I'm back: increasing CA19-9 was accurate indicator of recurrence.

Posted by omus1omus23 @mmatunis, Feb 8 4:19pm

I had posted back in mid-November that my CA19-9 levels had been increasing and I was experiencing back pains at night, but there was no detectable circulating tumor DNA (ctDNA). To re-cap, I was diagnosed with borderline pancreatic cancer in July 2022 and had 12 rounds of FOLFIRINOX followed by a Whipple surgery at the end of January 2023. Due to the increasing CA19-9 and back pains, my oncologist ordered a PET scan at the end of December which revealed "areas of concern" in the surgical bed and in several mediastinal lymph nodes. My primary oncologist recommended either (1) restart chemotherapy or (2) wait and see. I got a second opinion from a second oncologist and decided at the time that I would wait in see. The ctDNA was still undetectable and evidence of recurrence was not definitive. It was also suggested that a more informed decision on treatment options could be made after recurrence was detected and we knew where the recurrence was located (local vs metastatic among other things). I was also wishfully thinking that maybe the increased CA19-9 and back pains and stomach aches I was experiencing could be due to pancreatitis, an ulcer or anything besides recurrence. That was wishful thinking. A CT scan on January 31 confirmed local recurrence at the site of surgery. I am now scheduled to restart chemotherapy next Tuesday. The decision for chemotherapy as opposed to radiation was based on concerns for possible metastasis to distal sites. I will be receiving Gemcitabine, Cisplatin and Durvalumab (an immune checkpoint inhibitor). This regimen has been shown to have some efficacy in treating biliary tract cancers, which is what my cancer was re-diagnosed as following pathological analysis of my resected tumor.

In retrospect, would I have done things differently? What I know now is that the increase in CA19-9, which started back in July (it first went from 7 to 28 to 72 to 120 and is now at 157 six months later), was in fact due to recurrence. I also now know that my back pains and stomach aches were probably due to the recurring cancer pressing on nerves, but also possibly due to stress and anxiety that I had been experiencing during the time of uncertainty. I did meet with a cancer therapist to address some of that, which was very helpful. I also now know the ctDNA test was not as sensitive as CA19-9, despite my and my care-giver's expectations. All together, I think I actually have taken the right course. I had six months with some discomfort, but mostly lived my life pretty fully. Restarting chemotherapy is going to be a drag, and there is no guarantee that it is going to be effective or make me feel any better. I will probably feel worse. Are outcomes going to be any different had I started treatments six months ago? We will never know. I can only hope for the best! Thanks for listening. Maybe what I describe will be of some use to others who may be going through the same thing.

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@markymarkfl

@bceg1969 and @ncteacher ,

Have either of you consulted with or done research into Dr. Christopher Wolfgang at NY Langone (formerly of Johns Hopkins)?

He is supposedly one of the best when it comes to surgery with complicated vein/artery involvement.

(I qualify that with some understanding that it pertains to "locally advanced" tumors, not those with distant metastases.)

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I have heard of Dr Christopher Wolfgang
I am keeping his name in my notes
Still trying to stay with my oncologist's treatment for now but thank you for his name that I do already have
A name for the future possibly

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@ashley2235

I had surgery 6 months ago. I have CT every 3 months, CA19 every month, but do not have ctDNA done. That has never been mentioned. Or rather, my oncologist said it was not covered by insurance. So never discussed again. My CA19 was 12 prior to surgery, 44 upon discharge, and has since been dropping to a level of 16. My oncologist wanted CA19 every 3 months with CT, but I said I want it every month, as it has been a good indicator for me. I return to Mayo on March 18th for CT. I had a lung micronodule at 5 months that I am trying to not worry about, as none of the clinicians seem to be.

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@ashley2235 , I'm glad to hear you're getting the frequent CA19-9.

I get messages every now and then from Natera saying my ctDNA test was declared "not medically necessary" by my insurer, but my care team has always found one way or another to get it reimbursed or absorbed somewhere else in the system.

I had asked Natera about this before my Whipple, and they made it sound like the self-pay cost would not be astronomical if I had to go that route. Seems like it was about $250 each time, iirc, but I don't know if they had a (much) higher price for initial construction of the test.

I recently had another genetic test (combo of blood and tissue) with Tempus. The blood collection kit they sent to my house had forms for patient financial assistance if necessary, and I think they said the basic tests would never likely exceed $100 patient cost.

So... there may be affordable options if you contact the companies directly.

However, given that CA19-9 tests are cheaper and signaled my recurrence before ctDNA tests did, that becomes a factor in the overall value equation.

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@ncteacher

I haven't consulted with anyone on that. I was diagnosed as stage 4 because the surgeon who did the staging laparoscopy saw flat lesions in my abdomen. He had already rejected surgery because of the blood vessel involvement, but the lesions put the icing on the cake. As a result, surgery and radiation are out for me; the cancer is too widespread. Fortunately, so far I'm responding well to chemo, so hopefully that'll hold things off for a good long while.

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I'm hoping chemo holds the bad cancer off too

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@bceg1969

I'm happy for all the people that can have surgery..my husband has been told by Dr Tom Clancy at Dana Farber that surgery isn't possible because of vessel involvement
Wish I could find a surgeon that does operate on patients with vessel involvement
And I hope his oncologist can find a good treatment for his tumor
I love reading the positive outcomes from people on this site❤️

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Four highly experienced Whipple surgeons with vascular surgery skills that take on complex vascular involvement are Mark Truty of Mayo Clinic, Rochester; Douglas Evans of Medical College of Wisconsin/Froedert Hospital in Milwaukee; John Chabot of the Pancreas Center of Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center and Christopher Wolfgang of NYU-Langone Medical Center- both in NYC.

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