day....do it during the day.
I also go on the sides of my backbone and now I am doing more area of my back/lungs than I had been doing before. Making sure I do the clapping percussion somewhat to the side of my back just above my waist. With what I have been doing in total, within the years time of doing it all the CScan showed improvement in upper lobes and less inflammation, however, new concern in lower left lobe. So hopefully, I am doing what I believe will do the trick...we shall see...by my working around the area where I believe the lower lobes are.....with the clapping percussion there and than to the upper part of my back.
I may start again, as well, with The Vest on the lower settings to try to add to it all at another time of day.
As I said, this is what I do for me. It's not something suggested by the pulmonologists it is strictly my choice and as long as I can do it and continue to feel well and see improvement I will be happy.
Hope this doesn't ruffle anyone's feathers so to speak.. As I said no pulmonologist has suggested this clapping percussion. If I couldn't use the vest I had to try something different.
Barbara

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I like that idea a lot! I'll give it a try. Because I also have reflux I can't do postural drainage but what you're doing is definitely worth a try. Thanks!

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@scoop

@reneemc have you had success with the inversion table? It’s tempting to try. I talked to the pulmonologist about it who did not think it would be helpful unaccompanied by percussion. But then again I don’t think they have any direct experience with this. I am interested in how it’s working for you.

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Some days more effective than others. Also, leaning over forward would drain a different part of the lung than the inversion table. I try to do both.

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I find it super helpful to do a waterfall pose when I use my nebulizer. In fact, I do the pose when I have my sputum tests. I bring my yoga mat to the lab. Before incorporating the waterfall pose when I had my sputum tests for my first two lung infections, I was unable to yield anything to help with diagnosis and ended up having to have broncs. I can't recommend highly enough.

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