Tired of the gaslighting

Posted by cwitton1 @cwitton1, Jan 5 8:24am

I am done.
No more doctors. They’ve gaslit me, passed me off, placated me with unnecessary tests, tried detrimental drug therapies. No more “specialists” who pass you along to the next because it’s “not my job”. They straight up don’t believe anything I say. I am done. This journey that started in 1989 with a case of mononucleosis has ruined my life. I am done chasing answers and being mentally traumatized by doctors’ lack of empathy or concern. I am tired of reading my after visit notes and finding errors- things we never discussed or blatant lies about being examined. I am sick to death of being told it’s just anxiety manifesting or my brain tricking my body to make it *think*there’s pain when “there isn’t”. There is pain. A lot of pain, and I do not wonder at all why people with autoimmune disorders or chronic conditions- chronic pain patients, take unthinkable measures. News flash:NSAIDS don’t do squat for pain. They only wreck your kidneys and liver. What I have learned in the last 35 years is you can trust no one but yourself. Doctors are not there to help you. Doctors are there to make money and feel important about themselves. Doctors refuse to tell us, “I don’t know.” I’m tired, and it’s become more of a self preservation technique to just walk away. No more visits. No more medications. Whatever will be, will be. Call me a quitter. I don’t care. We were brought up to think if you’re sick, go to a doctor and they will help you get better. If your pain is new or gets worse, go to your doctor. They will figure out the cause. This is bs. No one’s going to help you. No one’s going to believe you. You will begin to question your sanity and eventually come to the conclusion that you’re on your own. The power dynamic in medicine is huge. They may have paid for an education, but I am not stupid and I know my body. This is me, finally defeated, jaded and hopeless. This is me accepting that this is how the rest of my life will be, forever. It’s not an exciting, rosy prospect. This is me, and I am done.

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@rwinney

More power to you! Keep fighting the good fight for yourself and not only recognizing the need to maintain (or maybe even improve) these areas, but getting after it. When you find a good functional medicine doctor, do you mind checking back in on Connect to share your experience?

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I agree; think you should never give up on the search to find a supportive health professional as e.g., you'll need someone to prescribe drugs anyway? For example, before agreeing to any tests, use your past experience to ask a doctor to explain why the tests are part of a process to pursue a solution rather than just ordering them because they simply can rule things out or reflect standard protocol. I and others can empathize with your situation but IMO you need to be most aggressive in seeking out someone you can believe in on the basis that they can address and consider all the concerns you mention here, even if it is not exactly what you want to hear. I don't think you'll "be a quitter" just that you need to vent and maybe take a break? I can only encourage you as you pursue someone to help, you make sure you are not starting over but that they totally are aware of your journey and they have a perspective and vision that sees beyond that and is the basis for you to not only not give up, but have some hope and reason to push forward.

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@adlttl123

Oh I’m so happy that you wrote into us. So thankful. The doctors have drug you through the mire and I am mad about it for you and I am sad sad sad for you. Years and years of neglect and down right abuse is what I heard in what you described in your 35 year experience and no good meds to manage your condition. And believe me we now and have had for years great medications for autoimmune diseases!! Most of us…surely I have had a bad experience with doctors that try to make you think that it’s “all in your head!” On my first airline flight I was 19 and sat next to a pilot. I was scared to death and oh so nauseated and he kept saying “it’s all in your head” and I kept saying I’m going to throw up. We touched down a couple of times before landing in Little Rock and as soon as we landed I threw up all over the beautiful lady to my left myself and guess who?? The pilot. Oh and I had on the most gorgeous blue dress and that was my first time to wear it. Now had the pilot been in reality he would have shown me the bags for throwing up..I still would have thrown up but we would have all been clean. So much for denying reality. Huh? I am on my fourth rheumatologist and he’s wonderful he listens and I have been in one form or another of remission or
Another for 5 years. But I was treated terribly as were you before I found this caring doctor. I also see someone for help with pain. Quality of life means everything after all the years in pain and suffering. Starting today I will commit to praying for you. YOU DESERVE THE BEST OF EVERYTHING. YOU NEED THE BEST MEDICAL CARE OUR COUNTRY OFFERS. I had decided to go to Mayo Clinic when I found this doctor. God bless and many prayers to you. Diane.

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Mayo has had three chances. Three different very significant issues. No answers. I don’t know how they can all fit in that ginormous building when their egos take up all the space.

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@bunzman

I agree; think you should never give up on the search to find a supportive health professional as e.g., you'll need someone to prescribe drugs anyway? For example, before agreeing to any tests, use your past experience to ask a doctor to explain why the tests are part of a process to pursue a solution rather than just ordering them because they simply can rule things out or reflect standard protocol. I and others can empathize with your situation but IMO you need to be most aggressive in seeking out someone you can believe in on the basis that they can address and consider all the concerns you mention here, even if it is not exactly what you want to hear. I don't think you'll "be a quitter" just that you need to vent and maybe take a break? I can only encourage you as you pursue someone to help, you make sure you are not starting over but that they totally are aware of your journey and they have a perspective and vision that sees beyond that and is the basis for you to not only not give up, but have some hope and reason to push forward.

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I have a pcp that’s pretty understanding for the most part. But I will only see her bc in this country you *have* to have a pcp. There’s nothing she can do regarding any of the “big” issues though, so she just rx my things like estradiol and pantoprazole.

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i have great empathy for you. I am in Canada and my doctor wants to sit at this desk and phone in prescriptions. My former doctor referred me to my rheumatologist who is in another health district, she is absolutely great. This new family doctor will not work with her. I too have chronic pain from FM and right now the legs and neck are so bad, neuralgia and cramps that I am unable to sleep. I also have a torn rotator cuff and other complications. Because I could not take one medication ( I was losing my vision) he prescribed, he gave up on me. I go to physiotherapy and that is all that has really helped lately. I hope that may help you.

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@1kay2

i have great empathy for you. I am in Canada and my doctor wants to sit at this desk and phone in prescriptions. My former doctor referred me to my rheumatologist who is in another health district, she is absolutely great. This new family doctor will not work with her. I too have chronic pain from FM and right now the legs and neck are so bad, neuralgia and cramps that I am unable to sleep. I also have a torn rotator cuff and other complications. Because I could not take one medication ( I was losing my vision) he prescribed, he gave up on me. I go to physiotherapy and that is all that has really helped lately. I hope that may help you.

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I’m really sorry you’re going through this too. There are so many of us who are not being heard.

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@rmce72a

Cwitten1, your words explain exactly what I am going through. I know that the anger and frustration I am feeling only adds to the problem, but I can't help it. We are sick and suffering, and the people supposedly trained to help aren't helping us.

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They seem to just pass you to another doc or another MRI, CT, or Blood test but I have to tell them the results are in.

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@gcranor

They seem to just pass you to another doc or another MRI, CT, or Blood test but I have to tell them the results are in.

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Exactly!

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I'm in the medical field, and can appreciate your concerns. A lot of bad has happened in Medicine over the past 15-20 years, as hospitals starting buying up medical practices. The insurance companies call us " Covered Lives", and hospitals look at us as profit centers.
Physicans are now normally employed by corporations whose loyalty is to shareholders.
No incentive exists for patients to get well ( a healthy person does not usually spend as much $ as a sick one). Doctors are on tight schedules and subject to performance evaluations, which emphasize quantity of patients, not quality of care.

It's also true that the recent generations of physicians trained under systems that did not value physical exams or using scientific process to determine best course of care. Its now " Complaint= Test". Fatigue= CBC and TFT, iron studies. If nirmal, you are fine. ( we call that "Euboxic". All labs and tests checked off in EMR and normal.
Think about establishing with a Concierge practice, or at least one not owned by hospitals. That's your best chance of getting to bottom of your issues. But please don't give up.

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@dlydailyhope

I can totally relate with where you are right now! Everything you said I have experienced, too. You are right, you are your best advocate and know your body best. I, too, have gone to doctors for many years trying to get help for my pain and declining health. They tell you, especially women, that it is in your head so they can just prescribe you anxiety/depression medication and send you away. I have also seen after care notes that document things were reviewed and discussed with me when they weren’t at all! Fraudulent record keeping! I have fired a couple doctors who would not help or listen to my symptoms or who put in my record “hypochondriasis” when all I wanted was answers and help to feel better. I do feel better now, not 100%, but better after 7 years of seeking answers and not settling until I got help. It is a lot of work, $$$, and time but it is our lives on the line. After all of the runaround, I was finally diagnosed by different doctors) with the following (in order): iron deficiency, small fiber neuropathy through punch biopsy, hearing loss, cervical and lumbar severe spinal stenosis, degenerative disc disease, radiculopathy, osteoarthritis, alopecia areata, thyroid autoantibodies in bloodwork and inflammation, cervical spondylitic myelopathy (spinal cord compression making it hard to walk and not drop things plus had daily headaches), thyroid nodule/Hashimoto's thyroiditis/micro cancer/hypothyroid, breast implant illness (implants removed), and gastritis and esophagitis (waiting for endoscopy biopsy results). I, too, had a really bad case of mononucleosis as a teen (now in my 50s) and understand EBV and other viruses can cause many health problems later in life. I am now on 100 mcg levothyroxine for my thyroid, 40 mg Fluoxetine (Prozac) for anxiety/depression (chronic pain), and now 20 mg Omeprazole for gastritis. Many other symptoms on my long list have reduced or gone away completely. There is hope!

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I suspect your previous implants has everything to do with your constellation of autoimmune symptoms. Kudos to the MD that told you to get them removed!

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@cwitton1 It's very brave of you to post your dilemma. I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease in 2014 and had the same experiences you've had with trying to get relief and health back. I felt like I was getting the run around and no answers. I started to believe that medical professionals didn't really understand autoimmune diseases because if they actually understood, they'd have some solutions. But not only did they not have solutions, they continued to act like they had the answers - and that somehow I wasn't 'getting it' or being cooperative enough. That's what gaslighting feels like. For you to voice this is brave because it opens you up to more people who might want to encourage you to step back into the fray that has been so exasperating and expensive. Someone on this thread mentioned Medical Medium - I have been following food protocols in his books for over five years and have reduced my symptoms exponentially and radically. I am not on medications. The symptoms that were debilitating no longer are. I still struggle a bit, but I have a toehold on this now. I would still go to Mayo Clinic for 'serious and complex care' (I know, I know... as if autoimmune isn't serious or complex, lol) - but for autoimmune issues, my kitchen and specific food protocols are my healthcare. It doesn't sound half as powerful as it really is. And it sounds way easier than it really is; my family can tell you that. Healing from feeling let down by healthcare is another thing altogether, which is another/different conversation about bravery.

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