Chronic Buttock Pain
I will do my best to keep this brief, but it is a long story. I have had pain in my buttocks, sometimes hips, groin, sacral area for 5 months, along with tingling in both legs and feet. The pain is most intense in the intergluteal cleft, the area where pressure is applied while sitting. My entire buttock region is sensitive to pressure. The pain in the sacral area comes and goes, and is best described as a burning pain. The majority of symptoms are on my left, but are also on the right side. The groin pain is most often "flashes" of burning.
My first diagnosis was hemorrhoids since the first symptom was burning bowel movements. The burning bowel movements stopped, but then the other buttock pain intensified. In mid January, I had x-rays of my pelvis taken.
"Mild osteophytosis and sclerosis of the SI joints suggesting mild osteoarthritis. There is mild to moderate multilevel degenerative disc disease and facet arthropathy of the lumbar spine most prominent from L4-S1."
The pain started to really focus on a specific spot on my left buttock. It even hurt to just gently rub my finger against.
When I would sit in a car, especially driving, my legs tingle quite severely and the burning pain in my sacrum intensifies. (this also happened when I lay on my back)
By Feb 17, I thought maybe it was ischial bursitis. My doctor prescribed me a short course of steroids, but no change. The next step was MRIs of my pelvis and lumbar region.
IMPRESSION: * At L5-S1, right central disc protrusion deforms the anterior thecal sac and may contact the traversing right S1 nerve root, but the nerve root is not displaced. * At L4-5, posterior annular tear and central disc protrusion are superimposed on circumferential disc bulge. Although this deforms the anterior thecal sac, there is no obvious neural impingement. * L3-4 posterior annular tear and circumferential disc bulge. No neural impingement.
The radiating nerve irritation is on the inside of my thigh, near where the inseam of a pant leg would be, but maybe a little farther on the back of the leg. Sometimes it will go beneath the knee. My ankles have been burning some as well. My feet are often cold.
It was getting to the point where the only position I could be comfortable is laying down. And the only time I could fully escape the pain was during sleep.
On Feb 27, my doctor (nurse practitioner) is stumped and started questioning whether the pain is mental. I ask if we can explore PT, and he refers me. He did note the disc degeneration in my MRI and said he could refer me to a pain management doctor for local injections. I have no idea how that process works and decide to proceed with the PT.
At this time, he had me try Cymbalta but I am pretty certain that it caused some severe insomnia so I stopped taking it after a few days. I was pretty stressed at this time due to an upcoming colonoscopy. The NP continued to question whether this was anxiety or psychosomatic. I had to start taking sleep aids.
PT started on Mar 8. I was excited to get in front of someone who knew more details of the nerves/muscles/spine, and someone who would listen to me. Upon evaluation for the severe pain in the spot in my left buttock, the PT determined that the connection of my hamstring to my pelvis had become frayed or damaged. Certain actions of my hamstring triggered intense pain. We started exercises that focused on the hamstring. We talked about some of the tingling but didn't really address it much. He thought it may have been due to the lack of sleep.
The PT was definitely helping the intense pain spot. I do not recall the level of pain in the rest of the buttock area.
My colonoscopy was on Mar 14 and the results were fine. The few days after this was the only time since late December that I actually felt normal. Then, on Mar 18, I started having neck pain. My PT could not help me with the neck issue at this time since the order was for the buttock pain. Sleep is the only place I could fully escape, so I started sleeping A LOT. At certain times of the day, after I have been upright for a time, I would just have this "sinking" feeling like my entire spine was collapsing. I tried heat, NSAIDs, Apsercreme, nothing really worked well.
Mar 29 was the last day of PT for the specific spot on my buttock. PT performed the same actions as on day 1 and the pain in that spot was no longer triggered. I visited a doctor about my neck. He felt my neck and said that I felt tight (and was sore) on the left side. He said to try more naproxen or ibuprofen. I mentioned the seat and leg pain, and he said to try the gabapentin at night again. I told him my PT said he could help if I had a new order, but he would want x-rays since I told him I knew my neck as deformed (I have autofused vertebrae from birth).
During this time, my neck was my biggest misery, with the other issues still present.
I messaged my doctor again and asked about the buttock and leg issues. He said he could refer me to pain management for injections in my back. I asked him if the assumption then was that this leg tingling is related to my back and he said "he feels that is most likely the cause". I then asked if it would make sense to talk to someone in ortho/neuro about my MRI and symptoms before pursuing the injections.I was referred to an Ortho. While making the appointment, I had to choose what area I wanted to treat.
At that time, my neck was most bothersome, so I started there. During the first visit, I did not see the doctor, but an NP. We looked at my imaging and talked about my neck, the autofused vertebrae, the disc degeneration. I asked some questions about my buttock issue. She suggested that maybe it was an SI joint issue and once again, it was suggested that I visit pain management for injections. She said we could try Celebrex to see if that helped any first. She tested my reflexes and since I was hyperreflexive, ordered a neck MRI and follow up. Two weeks later, I had the MRI and follow-up, this time with the doctor. The issue in my buttocks had intensified, and the neck pain was more intermittent. The doctor said I was not a candidate for surgery on my neck and was experiencing what millions of others are experiencing regarding disc degeneration. He asked what I had tried so far. I said just OTC NSAIDs. He said the next step is PT. As is typical, he was very rushed and I tried to ask questions about my buttock pain, but was not really allowed to get into as much depth as I would have liked. In the end, he added the "lumbar" issue to my PT order.
I started PT again last week. Even after just two sessions, my neck is quite a bit better. I had some very tight muscles in my shoulder region that he was able to loosen up, and has been doing some very light manual traction. He did some provocative tests on my SI, and while not conclusive, there were some results that pointed to an issue. He said that he has only treated SI joint issues a handful of times, and did not think that they often were accompanied with the leg nerve pain. He gave me an SI belt yesterday and said that I should start noticing a difference by the end of the night. I have been wearing it since, and really have not noticed much change yet. It does seem to make me more stable while walking, but the buttock pain while sitting, and at least some level of tingling is still there. I am trying to give it time, even though he said the impact should be noticeable quickly. Honestly, he seems stumped. I trust him very much, and he seems dedicated to trying to help me, but he wants to go down the path of the source just being sitting too much, and I do not think that is the case. I have made an appointment with another PT in town that offers a free consultation to get his take. I have also made an appointment with a massage therapist.
The Celebrex does not seem to be doing anything.
I have been trying to get some clarification from the ortho NP who talked to me the most about my buttocks, but the office is very slow to reply and I only get replies from the nurse assistant and don't even know if my questions are being seen by the NP.
As much as I hate needles, I am not opposed to injections, if we know what needs to be injected. But I would prefer to FIX the issue rather than cover it up. I did get a referral to Pain Management but have not had an appointment set yet.
The last 5 months have been miserable. I am not performing to the level I should be at work or home. I am thankful that I work from home and have flexibility. It is still the worst while driving and I rarely go anywhere anymore. I have missed out on so much, including time with my family. I am wiped out by 5:00 pm and am often in bed by 7:00 or 8:00. Relief from the neck pain is helping, but I cannot escape the buttock pain.
Can anyone provide any insight? Does this sound like an issue with my SI joint? Could those protrusions mentioned on my MRI be the issue? I am so desperate for answers I don't know where to go.
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all these things you need to tell the dr. Not the nurse assistant. I understand as I am quite similar. Today I go for an L5/S1 joint steroid after doing an epidural.
Here's the thing _ you have MULTIPLE things going on so you need to:
1) Find a doctor(s) you trust
2) do exercise in PT regularly (you can trust)
3) be patient
4) be willing to take on multiple things. Some can take years to resolve. Others months. Its all part of a degenerating body as it ages. Is it my sacral joint? is it my piriformis dysfunction? or is it an impinged nerve from the spine? sitting too much, blah, blah blah! (said knowing what you are going through!) avoid people who tell you its in your mind BUT you MUST do the work for months so you can see how your body is responding. You are throwing in all this cross multidisciplinary stuff and those doctor assistants can't help. Start with the most OVERARCHING THING. Prioritize.
OR, you will just get bandaids and feel like you are in a hamster wheel going nowhere.
Do exercise. A little bit more every so often. ITS the cure!
Two suggestions that may seem totally off base to you but may help with pain wherever it is and whatever is causing it.
I have structural pain issues in my back - in fact after a fall where I fractured (and have since healed) my pelvis, radiologists commented more on my severely degenerating spine than the minimally displaced fractures in my pelvis. Indeed the fall also further tweaked my wonky back. I’m determined to avoid surgery if at all possible because the prognosis for surgery giving me relief isn’t very positive and has the possibility of making things worse according to the neurosurgeon where I live. I will go out of state if I have to resort to surgery because of that. I live in a fairly small town.
So - anyway - back when I thought my back was responsible for increasing pain in my leg that (long story short) a hip replacement took care of, I read the book ‘The Way Out’ by Alan Gordon and subscribed to the Curable App for a year. Although the focus is on training your brain to learn how to overcome parasympathetic pain caused by the brain believing it’s helping you by causing pain to protect you, and NOT caused by structural issues, and, even though I definitely had and have structural issues that cause me pain, learning mind/body practices, really, really helped m learn to re-train my brain so to speak. When you have pain, your brain can get your body into an endless loop of pain that’s hard to get out of. There are often psychological issues one isn’t always aware of that also feed into causing the pain. Being a people pleaser, a perfectionist, etc., to name a couple.
Physical therapy has always helped me with my structural issues as well as yoga did before my back started going more wonky on me starting at age 64. I’m 74 now. While hopefully searching for an adaptive yoga class in my area as I could no longer do regular yoga well, I came across Sherry Zak’s Yoga Vista classes online. She has a ton of free videos on YouTube you can check out. Her classes are geared to those over the age of 50 and many of her online classes have students over the age o 80 in them. The Yoga Vista site has over 1,000 online classes covering a myriad of topic taught by many different teachers. A subscription is only $12.99 a month, less if you purchase quarterly, etc. You can watch them at any time, available 24/7, as often as you want and save your favorites. All you need is a chair and an inexpensive folding chair is spot on. A yoga belt or long scarf is also helpful. All exercises are done either sitting on the chair or holding onto the back of the chair. Chair dances are incredible fun as well. Other classes may be more traditional if one is able to get down on the floor to do them.
What surprised me is that those classes did and do more to relieve my pain than my PT exercises do, plus I have a lot of fun in Sherry’s classes although I also follow some other teachers and try out other offerings on the site. I believe that she offers either one or two weeks free to try out the site. Whether it’s because gentle yoga moves use the entire body and there’s a lot of stretching of the body as well as strengthening of muscles that improves one’s flexibility and use of the body, or if it’s the fun involved while doing it that makes it so helpful, or what, but for me, chair yoga and mind/body brain training are two easy to access and not very expensive things to try to mitigate pain. In the case of the mind body work, some people find total release of pain but I imagine that happens most often for those whose pain is strictly parasympathetic and doesn’t include structural issues that cause pain.
Just a couple of ideas that might help while you try to track down initial causes. Even if you’re able to pinpoint exact causes, sometimes the ability to fix those causes is spotty or incomplete on their own.
It sounds so much like Polymyalgia Rheumatica to me, and you should be seeing a rheumatologist. I have the exact same pain in both sides of my buttocks, and three different neurosurgeons agree that osteoarthritis, scoliosis and spondylothesis are causing this severe pain. It is now in my neck and upper arms. The only thing that helped the pain in the beginning was prednisone. A year and a half later, I still have pain, but not as severe as it was.
have you considered aa new pillow?
Sounds like you have been very proactive in finding some relief. I would caution people not to rush to get the Curable app. In doing my own research I found that the majority of people who paid and got this app discovered two things: first, the program was of little to no help; second, trying to get a refund was usually a nightmare. If you had a positive experience, good for you. You are in the minority.
thanks for sharing this, I have severe osteoarthritis. also, don't want to cover up the problem but fix it or halt it
Osteoarthritis is nasty. I have it in my feet, hands, knees, hips, shoulders, and lumbar spine.
Thank goodness for joint replacements. Ive had my big toes fused (bunionectomy), both knees replaced, and will have a hip replaced in January. I got fed up with injections that only provided partial relief for a month or two.
The only surgery I dread is spinal fusion. Im in v good shape, and my back surgeon has told me that my strong core is protecting my lumbar spine.
Like you, I wanted to fix the problem. Joint replacements in the knee, hip and shoulder are common and for the most part, successful.
Thanks for posting. I have had pains in the right side of my gluteus maximus :))) It's been diagnosed as sciatica. I've had sciatica, treated by a chiropractor. This pain is dull and goes nowhere. I sit on a pillow. Has anyone found relief with a change of mattress? If so, what type of mattress did you purchase?
Thanks & have a blessed day/week!
thank you for sharing. looking at hip replacement down the road
I had a steroid injection a few days ago. Took care of the sciatic pain. Both sides. L5/S1 joint. AMAZING. I've already had many surgeries, etc. But the sciatic popped back up after being gone for many years.