Does anyone have both Parkinsonism and Myasthenia Gravis?

Posted by Laurie J Van Roekel @laurievr, Jun 24 5:17pm

I was thought to have Myasthenia Gravis and so my neurologist sent me to Mayo to be tested. I was diagnosed with Parkinsonism instead. He seems skeptical, but has me taking Sinemet. It is too soon to tell if it works. Any ideas?

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@laurievr

Wow, you had to go through a lot to get diagnosed! For a few years now, my local (and excellent) neurologist has thought I had MG, but he insisted I go to Mayo Clinic to be tested. I finally was able to go about 3 weeks ago now, and was totally surprised that I have PD. The blood tests, and several other tests, especially the EMG ruled out MG. When I got home, my neurologist was surprised at the PD diagnosis, but the Mayo doctor saw symptoms I didn't know I have, which were a slight movement in my head, pill-rolling, and not swinging my left arm when I walk. What he didn't see was my difficult walking, but as I walked more that day, my legs got stiff and i could barely walk, so my husband put me in a wheelchair so we could get around.
I ask about having both because I am not sure my neurologist is convinved it is PD, but he prescribed Sinemet and I am taking it slowly, adding 1/2 a pill to 3x/day and working up to 1 pill 3x a day. I saw my ophthamologist this week, and he prescribed an update on my prisms in my glasses and will se me again in a few months to see how that goes. He has done corrective surgery on my eyes nefore but it didn't last, which he tould me that if I have MG, it won't last.
I am glad that you have been proactive in seeking help, as I continue to do the same thing.!

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Thanks for the very informative reply! Exercise keeps me going, when I have a lot of stiffness, and have trouble walking. I just finished several months of physical therapy, that has helped me to regain a better walking gait! Good luck! I may have PD, but it doesn’t have me, is my attitude every day!

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@hopeful33250

Hello @foundryrat743

Your post speaks to the need to persist when you have a myriad of neurological symptoms that evade a diagnosis. I admire your persistence. It is especially good that you were willing to move to an area that had more sophisticated medical centers with more specialists. Not everyone is able to make that kind of a move.

I'm glad that Sinemet has helped you. Once you find a new specialist in your area perhaps you can ask for a referral for physical therapy for PD patients. Have you had any physical therapy yet that is specific for PD?

I look forward to hearing from you as you continue to look for answers from an ophthalmologist as well as your neurologist. Will you post again?

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Yes, Teresa, I just finished several months of physical therapy! I had been slowing down, with my walking, taking smaller steps, and a hunched over posture. I cseemed unable to speed up my walking, where I would have a more normal gait! The hospital here has an excellent neurological rehab program. My Neurologist referred me to a balance and neuroplastic walking/training reprogramming planned physical therapy regimen. I was surprised! I decided to persevere, in spite of some of the difficult exercises. The program worked for me, and I continue to follow exercising, with You Tube videos, posted from The Parkinson’s foundation! Remarkably, I an able to walk almost normally again, where I can speed up if I have to, and feel that I have better control of my ability to ambulate better! Thank you for your continued interest in my journey of living with Parkinson’s Disease!

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@foundryrat743

Yes, Teresa, I just finished several months of physical therapy! I had been slowing down, with my walking, taking smaller steps, and a hunched over posture. I cseemed unable to speed up my walking, where I would have a more normal gait! The hospital here has an excellent neurological rehab program. My Neurologist referred me to a balance and neuroplastic walking/training reprogramming planned physical therapy regimen. I was surprised! I decided to persevere, in spite of some of the difficult exercises. The program worked for me, and I continue to follow exercising, with You Tube videos, posted from The Parkinson’s foundation! Remarkably, I an able to walk almost normally again, where I can speed up if I have to, and feel that I have better control of my ability to ambulate better! Thank you for your continued interest in my journey of living with Parkinson’s Disease!

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So glad to hear that the exercises were helpful and that you are continuing to exercise. Exercise, combined with medication, is one of the best ways to slow down the disability associated with PD.

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@laurievr

At Mayo, along with other tests, the EMG proved I do not have MG. The main doctor I saw could see small movements I didn't know I had, such as pill-rolling, a slight tremor in my head, and not swaying my left arm when I walked. My legs are a big issue, getting stiff if I walk too much or pressure is put on them. I am now taking Sinemet in the lower dose and will work up to a higher dose each week, as suggested by the doctor. My local neurologist is excellent, but was surprised by the PD diagnosis. He has prescribed the Sinemet.

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I'm glad to hear that you have a correct diagnosis now, @laurievr.

I would like to hear how you are doing as you being to treat the PD. Will you continue to post with updates as you increase the Sinemet dose?

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@jrwilli1

My husband has had Parkinson’s for 8 yrs and yes the sinemet helped right away. Through the years we have had to change dosage but it has helped with a lot of his symptoms. Hang in there. And get involved in some kind of exercise programs for Parkinson’s.

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I really appreciate your reminder about getting involved in some kind of exercise program, @jrwilli1. The combination of exercise and medication are best way to deal with the disabilities and discomfort the comes with PD.

There are so many exercise programs available through physical therapy, community exercise programs, through the YMCA (pedaling for Parkinson's) as well as on YouTube.

Which exercise program has been most helpful for your husband?

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He does the CLIMB program through the Indiana parkinson foundation. He can’t do the boxing because he takes eliquis since he had a blood clot during his recovery from bone marrow cancer. He really likes the class since it helps with balance, stretching and reeducations his muscles. She even taught him how to fall. Which he needed when our 4 year old granddaughter ran out in front of him and accidentally tripped him. Neither were hurt thankfully.

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@jrwilli1

He does the CLIMB program through the Indiana parkinson foundation. He can’t do the boxing because he takes eliquis since he had a blood clot during his recovery from bone marrow cancer. He really likes the class since it helps with balance, stretching and reeducations his muscles. She even taught him how to fall. Which he needed when our 4 year old granddaughter ran out in front of him and accidentally tripped him. Neither were hurt thankfully.

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That sounds like a very interesting program, @jrwilli1. I had not heard of the CLIMB program but I found some information about it on their website. For anyone who is interested in trying an exercise program, here is the link with more information
https://www.indianaparkinson.org/welcome-to-indiana-parkinson-foundation/
Learning how to fall is an important skill for all of us as we get older. How long has he been involved with this exercise program?

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@hopeful33250

I'm glad to hear that you have a correct diagnosis now, @laurievr.

I would like to hear how you are doing as you being to treat the PD. Will you continue to post with updates as you increase the Sinemet dose?

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Yes, I will. I am going to add 1/2 pill slowly o I don't get stomach upset. Thank you for asking.

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@foundryrat743

I had Parkinson’s symptoms, for about 5 years before I was diagnosed. We lived in a small town, in those early years, and there were no neurological specialists, that practiced there! My family doctor never mentioned Parkinson’s Disease, as a cause, for my myriad symptoms. My symptoms started approx. 12 years ago, with altered taste sensation. Then I started having constipation and resting tremors with my right hand ( like pill rolling movement ). I’d already had essential tremor in my hands, so I don’t think my Family Doctor paid much attention to the resting tremor. After a couple years, I was getting stiffness in my legs, and predominantly left leg and arm. After about a year, of the stiffness getting worse, and my gait becoming slower, my wife noticed I sometimes dragged one leg. Then rigidity started setting in, where I had cogwheel rigidity in my arms and legs, where I was having jerky movement, when extending arms and legs! My balance seemed to be getting a little worse, in the 3rd year, of symptoms. Then, in the 4th year, things got much worse. I got numbness and peripheral neuropathy in my hands and lower legs and feet, and I started falling! My first couple falls, felt weird, because I hesitated, while walking, and when leaning forward, I lost my balance, and started falling, but managed to break my fall, and not get hurt. The sensation of hesitating got worse, and, in the 5th year, of symptoms, I actually froze, for about a minute, when I was out walking, two dogs. I had their leashes wrapped around my wrist, so that they couldn’t run loose. Thank goodness for that, because at the conclusion of that freezing moment, with the dogs pulling a bit, wanting to get going, I actually was so ‘frozen in place, and stiff’ that I fell forward, and couldn’t move anything, to break my fall, and I ended up face planting on the road concrete! It was a horrible feeling for me, because I felt paralyzed! Unfortunately, I blacked out, with a concussion. The dogs couldn’t run away, and I was unconscious for just a brief amount of time! I reckon no cars came by, or no one saw what happened to me. My house was just about 500 feet away, so, I struggled to get up. If I could just make it to the house. My face was bleeding! I had a huge swelling on my forehead, when I landed on the pavement! I had a splitting headache, My face was scraped up. Luckily, I don’t think I had any broken bones! The dogs are small pets, and they behaved fairly well, considering what had just happened. I sorta dragged myself home, and my wife took one look at me, could tell I was hurt badly, so she got me in the car, and drove me to the local hospital ER. The hospital was only about 6 blocks away. Once I was admitted to the ER, they took a cat scan, and I had a heart ultrasound. Also, they gave me an EEG, and an EKG. The ER Doc said that was the biggest hematoma, he’d ever seen on a patient’s forehead. So, I was diagnosed with blunt force trauma, and a concussion! After being sent home, several hours later, both of my eyes were turning black and blue, and muscles in my legs and hands, were super sore! About 8:30pm, my son-in-law stopped over. He did not know that I had fallen and had a concussion! He took one look at me, totally surprised, and said “What happened to you?” My son-in-law just happens to be an MD! He was doing rounds, on the hospital floors, at the same time, as I was in the ER, but I didn’t know he was there, and he didn’t know I was there! So, I explained what happened, and how I fell, walking the dogs, and ending up with a concussion! So, in spite of all these symptoms becoming apparent over several years, culminating in this serious injury/fall, still there was no reason given to me, by my Family Doctor, or even speculation voiced by my son-in-law, as to what was causing my symptoms. After this last fall, my daughter stated that she had enough, and wanted my wife and I to move to the big city, about 120 miles away, where there is a regional hospital. They have many specialists at the regional hospital. Shortly after I had that fall, where I had the concussion, my son-in-law was offered a job, as an MD Hospitalist at the big city Regional Hospital! My son-in-law accepted the position, and they moved to the big city, within a couple months. My wife and I moved to the same city, after we sold our hone, a few months later. As soon as we moved up there, my daughter lined me up to see a reputable Internist MD, and when I saw him, and he got my history, and examined me, when he saw the resting tremor, my stiff walking, and, especially, the cogwheel rigidity, the Internist told me, that he suspected that I have Parkinson’s Disease. That certainly was a shock to me, because I had not known of anybody who had PD! All I knew, was that it was a dreaded, serious, Neurodegenerative disease! i tried not to show any emotion to the Doctor, when he said those words Parkinson’s Disease’. Then, the Internist said that he was going to call one of the best Neurologist’s in the city, right away, and that I was to just stay in the exam room, and he would be right back. So, when he came back, about 15 minutes later, the Internist told me that the neurologist that he wanted me to see, was out of town, for several weeks, so, because he felt that I needed to be seen, soon, he set up an appointment with another neurologist, a veteran Doctor, fot the next day! When I saw the neurologist, the next day, he confirmed the diagnosis, by stating that he would agree with what the Internist said; however, he would put me on a regimen of Sinemet, and if my symptoms improved, significantly, then that would prove the diagnosis of Parkinson’s Disease. So, Sinemet has helped me and, as my PD has progressed, to include non-motor symptoms, I am now taking 3 tablets of Sinemet, 3 times a day. The double vision symptoms, along with the ptosis (drooping eyelid), occurred for the first time, about 2 years ago. Ocular Myasthenia Gravis is still a possible diagnosis, and I have an appointment with an ophthalmologist set up, soon, so we will see how that goes. Thank you for your supportive input! Wishing you the best!

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Wow where I am from ,it seems like the drs. here where i am from are pd crazy ! By that I mean that is all they they want to diagnose me with is Parkinson's . I am on my 4th neurologist. But this last one told me my gate when I walk is not like a person having Parkinson's. I am going to be happier with this Dr. He at least recognizes the fact that I have had 2 back surgeries and i have arthritis all over my body Please excuse my terrible typing ! I have one arm not working well because I had a total reverse shoulder replacement 16 days ago and
I am doing very well ! Good luck to you all! oh and by the way I had both of my shoulders done at Mayo in Rochester and am I one happy woman !

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@clippertwo

Wow where I am from ,it seems like the drs. here where i am from are pd crazy ! By that I mean that is all they they want to diagnose me with is Parkinson's . I am on my 4th neurologist. But this last one told me my gate when I walk is not like a person having Parkinson's. I am going to be happier with this Dr. He at least recognizes the fact that I have had 2 back surgeries and i have arthritis all over my body Please excuse my terrible typing ! I have one arm not working well because I had a total reverse shoulder replacement 16 days ago and
I am doing very well ! Good luck to you all! oh and by the way I had both of my shoulders done at Mayo in Rochester and am I one happy woman !

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clippertwo, My goodness, you most certainly have had a rough time, lately! No problem with the spelling! I have a similar problem! For a number of years, my left shoulder would go out of socket, in a painful manner, every so often! I have a torn rotator cuff! Also, I have severe arthritis, where my knees are bone on bone! I have loose joints, inherited, that doesn’t help matters! I use a stylus pen, when I type my answers and posts, because of Parkinson’s and essential tremor, so that helps my typing mistakes, sometimes! Perhaps I should consider Mayo Clinic, regarding my shoulder and arthritic problems! Regarding diagnoses, it’s extremely difficult, for many neurologists, to diagnose Parkinson’s, because of the many variabilities of symptoms, that might be Parkinson’s related, or could be another, perhaps, similar, neurological disorder. For example, an initial symptom I had, years ago, was muscle twitching in my forearms particularly. I thought I might be losing some muscle mass, in spite of building muscle, while weight lifting, at the time! Muscle twitching could be a sign of the neorological ailment, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis. However, I did not have muscle weakness. Upon seeing a well respected neurologist, in Cleveland, Ohio, she admitted me to hospital, for tests! I was in hospital for nearly a week, where EEG’s, muscle conduction studies, were performed! I had a CAT scan, and MRI. After all the testing, the neurologist diagnosed me with possible Multiple Sclerosis. I had that diagnosis, for several years, until my symptoms got worse, when I was readmitted to hospital, for more testing! This time, I was referred to a neurosurgeon, Dr. White, Chief, well known in the Neurosurgical Community. Dr. White performed an invasive catheter exploration of my brain arteries, angiography, where they initially had come up with thinking I had a brain tumor, based on an up-to-date MRI! The neurosurgeons found, with the angiogram, that I had an artery that was pressing in on my brainstem, causing msny of my subtle symptoms. At first, they told me, they could operate to relieve the pressure; however, it would be very dangerous to operate on that particular area, the mid brain, at the cerebellar pontine angle, and even if the operation was successful, I might not wake up from anesthesia, because the brain’s consciousness center is in that area! That surprised me, and it was upsetting to hear that I had a condition, considered to be inoperable! So, Dr. White put me on propanolol, and that beta-blocker, plus another blood pressure medicine, Diovan, have kept my blood pressure, and heart rate lower, thus minimizing symptoms, for the last 50 years! So, that is just one of my story’s about the path, to getting the right diagnosis. I have written on this blog, my story of how I got the diagnosis of Parkinson’s Disease, which took about 7 years of living with symptoms, before I was diagnosed! So, the bottom line, is that I understand your frustration, about uncertain diagnosis! The saying goes, ‘having patience is a virtue’! Good luck to you! D

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