New Updates on LC Diagnosis and Treatments!

Posted by repl @repl, Nov 13 11:17am

I stumbled across these wonderful YouTube videos for LC diagnostics and treatments!



https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867424008869
Wish I would have found these last year!
So wanted to share with everyone 😊

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@friedrich

To repl —

Thank you for the link to the scientific article. I’m reading it now. It’s packed with information, presented in concise, logical way. So, it’s a slow read, but written in a style that I can readily follow.

— friedrich

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Hi Friedrich!
Glad it’s been helpful for you!
Yes, it’s wonderfully categorized and written. I love the charts and summations. They did a great job compiling everything together!

It’s a jewel for us patients to bring to our docs so they can have a guide.

Also, the video DrBeen does is helpful to watch for those with brain fog because he explains it in easy to understand ways.

I hope you find your answers for your LC!

Best Wishes!

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@repl

lol! I wouldn’t say here in the US it’s acknowledged as different types of LC. This paper isn’t considered “standard practice” by any stretch of the imagination! Research and clinical practice are years apart.

Majority of doctors dismiss you - they don’t know what to do for you. And finding ANY doctor who sees patients with LC here is like finding a diamond in the coal mine- rare and precious!

I’ve had to get SUPER creative in finding help. I read the research and then have finally found doctors who will assist me. But this has taken years of commitment and calling and seeing MANY doctors where 1/10 finally listens and is willing to “trial” based on research I give to them.

It’s really hard when brain fog makes finding words difficult and people treat you like you’re an idiot because you can barely communicate! I know, been there!

What’s helped me, especially brain fog has been a process of trialing various medications and herbs. I have gut, brain fog/dizziness, whole body swelling, heart palpitations, and breathing issues, muscle weakness, difficulty sleeping and controlling my body temperature.

Here’s what’s helped over the last year:
Paxlovid (took for 6 months, it cleared my brain fog and took the edge off of my other symptoms but also gave me mild medication induced liver damage-that reversed once stopped taking. Also only was truly effective for like 4 months)

Antibiotics helped a lot too! Helped my heart palpitations, fog, energy. I’ve tried Cipro/flagyl, and doxycycline. But the real game changer for me has been Rifaximin with Berberine, Cinnamon, Resveratrol, CoQ10
I’m going to be adding Adipogenin too.

I have EBV reactivation and gut dysbiosis so these herbals and antibiotics have really worked.

Here’s a great article to try for herbals if you can’t get meds:
https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/16/1/124
But this is mainly for EBV reactivation. However many are antiviral and antibiotic so can hold some promise for Covid too.

I have MCAS as well so I don’t tolerate many herbals and have had to pick through to find ones I’m not allergic to. (There are more potent ones than the ones I’m taking)

Best wishes!

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Many thanks for the long reply…yes I have since done some research on Dr Patterson and see his work has divided opinion…it is difficult to tell if sufferers have really found a ‘cure’ or whether time helped them. After 4 years 9 months LC I am getting rather jaded! As I said where I live not offered Paxlovid, antibiotics etc…just had over 6 different hypertensive drugs for symptoms , been left on 5 simultaneously for 2 years until the TTT specialist removed the beta blocker. I have tried some of the supplements like Nattokinase, anti histamines, Benfotiamine for many months/ years without obvious change. I am also been diabetic, hypothyroid and have fibromyalgia for decades pre LC and have a routine for topping up ferritin, B12, vit D and folate to optimum , higher, levels, but very wary of herbs…not that they don’t work but that they interfere with these existing diseases too. I recently read in a UK National newspaper of a osteopath named Dr.Perrin who was ‘curing’ ME now LC sufferers with a simple head exercise that is supposed to stimulate a blockage in the lymph system…I’ve been doing it for about 5 days and oddly my blood glucose level has changed at the same time needing a rare reduction in insulin by 20%+, might be purely coincidental, but…. Worth a try!

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Wow - that is a great article! It covers all of my symptoms, except thermoregulation, which was not mentioned specifically. Thanks for letting us know about this!

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@moxiel

Wow - that is a great article! It covers all of my symptoms, except thermoregulation, which was not mentioned specifically. Thanks for letting us know about this!

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You’re welcome ☺️
Glad it’s helpful!

For thermoregulation you might want to check out Dr Been and Dr Patterson video where Patterson explains thermoregulation due to vascular inflammation that low dose statins help regulate.

It’s a theory anyways.

Honestly I notice my thermoregulation gets better when I’m taking antibiotics or antivirals. So back to everyone has different variables….

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@wilsonanderson

Many thanks for the long reply…yes I have since done some research on Dr Patterson and see his work has divided opinion…it is difficult to tell if sufferers have really found a ‘cure’ or whether time helped them. After 4 years 9 months LC I am getting rather jaded! As I said where I live not offered Paxlovid, antibiotics etc…just had over 6 different hypertensive drugs for symptoms , been left on 5 simultaneously for 2 years until the TTT specialist removed the beta blocker. I have tried some of the supplements like Nattokinase, anti histamines, Benfotiamine for many months/ years without obvious change. I am also been diabetic, hypothyroid and have fibromyalgia for decades pre LC and have a routine for topping up ferritin, B12, vit D and folate to optimum , higher, levels, but very wary of herbs…not that they don’t work but that they interfere with these existing diseases too. I recently read in a UK National newspaper of a osteopath named Dr.Perrin who was ‘curing’ ME now LC sufferers with a simple head exercise that is supposed to stimulate a blockage in the lymph system…I’ve been doing it for about 5 days and oddly my blood glucose level has changed at the same time needing a rare reduction in insulin by 20%+, might be purely coincidental, but…. Worth a try!

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Hmm, interesting. And great the head exercise is helpful. There’s definitely autonomic dysfunction and neck work can assist in this area, so maybe that’s helping you.

You might want to check out others in the UK who are treating LC. Here’s a link of 2 on YouTube and Dr Been addressing diabetes:


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@repl

Hmm, interesting. And great the head exercise is helpful. There’s definitely autonomic dysfunction and neck work can assist in this area, so maybe that’s helping you.

You might want to check out others in the UK who are treating LC. Here’s a link of 2 on YouTube and Dr Been addressing diabetes:


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Thanks for those links…watched the Ben Sinclair one…Notice they are both working privately…bit pricey. I might contact them to see if they could help me, as their conversation hardly touched my symptoms, and was nothing like their own LC….my worst symptoms relate to BP/HR : high at rest but BP drops dramatically after standing about 8 mins to 61/40, and if I don’t sit quickly I faint.
I’ll look at the diabetic one tomorrow, it’s 0.45 here.

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@dreaminasecond

I'm so grateful to be receiving IVIG for my long Covid and the assortment of autoimmune diseases it has awakened and created. It has saved my life. I would probably be doing somewhat ok if my thyroid were not hyper.

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GammaGuard is helping my immune system become more regulated and less dysfunctional. That day it all right?

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@repl

Hi!
Yeah, he goes kinda fast. It is a statin but sub cholesterol lowering dosage. I believe he uses pravastatin.

I highly recommend reading the article link tho as it has all the current updates on research and causes along with treatments for each cause.

It’s known that long covid has many different profiles and causes that are different for each person, so there’s no ONE treatment for everyone.

The article discusses this in depth along with potential treatments and solutions. It’s a lot to digest all at once. I keep re reading it. But it’s a great resource to share with your doctors and for yourself as an advocate.

I think Dr Patterson’s focus is on those with the mutant macrophages that contain the spike protein, so getting his test or any test that can measure this marker in wbc would help direct treatment. But I highly recommend reading the article and going to the chart that shows the various pathways of long covid.

Dr Been does a great job of explaining the paper and once you read it, it helps to find what your particular brand of long covid might be.

Best wishes for everyone on their healing journeys! And I hope treatments and cures are found soon!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻

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Correction:
He uses Atorvastatin

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@dreaminasecond

GammaGuard is helping my immune system become more regulated and less dysfunctional. That day it all right?

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Hi!
Just curious if you’re using GammaGuard due to underlying autoimmune issues or any other underlying issues beyond long covid? Or just for LC?

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@wilsonanderson

Thanks for those links…watched the Ben Sinclair one…Notice they are both working privately…bit pricey. I might contact them to see if they could help me, as their conversation hardly touched my symptoms, and was nothing like their own LC….my worst symptoms relate to BP/HR : high at rest but BP drops dramatically after standing about 8 mins to 61/40, and if I don’t sit quickly I faint.
I’ll look at the diabetic one tomorrow, it’s 0.45 here.

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I’ve read some people saying their POTS, BP, HR issues subsided with use of Atorvastatin from Dr Patterson’s protocol. They didn’t do the antiviral just the statins and it helped them.
Might be worth a try?

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