Chronic Buttock Pain
I will do my best to keep this brief, but it is a long story. I have had pain in my buttocks, sometimes hips, groin, sacral area for 5 months, along with tingling in both legs and feet. The pain is most intense in the intergluteal cleft, the area where pressure is applied while sitting. My entire buttock region is sensitive to pressure. The pain in the sacral area comes and goes, and is best described as a burning pain. The majority of symptoms are on my left, but are also on the right side. The groin pain is most often "flashes" of burning.
My first diagnosis was hemorrhoids since the first symptom was burning bowel movements. The burning bowel movements stopped, but then the other buttock pain intensified. In mid January, I had x-rays of my pelvis taken.
"Mild osteophytosis and sclerosis of the SI joints suggesting mild osteoarthritis. There is mild to moderate multilevel degenerative disc disease and facet arthropathy of the lumbar spine most prominent from L4-S1."
The pain started to really focus on a specific spot on my left buttock. It even hurt to just gently rub my finger against.
When I would sit in a car, especially driving, my legs tingle quite severely and the burning pain in my sacrum intensifies. (this also happened when I lay on my back)
By Feb 17, I thought maybe it was ischial bursitis. My doctor prescribed me a short course of steroids, but no change. The next step was MRIs of my pelvis and lumbar region.
IMPRESSION: * At L5-S1, right central disc protrusion deforms the anterior thecal sac and may contact the traversing right S1 nerve root, but the nerve root is not displaced. * At L4-5, posterior annular tear and central disc protrusion are superimposed on circumferential disc bulge. Although this deforms the anterior thecal sac, there is no obvious neural impingement. * L3-4 posterior annular tear and circumferential disc bulge. No neural impingement.
The radiating nerve irritation is on the inside of my thigh, near where the inseam of a pant leg would be, but maybe a little farther on the back of the leg. Sometimes it will go beneath the knee. My ankles have been burning some as well. My feet are often cold.
It was getting to the point where the only position I could be comfortable is laying down. And the only time I could fully escape the pain was during sleep.
On Feb 27, my doctor (nurse practitioner) is stumped and started questioning whether the pain is mental. I ask if we can explore PT, and he refers me. He did note the disc degeneration in my MRI and said he could refer me to a pain management doctor for local injections. I have no idea how that process works and decide to proceed with the PT.
At this time, he had me try Cymbalta but I am pretty certain that it caused some severe insomnia so I stopped taking it after a few days. I was pretty stressed at this time due to an upcoming colonoscopy. The NP continued to question whether this was anxiety or psychosomatic. I had to start taking sleep aids.
PT started on Mar 8. I was excited to get in front of someone who knew more details of the nerves/muscles/spine, and someone who would listen to me. Upon evaluation for the severe pain in the spot in my left buttock, the PT determined that the connection of my hamstring to my pelvis had become frayed or damaged. Certain actions of my hamstring triggered intense pain. We started exercises that focused on the hamstring. We talked about some of the tingling but didn't really address it much. He thought it may have been due to the lack of sleep.
The PT was definitely helping the intense pain spot. I do not recall the level of pain in the rest of the buttock area.
My colonoscopy was on Mar 14 and the results were fine. The few days after this was the only time since late December that I actually felt normal. Then, on Mar 18, I started having neck pain. My PT could not help me with the neck issue at this time since the order was for the buttock pain. Sleep is the only place I could fully escape, so I started sleeping A LOT. At certain times of the day, after I have been upright for a time, I would just have this "sinking" feeling like my entire spine was collapsing. I tried heat, NSAIDs, Apsercreme, nothing really worked well.
Mar 29 was the last day of PT for the specific spot on my buttock. PT performed the same actions as on day 1 and the pain in that spot was no longer triggered. I visited a doctor about my neck. He felt my neck and said that I felt tight (and was sore) on the left side. He said to try more naproxen or ibuprofen. I mentioned the seat and leg pain, and he said to try the gabapentin at night again. I told him my PT said he could help if I had a new order, but he would want x-rays since I told him I knew my neck as deformed (I have autofused vertebrae from birth).
During this time, my neck was my biggest misery, with the other issues still present.
I messaged my doctor again and asked about the buttock and leg issues. He said he could refer me to pain management for injections in my back. I asked him if the assumption then was that this leg tingling is related to my back and he said "he feels that is most likely the cause". I then asked if it would make sense to talk to someone in ortho/neuro about my MRI and symptoms before pursuing the injections.I was referred to an Ortho. While making the appointment, I had to choose what area I wanted to treat.
At that time, my neck was most bothersome, so I started there. During the first visit, I did not see the doctor, but an NP. We looked at my imaging and talked about my neck, the autofused vertebrae, the disc degeneration. I asked some questions about my buttock issue. She suggested that maybe it was an SI joint issue and once again, it was suggested that I visit pain management for injections. She said we could try Celebrex to see if that helped any first. She tested my reflexes and since I was hyperreflexive, ordered a neck MRI and follow up. Two weeks later, I had the MRI and follow-up, this time with the doctor. The issue in my buttocks had intensified, and the neck pain was more intermittent. The doctor said I was not a candidate for surgery on my neck and was experiencing what millions of others are experiencing regarding disc degeneration. He asked what I had tried so far. I said just OTC NSAIDs. He said the next step is PT. As is typical, he was very rushed and I tried to ask questions about my buttock pain, but was not really allowed to get into as much depth as I would have liked. In the end, he added the "lumbar" issue to my PT order.
I started PT again last week. Even after just two sessions, my neck is quite a bit better. I had some very tight muscles in my shoulder region that he was able to loosen up, and has been doing some very light manual traction. He did some provocative tests on my SI, and while not conclusive, there were some results that pointed to an issue. He said that he has only treated SI joint issues a handful of times, and did not think that they often were accompanied with the leg nerve pain. He gave me an SI belt yesterday and said that I should start noticing a difference by the end of the night. I have been wearing it since, and really have not noticed much change yet. It does seem to make me more stable while walking, but the buttock pain while sitting, and at least some level of tingling is still there. I am trying to give it time, even though he said the impact should be noticeable quickly. Honestly, he seems stumped. I trust him very much, and he seems dedicated to trying to help me, but he wants to go down the path of the source just being sitting too much, and I do not think that is the case. I have made an appointment with another PT in town that offers a free consultation to get his take. I have also made an appointment with a massage therapist.
The Celebrex does not seem to be doing anything.
I have been trying to get some clarification from the ortho NP who talked to me the most about my buttocks, but the office is very slow to reply and I only get replies from the nurse assistant and don't even know if my questions are being seen by the NP.
As much as I hate needles, I am not opposed to injections, if we know what needs to be injected. But I would prefer to FIX the issue rather than cover it up. I did get a referral to Pain Management but have not had an appointment set yet.
The last 5 months have been miserable. I am not performing to the level I should be at work or home. I am thankful that I work from home and have flexibility. It is still the worst while driving and I rarely go anywhere anymore. I have missed out on so much, including time with my family. I am wiped out by 5:00 pm and am often in bed by 7:00 or 8:00. Relief from the neck pain is helping, but I cannot escape the buttock pain.
Can anyone provide any insight? Does this sound like an issue with my SI joint? Could those protrusions mentioned on my MRI be the issue? I am so desperate for answers I don't know where to go.
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I am currently in PT 2x/ week for the past 10 weeks for as you describe severe buttock pain which made it difficult to sit through a dinner without ice packs and getting up frequently… difficulty sleeping as diffuse shooting pains occurred down my thighs/ groin…( mri short version showed hamstring insertion fraying/ degeneration moderate gluteal tendinitis;bilaterally; bursitis; DDD labral degeneration) currently being treated at PT with cupping and dry needling w/ electrical stimulation.. very painful but is definitely helping me.. has added basic strengthening exercises past several weeks- I had to stop all conditioning exercises except walking these past 2 months..(history:I had had a hip replacement 3 years ago leaving me with a Miriad of issues & 1/2 inch leg length discrepancy..) I have had chronic SI joint issues for over 20 years- have had SI joint injections.. have had chronic neck pain since that surgery : have had a multitude of steroid injections with no help… meds like Gabapentin methocarbamol meloxicam tramadol help… but look into cupping & dry needling… may be helpful?
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Did you do physical therapy? Psoas stretches usually help the hips. You may still need PT and exercise after debridement surgery as I have learned the hard way. If I sit too long, my hips start hurting again. Injections help, but not necessary for me if I ride a bike or walk enough as "motion is lotion" to your hip socket.
It sounds like inflammation is running wild in your body. Supposedly, grains like in bread or even oatmeal can fuel the inflammation. Also, periodic prednisone for a week during flares would make more sense if you needed more than 3 separate body parts injected ever 3 months. Most doctors will only put you on steroids if you are really bad, but they can keep things in check given it is a safe option for your medical history. If you go to a spine surgeon, they tend to find problems with your spine. Most people over 40 have spinal degeneration somewhere, but they don't have pain. Therefore, it is tough to decide if spine surgery will be helpful. I had SI joint fusion and the pain was the same before and after. It turned to be nerve coming off the sacrum, but it was a peripheral nerve vs central nerve in spine. More spine surgeons than peripheral nerve surgeons, which might explain why more people seem to opt for spinal surgery. Also, most spine surgeons aren't trained well in the problems of the peripheral nervous system. So, you might want to see neurosurgery peripheral nerve specialist to get second opinion.
@paulkem I'm a bit late on reading your post but wanted to share my experience in hopes of helping your situation. I began having right buttock pain several years ago and went through many of the things you have hit on. I was already taking celebrex because I had rheumatoid arthritis from an early age. My pain was not while sitting, it was while standing and walking. I was also exhausted and had always been a night owl, but began going to bed around 7:30-8:00 pm every night. In retrospect, I now see that the pain was wearing me out! It took 4 years for me to get to an orthopedic doctor who took an X-ray and reviewed my MRI of the lumbar region and then told me it was not my hip causing the pain, it was degenerative disc disease putting pressure of the L-5/S-1 nerve roots. He referred me to a neurosurgeon who confirmed the diagnosis and performed surgery. The second I woke from surgery the pain was gone. The neurosurgeon told me after surgery that I only had a tiny piece of disc left at L-5/S-1 and every time I stood up those bones were sliding forward and compressing that nerve. It takes a lot of rehab and following doctor’s orders but after about a year my bone graft had fused completely and I was my old self.
Posterior femoral cutaneous nerve (PFCN) produces pain from sits bone down to the back of knee. It makes you think it is true sciatica, but this nerve tends to get irritated with sitting a lot. Since people in pain, sit a lot, it is a good candidate to look at this nerve. In addition, the pudendal nerve which innervates your private parts can get irritated with sitting on hard surfaces, lifting things, and any sexual activity. You will know if the pudendal nerve is angry as the pain can be quite severe, but the PFCN usually just burns for a day then goes away. I am just giving other differential diagnose possibilities in the hopes your doctors will check for "all possible causes" of your symptoms, which usually doesn't happen unless you visit many types of doctors or highly regarded specialists.
I definitely need PT and haven’t started yet but really need to. I am so weak and deconditioned and need to work on stretching and strengthening to help with daily functioning. I am very limited in what I can do now. I am 54 but feel like in my 80s. Hopefully, PT will help me de-age my body 10+ years.
Have you been seen by a neurologist? This might be a good avenue for another opinion. Another thought is that many pain specialists have training with neurological pain. You could get a consult and decide later if you want to accept injections. I wish you the very best.
@jmalcs I hope you’ve found some relief. Your symptoms sound a lot like what I’m going thru . I have an L5 left side screw loose from an L4-S1 fusion. The groin, anal, leg pain is bad . I’ve tried therapy, water therapy, massage, pelvic , and today had a trial pain stimulator put in. I have to set on a cushion with the tailbone cut out and have slept in a recliner 7 months except for a few weeks when I went to Mayo Clinic I was able to sleep on an air bed . Just a tip I learnt from a therapist double a condom and fill it with 1/4 rubbing alcohol and 3/4water and freeze it make a squishy ice pack suitable to set on for the anal pain