Exercise

Posted by glinda47 @glinda47, Sep 29, 2024

I am not taking any meds other than Tylenol at bedtime and not a massive dose, just two regular or 1 1/2 xtra strength.
I decided I have to go back to working out as my body needs it and it has kept me somewhat sane and very fit for over 50 years. It's kind of like music in my life, a necessity.
So, this PMR or whatever it is, began in January '24 and I was sidelined until until about July when I decided I had to move more. Began walking, slowly for awhile, now I warm up for a few min and walk pretty fast. 1/2 hour every day. I also do lower body strengthening (bridges, supine leg lifts, etc), chest lifts every morning for a few minutes. Slooooowly trying to get back into wgt lifting but my upper arms are painful so I listen to them but still keep trying. My gut tells me my muscles have GOT to be worked and stretched,
I wonder, for those, getting back into exercise, if you hurt afterwards. I hurt before and after but during, I feel almost normal, which is dangerous. But I know better than to be foolish. I am happiest when I'd doin' my thing, cardo and wgts so full body is getting worked.
How do you all feel after working out? What do you do that helps? Any tips are appreciated. I'm also interested in what you do during workouts. TIA!

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Hello Tucker! I've been feeling a bit sad and depressed this past week after recently being possibly diagnosed with PMR. I've been spending a lot of time researching the condition as well as discovering forums like this one to help me better cope and accept. After reading your response, I found a lot of encouragement because we have traveled similar journeys. At an early age, I had two lower back discs ruptured two years in a row. I decided to take an aggressive action plan and dedicate myself to a life of fitness and health. For the last thirty to thirty-five years, I have become a fitness enthusiast ... weekly bootcamp classes, HIIT classes, heavy gym workouts, rowing marathons, running, sprinting, jumping rope -- you name it, and I probably tried it and / or still do it. A month ago I was at a really good peak of conditioning as I was training for an indoor rowing marathon. A week after the marathon, my body completely shut down and became immobile. It truly scared me. How could I be at the height of my conditioning and then become frail and weak? I visited many doctors and all of them simply felt I had overexerted myself and sent me home with new pain killers (none of them worked). Everything was a physical struggle for me ... walking, getting in and out of my car, getting dressed, picking things off the floor, writing on the whiteboard (I'm a teacher), raising my arms, sitting, standing, putting on shoes ... I went from being able to easily perform 15 to 20 pull-ups and 50 push-ups to not even being able to hold my body weight in plank position or hang on the pull up bar. Last week a doctor suggested that my symptoms might be related to PMR, so like many other people on this site, he prescribed Prednisone. I did regain a lot of mobility quickly, but after reading all the information about Prednisone, I returned to that place of fear and worry again. Perhaps what worries me the most is that fitness and exercise have been my safe place to escape my workaholic lifestyle. I've tried to be very cautious about returning to exercise (especially since I am now 61 years old). Your story honestly gave me a source of hope that I too will be able to once again rejoin the fitness community and the exercise regime that I once enjoyed a few weeks ago. I'm even a certified NASM personal trainer, so all of this is very humbling to me and all the goals I have tried to achieve by aging with a healthy lifestyle. Thank you for sharing your story online, and thank you for being an example of hope for me as I learn to battle and deal with this possible diagnosis. I could really use a friend right now, so I hope my words reach your heart as well. In sincere appreciation!!

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You reached me. Brought a tear to my eye. Medical community has no idea why we got PMR or what causes it. But it does seem to be trigger by some event. Such as over training. Covid shot. Stress. Death of a loved one. Everyone seems to recall some event but who knows. I damaged my knee in high school football. I had 2 reconstructive surgeries. By the age of 50 I had to have it replaced. so you are much more of an athlete than I ever was. My weight lifting and jogging gave me some purpose. I ran one 5k. 17.25. But mostly just for conditioning. I also lifted 3-4 days week. I worked 2 jobs , went to school, and built 5 of my own houses while raising a family. So like you I kept myself busy. I was barely able to get out of bed when PMR hit. Once I diagnosed it data says its not a muscle wasting disease but inactivity can be. I went to daily workouts and tried to work every muscle a little bit. The steroid for me took most of the pain. But I could feel that my muscles were not responding as well. At 70 years old I had also started to slow. I was still bench pressing 225 - 10 reps at 70. I had days that I could barely get the bar off the bench. My wife was on steroids. I know steroids. So I was determined to be pain free but quickly manage my steroid intake. This takes some work. Google prednisone and cortisol. Prednisone becomes a lot more of a monster than the PMR. Many on this site are excellent sources of information. I personally think now that PMR has struck you may need to try and not be all that you were. I was 70 yrs old. Your still a pup. But I can see a future where everyone looks up to you in your old age and wish they had kept themselves as well as you have. PMR is not a death sentence.

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thanks for your concern. I have always had high cholesterol. I tried lipitor 25 years ago and it made me really sick. I cant take a statin. So I thought a 230-240 total cholesterol was not bad. I was not treating it. Then I find out I had all this blockage. I found that out because the steroids from PMR made my cholesterol go up to 300. So they sent me to a cardiologist who discovered the blockage. I had all this work done at Mayo clinic. Mayo put me on Repatha. A once a month injection. No side effects so far. My total cholesterol is 120 and LDL is 55. My 2 year scan recently was clean. GBM is a terminal cancer. She is on hospice. They gave her 6 months almost 4 years ago.

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@tuckerp
You are taking such good care of yourself and your lady, which is why she has beat those odds!
And you come on here and give such good information and advice.
You are good, Tuckerp!

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Profile picture for lawrence21 @lawrence21

Hello Tucker! I've been feeling a bit sad and depressed this past week after recently being possibly diagnosed with PMR. I've been spending a lot of time researching the condition as well as discovering forums like this one to help me better cope and accept. After reading your response, I found a lot of encouragement because we have traveled similar journeys. At an early age, I had two lower back discs ruptured two years in a row. I decided to take an aggressive action plan and dedicate myself to a life of fitness and health. For the last thirty to thirty-five years, I have become a fitness enthusiast ... weekly bootcamp classes, HIIT classes, heavy gym workouts, rowing marathons, running, sprinting, jumping rope -- you name it, and I probably tried it and / or still do it. A month ago I was at a really good peak of conditioning as I was training for an indoor rowing marathon. A week after the marathon, my body completely shut down and became immobile. It truly scared me. How could I be at the height of my conditioning and then become frail and weak? I visited many doctors and all of them simply felt I had overexerted myself and sent me home with new pain killers (none of them worked). Everything was a physical struggle for me ... walking, getting in and out of my car, getting dressed, picking things off the floor, writing on the whiteboard (I'm a teacher), raising my arms, sitting, standing, putting on shoes ... I went from being able to easily perform 15 to 20 pull-ups and 50 push-ups to not even being able to hold my body weight in plank position or hang on the pull up bar. Last week a doctor suggested that my symptoms might be related to PMR, so like many other people on this site, he prescribed Prednisone. I did regain a lot of mobility quickly, but after reading all the information about Prednisone, I returned to that place of fear and worry again. Perhaps what worries me the most is that fitness and exercise have been my safe place to escape my workaholic lifestyle. I've tried to be very cautious about returning to exercise (especially since I am now 61 years old). Your story honestly gave me a source of hope that I too will be able to once again rejoin the fitness community and the exercise regime that I once enjoyed a few weeks ago. I'm even a certified NASM personal trainer, so all of this is very humbling to me and all the goals I have tried to achieve by aging with a healthy lifestyle. Thank you for sharing your story online, and thank you for being an example of hope for me as I learn to battle and deal with this possible diagnosis. I could really use a friend right now, so I hope my words reach your heart as well. In sincere appreciation!!

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Hi to both of you. While my situation is a bit different than yours, I am going to respond. I am 77, female, in good physical condition and an exerciser (hiking, walking, golfing, yoga and work outs with a PT.) Diagnosed with PMR about 18 months ago. As an aside I attributed the onset to a very strenuous bout of snowshoeing in very deep VT snow for 2 hours, what was I thinking). The rheumatologist prescribed prednisone for the pain. Of course I researched the side effects but I absolutely needed relief. With the pain gone I was able to continue my exercise routine although I did read that extreme exercise was not helpful for keeping the PMR at bay. Also, I really tried to subscribe to an anti inflammatory diet, mostly the Mediterranean diet without any salt or sugar. Fast forward, since June I have been off prednisone but my hip joint stiffness has come back, not with a vengeance but it’s always there. I have been told it can take up to 6 months for the adrenal glands to get working again. So I exercise, take advil, and try to avoid inflammatory foods. It truly does’t seem fair that you all who are in tip top physical shape have to deal with the pain of PMR. Unfortunately, life is not always fair and we just have to find support (Mayo Clinic!) and motor on. I have found this site to be extremely helpful and supportive. Good luck. Liz W.

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I started strength resistance training, impact, balance, and posture, 2 years ago when I was diagnosed with osteoporosis. I really increased the amount of workout time and the amount of effort about a year and a half ago. I was never sore after I worked out because I had a personal trainer who worked with me to make sure I wasn't doing something that was too much or too many reps. As my trainer changes my program every 6 to 8 weeks I increase the weights after I feel comfortable and or the wraps. The only time that I'm sore after a workout is if I've done too much or if I've walked too many miles too quickly. However I always warm up before I work out and stretch afterwards hopefully that's helping

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I started strength resistance training, impact, balance, and posture, 2 years ago when I was diagnosed with osteoporosis. I really increased the amount of workout time and the amount of effort about a year and a half ago. I was never sore after I worked out because I had a personal trainer who worked with me to make sure I wasn't doing something that was too much or too many reps. As my trainer changes my program every 6 to 8 weeks I increase the weights after I feel comfortable and or the wraps. The only time that I'm sore after a workout is if I've done too much or if I've walked too many miles too quickly. However I always warm up before I work out and stretch afterwards hopefully that's helping

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@maryandnans May I ask if you are and were taking osteo meds? I was diagnosed in '17 and have not taken them. Also never took steroids for PMR.
Lucky you to have found a good trainer. I gave up after trying 7 different Physical Therapists and a couple of personal trainers, also 1 Pilates instructor (licensed, etc) who promised she could help me put together an osteo-safe regimen. All 7 promised that but then refused when I got there in person. Very frustrating.
Living in DC metro area, one would think that was a no-brainer.
I just do the best I can, am careful and really research everything.

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@maryandnans May I ask if you are and were taking osteo meds? I was diagnosed in '17 and have not taken them. Also never took steroids for PMR.
Lucky you to have found a good trainer. I gave up after trying 7 different Physical Therapists and a couple of personal trainers, also 1 Pilates instructor (licensed, etc) who promised she could help me put together an osteo-safe regimen. All 7 promised that but then refused when I got there in person. Very frustrating.
Living in DC metro area, one would think that was a no-brainer.
I just do the best I can, am careful and really research everything.

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@glinda47
I have not taken OP drugs. I will find out if all my work is helping my osteoporosis in May. When I first started I started with brickhouse Bones on Facebook. Dr Lisa Moore is the personal trainer there and she also has low bone mass. She also has a YouTube channel that has all her exercises on it. Then after I did that for a while that's when I started with the personal trainer and I had some knowledge of exercises that I should not do because of the osteoporosis. If you can't find somebody that you trust I would suggest start with her work at your house and then see you learn some knowledge and then go from there. Some things I have to remind my trainer that it is not okay to do with osteoporosis and she changes it up.

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Reading these posts today were a quite timely for me. I am 78 year old female, diagnosed with PMR a year ago, have tapered to 2 mg prednisone and determined to go to zero. I am willing to endure some pain. I had a flare around holidays and realized it was due to stress. I changed things in my life to reduce stress and it worked. I had a bout with the flu but got over that. I had my COVID shot with no side effects. Now I focusing on returning to regular exercise but am having difficulty knowing what is too much and what is not enough. I am starting back on weight machines and reduced weight and it is going just fine. A bit stiff but not bad. I went swimming yesterday and this morning had more pain. It is more difficult to cut back with water exercises. I don't feel it while doing exercises and I really enjoy being in the water. I am trying to decide if I need a fitness coach and where to find one. Are physical therapists knowledgeable about PMR so that would be an option?

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@glinda47
I have not taken OP drugs. I will find out if all my work is helping my osteoporosis in May. When I first started I started with brickhouse Bones on Facebook. Dr Lisa Moore is the personal trainer there and she also has low bone mass. She also has a YouTube channel that has all her exercises on it. Then after I did that for a while that's when I started with the personal trainer and I had some knowledge of exercises that I should not do because of the osteoporosis. If you can't find somebody that you trust I would suggest start with her work at your house and then see you learn some knowledge and then go from there. Some things I have to remind my trainer that it is not okay to do with osteoporosis and she changes it up.

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@maryandnans Dr Lisa is highly recommended by so many different people and groups. I have watched some of her videos. I appreciate your also recommending her. Maybe time to work her into my program.
I did notice some of her moves that I thought were too aggressive for me. But, of course, as with you, you don't do those.
I would love to find someone to work with me but the one or two I've found are states away. They will teach online, but I'm really not thrilled with that format when it comes to something as important as osteo. I think you really have to be in person, best case scenario!
Thanks so much for responding. And I wish you great health, joyful times and a long and fracture-free future.

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I don't know what did more harm --- PMR or prednisone.

Since PMR is a condition that usually doesn't cause permanent damage to joints or muscles then I need to hold prednisone responsible for some of the harm. In my case, some of the blame must be pinned on inflammatory arthritis too. I hope underlying inflammatory arthritis isn't pertinent to most people with PMR.

I'm off prednisone but my rheumatologist says I still have PMR. I'm still being treated for PMR but I'm on a biologic instead of prednisone. I want to put prednisone behind me along with my battle with daily pain. Yes, prednisone relieved most of my pain. However, if I didn't take prednisone the pain would return. Frankly, the pain would return before it was time for my next prednisone dose. I waged this battle for more than 12 years.

The biologic I currently take for PMR has helped me tremendously. Not being treated with prednisone has made a world of difference in my ability to exercise. I can do so much more now compared to when I was still taking prednisone. When I was still on prednisone, I didn't exercise at all because the fatigue was just too overwhelming. The fatigue had to be caused by adrenal insufficiency assuming I still have PMR like my rheumatologist says.

My excercise is mostly aquacise these days but I also do resistance exercise with elastic bands. I also do aerobic excercise doing the treadmill, steps, and push-ups. I can do 50 pull-ups in the water which really helps my ego!

A physical therapist supervises an exercise class that I attend. I do at least an hour or more every day doing "something" that I consider to be exercise. I don't worry about overdoing anything or pacing myself. However, the exercise I currently do is a far cry from what I used to do when I was younger. I just turned 70 so I try to keep what exercise is feasible in perspective considering my age.

The biggest difference I notice is my recovery time. I can push myself pretty hard and I recover quickly. When I did anything remotely strenuous when I was on prednisone it would wipe me out immediately and I didn't recover until I slept for a few hours.

Delayed-onset muscle soreness (DOMS) is muscle pain that begins after you've worked out. It "normally" starts a day or two after a workout. I felt muscle pain within a few hours and it persisted for days so it wasn't normal. Sometimes I needed to increase my prednisone dose the next day if I did something too taxing. Almost anything required a lot of work so I avoided doing anything at all.

Now I have "normal DOMS" which actually makes me feel good. I feel like I accomplished something now when my muscles are a little sore the next day. I think prednisone wasted away my muscles and now I see a bit of muscle tone which is good for an old guy.

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Thanks Mike; this is encouraging and helpful. Everyone's journey is so different, but I love the will to fight fight fight!

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Reading these posts today were a quite timely for me. I am 78 year old female, diagnosed with PMR a year ago, have tapered to 2 mg prednisone and determined to go to zero. I am willing to endure some pain. I had a flare around holidays and realized it was due to stress. I changed things in my life to reduce stress and it worked. I had a bout with the flu but got over that. I had my COVID shot with no side effects. Now I focusing on returning to regular exercise but am having difficulty knowing what is too much and what is not enough. I am starting back on weight machines and reduced weight and it is going just fine. A bit stiff but not bad. I went swimming yesterday and this morning had more pain. It is more difficult to cut back with water exercises. I don't feel it while doing exercises and I really enjoy being in the water. I am trying to decide if I need a fitness coach and where to find one. Are physical therapists knowledgeable about PMR so that would be an option?

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@csimmonds
Is it PMR pain or exercise pain, or cortisol withdrawal.
I’m 79yo female, and found it was usually exercise pain, trying to get back on the horse too quick.
Options I use…..
Aqua pt…..exercises in pool
Functional movement specialist……a trainer with more depth of body functions
Good luck

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