Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain

Posted by John, Volunteer Mentor @johnbishop, Sep 10, 2020

When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.

Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.

I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.

You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.

Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.

Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?

Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.

Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?

Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?

Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?

Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.

Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.

John

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Neuropathy Support Group.

@johnbishop

I was diagnosed with a nerve conduction test along with some blood tests and a physical exam for my idiopathic small fiber neuropathy but I think the skin punch biopsy is the gold standard test for nerve damage. I think it might be a good question to discuss with your doctor.

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Thank you. I’ll be sure to mention this at next appointment.

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I have the same issues with my feet regarding painless neuropathy. I follow a regimen of moisturizing my legs and feet first thing in the morning and supplementing with Alpha Lipoic acid. I spend two hours in the gym on a resistance training program. I’m maintaining but not improving. I’m thinking that spinal compression may be involved..I appreciate all the information on my condition in these posts.

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I believe that the only opportunity we have is to mitigate neuropathy through vigorous moisturizing massages,resistance work in the gym,a healthy no sugar/no carb diet, walking, aerobics and supplements. I’m looking at electrical input and vibration devices.. (any suggestions would be welcome) I’m 78 and this all seems to be working as I’ve had no worsening of the numbness in my extremities.
The problem with this is that it eats up 4 hours of my day

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I believe you've got the formula correct! It works for me . . . when I can pull it off. Unfortunately, that's not as often as I'd like. So, I've got most of your plan in place much of the time, but not always. I use a heated vibration platform and TENS platform almost daily. I take senior aerobics, strength training classes and TaiChi, once a week (each) and I walk the dog daily. I eat a heathy diet low in carbs and very little sugar. My supplements include most of the recommended, especially those the neurologist actually knew something about (ALA and Benfotiamine.) I think I've kept progression of the PN to a minimum, but assume I could do better.
I'm a big believer in moderation, so I don't see myself going all out to prevent this from getting worse, yet I know I'd be wise to do so. I can put up with the numbness and deteriorating balance for now, it's kind of like a gamble for me. At 74 years old, I know that time is a factor. I have enough bad days (mainly related to weather issues!) to show me what's in store if the neuropathy gets worse. But, then I also want to spend my time doing other things that I love which unfortunately, involve a lot of sitting. On bad days, I could kick myself for not doing more. On good days, I just hope that time is on my side and the progression is slow enough to allow me many more years of doing all the things I enjoy.

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Great information. Has anyone tried Reflexology?

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@swamplady

Great information. Has anyone tried Reflexology?

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Hi, @swamplady -
I have not, but my PT is a myokinesthetist and works wonders on my muscles and tendons. She does apply some reflexology but not as specifically as what you are referring to. My neuropathy is long-fiber and - surprise, surprise - has been a long journey of finding what works for me and what doesn't. It's like a jigsaw puzzle of pieces that misses one or two (more??) so I never really get to a completed state of being altogether put back: PT, OT, deep tissue laser therapy, Bemer magnetic blood circulation stimulator, chiropractic, prescription pain relievers Pregabalin and Tramadol plus Ropinerole for Restless Leg Syndrome, and a plethora of nutritional supplements. Very supportive shoes are essential, and at night there would be little to no sleep without a large heating pad on second-highest setting for my feet.
Long answer to short question - sorry! Maybe you have already tried the things I wrote about. I'll be 77 in 3 weeks and have had sensory-motor demyelinating neuropathy for over 25 years. But I am blessed - living in and maintaining my own home and driving. God is so good!!!

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I've been diagnosed with MS 20 years ago, Autonomic Dysfunction 2years ago and SFN last summer. I started Immunoglobulin. in Jan. 2024 for small fiber neuropathy . I've seen some help but not much. I hear a vroom sound and I feel a vibration at my left temple and than I blackout. It happens so fast that I don't have time to do anything .I have to wear a helmet all the time unless I'm sitting down.

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I have been suffering greatly with Periferal Neuropathy non diabetic numbness in feet and more recently fingers. I went thru chemo for Non Hotchkins Large B cell Lymphoma in May 2022 and all has been clear so far . I had light neuropathy in my feet for years before but nothing like this . Have seen neurologists who all say the meds gabapentin , Lyrica , Cymbalta etc will do nothing due to numbness only . I’ve tried acupuncture which did not help and use massage devices that feel good but no real relief . Last Neurologist has me seeing my Oncologist due to monoclonal protein in blood of undetermined significance but that has been watched by my oncologist for close to 10 years . Any thoughts on possible relief suggestions etc . Thanks Brad

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@mbmiles3

I have been suffering greatly with Periferal Neuropathy non diabetic numbness in feet and more recently fingers. I went thru chemo for Non Hotchkins Large B cell Lymphoma in May 2022 and all has been clear so far . I had light neuropathy in my feet for years before but nothing like this . Have seen neurologists who all say the meds gabapentin , Lyrica , Cymbalta etc will do nothing due to numbness only . I’ve tried acupuncture which did not help and use massage devices that feel good but no real relief . Last Neurologist has me seeing my Oncologist due to monoclonal protein in blood of undetermined significance but that has been watched by my oncologist for close to 10 years . Any thoughts on possible relief suggestions etc . Thanks Brad

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Welcome Brad @mbmiles3, You will notice that we merged your post into an existing discussion on the same topic so that you can meet others with peripheral neuropathy with numbness only and no pain like myself and others. If you click the link below it will take you to the beginning of the discussion:
--- Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/neuropathy-numbness-only-no-pain/

@fiesty76, @avmcbellar, @lioness may have some suggestions or information to share with you. I posted my neuropathy journey in another discussion here - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/310341/.

You might also find the some helpful information for relief of the symptoms on the Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy site here - https://www.foundationforpn.org/living-well/.

Have you looked into any complementary or alternative therapies?

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@mbmiles3
I have small fiber and large fiber neuropathy. If you had chemo, it can damage nerves due to toxicity. You may want to research supplements and diet to help support nerve health and recovery. Good luck!
https://www.foundationforpn.org/living-well/lifestyle/nutrition/

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