Should I consider ablation?

Posted by jimana @jimana, May 10, 2016

jimana
79-year old male Caucasian
Excellent health and regular exercise with history of hypothyroidism. No history of cardiovascular problems. Vegetarian for 16 years, with excellent diet high in fruits and vegetables. No history of hypertension or cardiovascular issues until Feb 21, 16. Life-long boundless energy, almost never tired even after intense physical activity. Post-prandial glucose levels usually at mid- to upper 90s. Former runner with asymptomatic Bradycardia for 45 years. Resting heart rate has been from upper 20s to lower 40s, but immediately responsive on demand.

Feb 21, 16 - Sudden onset of A-fib after a meal. Ambulance to ER, Cardizem brought it under control.
Mar 3, 16 – Echo-cardiogram and treadmill, went into A-fib at end of treadmill but controlled with Valsalva.
- Echo normal (64% EF) and treadmill normal. Heart structurally and functionally normal.
Mar 25, 16 – A-fib. Controlled with Valsalva. Blood, EKG, X-rays normal.
April 25, 16 – A-fib for 10 minutes but controlled with Valsalva.
April 27, 16 – A-fib immediately following a meal while driving. Paramedics called. Pulse in 220 range. Administered Adenosine twice to stop heart. Paddles used three times before sinus rhythm and transport to ER. Blood, EDK and X-rays normal.
April 28, 16 – Next day cardiologist recommended pacemaker and antiarrhythmic.
April 29, 16 – Pacemaker implant and began 50MG Flecainide b.i.d.
May 3, 16 – ER with irregular pulse and BP 228/95. Clonidine and Ativan administered in ER.
May 4, 16 – Flecainide increased to 100MG b.i.d., and metoprolol 25MG b.i.d. begun.

NOW – Feel fine upon arising but within one hour after taking Flecainide and Metoprolol feel weak, dizzy, shortness of breath for two hours. Anxiety high during episodes. Otherwise can walk several miles on treadmill with no problem and BP goes down significantly with exercise. Can’t stand these chemicals and side effects. Looking for alternatives. Should I consider ablation?

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@danab

Hi Mary, i can really relate to your concern. Ive had a total of 9 Ablations and had a pacemaker also. I was not Afib bur ventricular Tachacardia. I will say i truly had 2 very successful ablations i the early years. I then due to my EP dr moving tried a new one. I still believe to this day as i found out after the ablation that i did not need that one he was convinced he could get me off my meds with another ablation. I think he was something of a Maverick and tried to do to much. Well that was 2015 and by November 2017 i did not leave the hospital until. I received my new heart in jan 2018. They tried 5 more ablations but without success and i was getting shocked so much to keep me in rythum . So what im basically saying is if you have had great success with your current dr then trust him. Im still in contact with the dr i originally had for the first 2 ablations and after the fact i was talking to him and he never would have recommended an ablation since honestly i was doing great. With me if my first dr would have suggested it i would have trusted him and he was a type to only do what was needed. I learned a lesson. So my advice is if you have a great history with your current dr go with his or hers advice. If its a new dr i would get second opinions. Btw the dr that did the third ablation is not a Mayo dr. I personally trust all of the drs at Mayo i have worked with. Good luck and were here to help.

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@danah Thanks for sharing your story. I don't have the same problem you did but 9 ablations seems like a bit much. I know there are some EPs out there who have no problem with doing one after another and disagreement about how many is too much. I really don't think doctors can predict any outcomes, they can only hope for the best. I have been told that I have multiple circuits and another ablation will not help much. It is all subjective of course. The resident EP who did my cardioversion thought a 6 month frequency was too much! I am on the other hand quite happy that it has kept me in sinus for 6 months and will be thrilled to get another 6 before having to make a decision about what to do next since the choices aren't great. My current EP is not too keen on another ablation but then again he did not perform the two that I've had since he was not available. In my case ablations are not a permanent fix, just to buy me some time so if it gets be another couple of years it would be great. I might just stop at 3 though. I can always get another opinion and if necessary will seek one at Mayo. Mary

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I am a female, 89 yrs. old in good health except have experienced tachycardia since 37 yrs. old. Now have Afib and have had medications from digitalis to now Metoprolol succinate 50mg. and having horrible time breathing, so have cut dose in half & calling doctor. I have decided to have an AV ( July1, 2019) depending solely on the pacemaker. I am so tired of all the meds and nothing is working especially the Metoprolol. This medicine has not given me quality of life. I hope that the AV will give me back some quality. Anyone have a similar condition?

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Hi:
If you are in great shape then I would definitely go and have it done. I am like you, I wouldn’t want to take all that medications. Take care

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@redhead63

Hi:
If you are in great shape then I would definitely go and have it done. I am like you, I wouldn’t want to take all that medications. Take care

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Dear Redhead63, Thanks. I dislike all medications and try to avoid them. magsmar

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@magsmar

I am a female, 89 yrs. old in good health except have experienced tachycardia since 37 yrs. old. Now have Afib and have had medications from digitalis to now Metoprolol succinate 50mg. and having horrible time breathing, so have cut dose in half & calling doctor. I have decided to have an AV ( July1, 2019) depending solely on the pacemaker. I am so tired of all the meds and nothing is working especially the Metoprolol. This medicine has not given me quality of life. I hope that the AV will give me back some quality. Anyone have a similar condition?

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hello magsmar, the reason, why the cardiologist gave you digitoxin, was , that the betablocker metoprolol alone didn't reduce the atrium fibrillation enough.. digitoxin inhibits the transport of the electric pulses through the AV-node, apart from other effects. especially for older people, like you, who might have a heart failure. you wrote that you are suffering from difficulties with breathing. this is maybe a symptom of heart failure. digitoxin needs time, the half-time is 6-7 days.

My situation is a bit different, 15 months ago I had AV Block -third degree. therefore I needed a pacemaker. the rate of the A-Fib's increased constantly. My heart deteriorated, most probably due to the influence of the fibrillations on the the right chamber (ventricel).
my cardiologist added digitoxin to the betablocker - bisoprolol. I was very "impressed", after 10 days no heart failure symptoms anymore. I'am 73 years old. a control echo of the heart confirmed. I was surprised to read, that digitoxin is also used in the US. it is very old (1885 painted Vincent v. Gogh his French doctor with a branch of digitalis purpurea) , it seems there is a renaissance. I'm very glad that it worked so well.

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@magsmar

Dear Redhead63, Thanks. I dislike all medications and try to avoid them. magsmar

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After emergency check in, 6/10/19, full of fluid, hardly able to breathe (dumb me), I had the AV ablation, June 11. Having some physical adjustments in recovery. My pacemaker is set for 82 and doctor will lower to 72 in a week then to 62 a week after that. Have a dry cough, PVCs once in awhile, lower back ache (left kidney area), taking lasix and potassium, no beta blockers, taking Xarelto & supplements. Checkiing with PCP Monday. Praying that all (evens out)!

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@lalton

I am an 82 year old male in good health and condition and have been having afib for about one year and 19 occurances The most recent month I have had 4 occurrences and the last one lasted 17.5 hours. I have been hoping to figure out what is causing it; too many supplements, stress, sleep, diet, etc., but am not having any luck so far. I have heard that a new trend is to use ablation instead of medication. When should I consider medication and/or ablation since afib is probably causing heart damage?

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@lalton You pose an interesting question about how long a patient should proceed with one type of therapy for a problem before considering other methods (especially when the current plan is not producing the improvements hoped for) . Have you discussed ablation with your cardiologist or sought a second opinion? Thanks for posing this question.

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@lalton

I am an 82 year old male in good health and condition and have been having afib for about one year and 19 occurances The most recent month I have had 4 occurrences and the last one lasted 17.5 hours. I have been hoping to figure out what is causing it; too many supplements, stress, sleep, diet, etc., but am not having any luck so far. I have heard that a new trend is to use ablation instead of medication. When should I consider medication and/or ablation since afib is probably causing heart damage?

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Welcome to Connect, @lalton. As Teresa said, you pose a very good question "When should a person consider medication and/or ablation since afib is probably causing heart damage?"
I'd like to introduce you to other members who have talked about a-fib and ablations here in the community, and who may be able to shed light on this question given their experiences. Please meet @martishka @twptrustrek @jhoffmanj @irishblueileen @billmichalski @success101 and @nadine66 in addition to Teresa who you've already met.

You may also wish to review the conversations in these discussion threads in the Heart group.
- AFib questions http://mayocl.in/29iD8aJ
- Should I consider ablation? http://mayocl.in/28ReaNr

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I am an 82 year old male in good health and condition and have been having afib for about one year and 19 occurances The most recent month I have had 4 occurrences and the last one lasted 17.5 hours. I have been hoping to figure out what is causing it; too many supplements, stress, sleep, diet, etc., but am not having any luck so far. I have heard that a new trend is to use ablation instead of medication. When should I consider medication and/or ablation since afib is probably causing heart damage?

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I'm 67 and was diagnosed with AFib 5 years ago after I received a stent for a blockage. It started when I experienced some fluttering, was put on meds and that has managed the Afib very well. Had a check up 6 months ago no problem, had an exam one Monday with ECG my heart was in Afib, I had no idea I felt great. My cardiologist ordered blood thinners, maintained my normal meds and then suggested Ablation. Seemed like a real jump to me but I let him refer me to the University of Missouri Medical Center. I've never had any major issues even though my heart very infrequently has gone into Afib (haven't experienced any fluttering since I've been on meds) and I'm very active. I'm a little concerned regarding the risks and success rates of Ablation. I'm also concerned about the cost, I'm retired on Medicare + supplement and I'm really leaning towards just maintaining through medication. Looking for everyones thoughts.

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