Bronchiectasis in teachers & health care workers

Posted by jnmy @jnmy, Nov 4 10:21am

I know someone may have the answer to this question. Is there any research on the prevalence of Bronchiectasis diagnosis in current or former teachers and health care workers? Lots of anecdotal information I bet, but is there data to support it?
If the percentage is significant, could this not be a factor that is considered earlier on in the diagnostic process when people have chronic cough, mucus and other symptoms? I’ve read that more people with Bronchiectasis are 60+ women (and predominantly slim build men) , and those with chronic sinusitis issues, low BMI, pectus excavatum, and mitral valve prolapse and ?
With Bronchiectasis becoming more common or properly diagnosed with better imaging, would Medical teaching facilities create a checklist of possible risk factors for a diagnosis of Bronchiectasis? It’s still a rare chronic lung disease of course relative to COPD and asthma. Just wondering about any possible research data and how that trickles down to family doctors. Thanks.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the MAC & Bronchiectasis Support Group.

@sueinmn

Irene, I think you may be correct.
Almost all of the studies I can find point to "lower socio-economic bracket" as a predictor, which would seem to preclude teachers and many health care workers. But certainly frequent lung infections is one predictor so repeated exposure may be the common factor, not necessarily occupation.
If I were still doing basic research...

Jump to this post

Right. I know for myself I fit all of it- frequent bronchitis and pneumonia, pectus, body type ( except I’m short not tall), teacher in poverty area ( Canadian border of NH), and exposure to birds and the outdoors as a child. They took one look at me at said I was “textbook” MAC ! Oh joy!! I think perhaps body type lends itself to a genetic factor. All I know is that we who have it and bronchiectasis and any other lung bacteria or fungus that is ongoing, would be grateful for a cure as I’m sure any other person with a difficult disease would hope for every day. Irene

REPLY

DXd w/mild BE + MAC 3 years ago at age 67. I was an ER nurse in my early 20’s then Realtor (selling some very old often blighted buildings in New Orleans). I have “mild” cases of chronic sinusitis, lower BMI, pectus excavatum, and mitral valve prolapse. My conditions seem to fit the suggested profile-

REPLY
@lolaf

DXd w/mild BE + MAC 3 years ago at age 67. I was an ER nurse in my early 20’s then Realtor (selling some very old often blighted buildings in New Orleans). I have “mild” cases of chronic sinusitis, lower BMI, pectus excavatum, and mitral valve prolapse. My conditions seem to fit the suggested profile-

Jump to this post

Right, @lolaf I think you fit the risk factors, as do I. The NTM or MAC doesn’t at this point, but who knows down the road.
Now that I’m aware because of the knowledge I’ve gleaned from this forum and research I’ve done, I make choices. So important to still enjoy life, but it is different. We have to make decisions to mitigate some big risk situations.

REPLY
@irene5

Right. I know for myself I fit all of it- frequent bronchitis and pneumonia, pectus, body type ( except I’m short not tall), teacher in poverty area ( Canadian border of NH), and exposure to birds and the outdoors as a child. They took one look at me at said I was “textbook” MAC ! Oh joy!! I think perhaps body type lends itself to a genetic factor. All I know is that we who have it and bronchiectasis and any other lung bacteria or fungus that is ongoing, would be grateful for a cure as I’m sure any other person with a difficult disease would hope for every day. Irene

Jump to this post

@irene5 I hope there is a cure and antibiotic development that will target some of the uncommon bacteria and other fungas etc that colonize people’s lungs.

I’m wary about AI at times, but on the other hand AI assisted research projects could possibly determine how untreated infections and inflammation can lead to Bronchiectasis and possibly decrease the number of ‘idiopathic’ diagnoses of bronchiectasis. More awareness would be raised too and earlier treatment.

It would be amazing if AI could assist with development of new antibiotics. mRNA research is working at developing vaccines that might help too. Let’s hope this science will make a difference.

REPLY
@jnmy

@irene5 I hope there is a cure and antibiotic development that will target some of the uncommon bacteria and other fungas etc that colonize people’s lungs.

I’m wary about AI at times, but on the other hand AI assisted research projects could possibly determine how untreated infections and inflammation can lead to Bronchiectasis and possibly decrease the number of ‘idiopathic’ diagnoses of bronchiectasis. More awareness would be raised too and earlier treatment.

It would be amazing if AI could assist with development of new antibiotics. mRNA research is working at developing vaccines that might help too. Let’s hope this science will make a difference.

Jump to this post

Yes indeed!!

REPLY
@lolaf

DXd w/mild BE + MAC 3 years ago at age 67. I was an ER nurse in my early 20’s then Realtor (selling some very old often blighted buildings in New Orleans). I have “mild” cases of chronic sinusitis, lower BMI, pectus excavatum, and mitral valve prolapse. My conditions seem to fit the suggested profile-

Jump to this post

I am also a retired RN of 30 years, age 63. Just diagnosed with BE (1 year ago) and MAC in June ‘24 by bronchoscopy; after CT scans every 3 months for a year revealed worsening pulmonary nodules. I had pneumonia by chest X-ray almost 2 years ago. It was treated with a simple 5 day Z-pack. Incidentally, a baseline chest CT was recommended due to my strong family history of Lung Cancer. My Mother, Father, my sister and 2 brothers all died of Lung cancer. I am starting to have panic with my recent diagnosis. I just started antibiotic treatment 1 week ago (10-28-24) for MAC. I just discovered your group yesterday and no longer feel like “the Lone Ranger.” Thank you, all!

REPLY
@jnmy

Yes @tcd518 tgere is the issue of access to healthcare. But lack of aware of Bronchiectasis as a chronic lung disease is missing although next to COPD and asthma, it is often mentioned in medical journals and on medical websites.

Jump to this post

I think that we need to think about awareness by providers as an exercise in probabilities.

When it comes to lung conditions, depending on age, symptoms and general health, the most common causes are considered and treated first - in order of commonality, these would be virus, bacterial infection, allergy, asthma, sinusitis or GERD causing drainage to the lungs, COPD, Emphysema or chronic bronchitis and lung cancer, each of which affects millions of people in the US, and is seen daily by primary providers. These are the conditions that should be top-of-mind when they see patients.

Way down the list, each affecting one-half million people or fewer, would be Bronchiectasis, Pulmonary Fibrosis and Cystic Fibrosis. That is where specialists come in - they have the training to diagnose and treat these rare conditions.

Just to put a number on it, there are an estimated 350,000-500,000 with Bronchiectasis in the US and about 100,000 or so with NTM. In comparison, there are 25 million with Asthma, and about 15 million each with COPD or Emphysema/chronic bronchitis.

Primary medical care is too overwhelmed and understaffed to expect them to know everything, or even to have the time to learn and use every diagnostic tool or medical article that comes along.

I think where the under-diagnosis comes in is with primary providers who are reluctant to order more diagnostics (insurance issue) or to recognize they need another set of eyes, or with practices that are afraid of insurers and their response to "too many referrals", or patients who resist referral due to costs or the hassle of getting appointments.

There are no easy answers here, but adding more to the primary care burden is just not likely to be fruitful.

REPLY
@yaduhyaduhsquawk

I am also a retired RN of 30 years, age 63. Just diagnosed with BE (1 year ago) and MAC in June ‘24 by bronchoscopy; after CT scans every 3 months for a year revealed worsening pulmonary nodules. I had pneumonia by chest X-ray almost 2 years ago. It was treated with a simple 5 day Z-pack. Incidentally, a baseline chest CT was recommended due to my strong family history of Lung Cancer. My Mother, Father, my sister and 2 brothers all died of Lung cancer. I am starting to have panic with my recent diagnosis. I just started antibiotic treatment 1 week ago (10-28-24) for MAC. I just discovered your group yesterday and no longer feel like “the Lone Ranger.” Thank you, all!

Jump to this post

Please, please don't panic! We're here to provide encouragement, share experiences and send virtual hugs. Each of us will admit to fear, panic, confusion in the early days after diagnosis. But we eventually learn what works for us and how to live with our "new normal", and many of us are leaning on 5-20 years of experience and still here. I am typing one fingered with my dominant arm in a sling, so I can't give you my usual links. But if you search in the search ox above for ABC's of MAC and Bronchiectasis" and "MAC is defferent for everyone " you'll find some basic info.

Also, we rely on daily airway clearance as one of the basics in managing Bronchiectasis long term. Have you learned about it yet?

REPLY
@sueinmn

I think that we need to think about awareness by providers as an exercise in probabilities.

When it comes to lung conditions, depending on age, symptoms and general health, the most common causes are considered and treated first - in order of commonality, these would be virus, bacterial infection, allergy, asthma, sinusitis or GERD causing drainage to the lungs, COPD, Emphysema or chronic bronchitis and lung cancer, each of which affects millions of people in the US, and is seen daily by primary providers. These are the conditions that should be top-of-mind when they see patients.

Way down the list, each affecting one-half million people or fewer, would be Bronchiectasis, Pulmonary Fibrosis and Cystic Fibrosis. That is where specialists come in - they have the training to diagnose and treat these rare conditions.

Just to put a number on it, there are an estimated 350,000-500,000 with Bronchiectasis in the US and about 100,000 or so with NTM. In comparison, there are 25 million with Asthma, and about 15 million each with COPD or Emphysema/chronic bronchitis.

Primary medical care is too overwhelmed and understaffed to expect them to know everything, or even to have the time to learn and use every diagnostic tool or medical article that comes along.

I think where the under-diagnosis comes in is with primary providers who are reluctant to order more diagnostics (insurance issue) or to recognize they need another set of eyes, or with practices that are afraid of insurers and their response to "too many referrals", or patients who resist referral due to costs or the hassle of getting appointments.

There are no easy answers here, but adding more to the primary care burden is just not likely to be fruitful.

Jump to this post

Thanks @sueinmn I agree with your statement below, especially as it pertains to the US. I think it might be just good luck if you have a primary care doctor who knows something about the condition. MAC is even less common as you have said. My doctor has become more aware now and has promised to give patients earlier access to specific tests. It would have made a difference in the trajectory of the disease for me and I suspect others might be in similar situations. Any increase in awareness will help others.

“I think where the under-diagnosis comes in is with primary providers who are reluctant to order more diagnostics (insurance issue) or to recognize they need another set of eyes, or with practices that are afraid of insurers and their response to "too many referrals", or patients who resist referral due to costs or the hassle of getting appointments.”

REPLY
@sueinmn

Irene, I think you may be correct.
Almost all of the studies I can find point to "lower socio-economic bracket" as a predictor, which would seem to preclude teachers and many health care workers. But certainly frequent lung infections is one predictor so repeated exposure may be the common factor, not necessarily occupation.
If I were still doing basic research...

Jump to this post

I do agree with you so that it has to do with exposure. After 40 years in education and some of them spent teaching kindergarten and spending time on a playground with the dirt being kicked up as they play, the environmental conditions of anyone in that environment, not only has the exposure to the illnesses of the children, the cleanliness or lack there of of the facility, but also the condition of the amenities, such as lunchroom playground, etc. I suspect nursing has some of the same issues. Along with research into frequent exposure, connections to the types of occupations would be helpful in improving insurance coverage and health conditions, as well as perhaps the training for general practitioners to be alert to people in those occupations.

REPLY
Please sign in or register to post a reply.