How Long For Body To "Reset"?

Posted by formisc @formisc, Jan 25 8:33pm

Hi, everyone! I am new to this forum and this is my first post although i have been reading through the various threads in the Osteoporosis group for a few weeks now and learnt a whole lot

Some background - I am in my mid-60s with no prior fragility fractures. I was diagnosed with osteoporosis with TScore of -2.7 for femur neck in mid-2022 and my doctor put me on Prolia which i (regrettably) accepted without any prior research. While on Prolia, i started reading up on the condition and the various meds. After my 3rd injection, it became clear to me that i should not have started on Prolia (which supposedly should only be prescribed if other less potent meds do not work). If anything, i read that the right sequence should have been to start with an anabolic and then follow it with an anti-resorptive. So when the time came for my 4th Prolia injection, i opted out and started on a weekly dose of Alendronate to mitigate against the dreaded rebound effect of Prolia. I have since taken 4 doses of Alendronate and other than a mild gastric and some pain near the side of my knee (which could also be due to overenthusiastic squats), it has been ok

My question is, how long will it be before my body can "reset" so that i can, if i decide to do so, commence taking an anabolic like Forteo or Tymlos from a clean slate without the disadvantages of having traces of Prolia or Alendronate still in me? Right now, it seems like a balancing act - i have to continue to take Alendronate to mitigate the rebound effect (for how long?) - but the more doses of Alendronate i take, the longer it will linger inside and affect the effectiveness of any anabolic med i take later

Any comments/insights are welcome. My prayers for everyone's good health and well being

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0611945cc,
It may not. And I wouldn't add denosumab to forteo except if I had taken denosumab I would definitely want to add forteo to a bisphosphonate and hope to take advantage of whatever synergy there might be left with the prolia remaining in my system.
Like everyone else, I'm not a big advocate of pharmaceuticals. I am intrigued by the use of concommitant meds for osteoporosis. Much of the literature concedes the advantages, and admit that the lag in this type of prescribing isn't done because of costs and insurance.
Likewise if I were on Prolia and suddenly aware of the disadvantage, I would add tymlos or forteo. If I were on Forteo, I would definitely not add Prolia.

I also think that the fingernails are an indication of what is happening to your bones. Mine are getting harder to clip and I have to clip them more often.

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@formisc

I am terrified at the thought of putting in a year's dose of drug into my body through infusion. Also, for Reclast to be effective as a relay drug, the correct timing would have to be determined with the help of bone turnover markers which my doctor is not willing or unable to order. For these reasons, i decided on Alendronate instead. If it's true that Reclast stays in the body for only 2 years, that's a huge plus. I have read that Alendronate can remain for years, even decades after

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Good thinking. I wish you had an endocrinologist who would order serum CTx.

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@formisc

Today i took my 5th weekly dose of Alendronate. The pain at the side of my left knee which i thought could have been due to over-exercise just came back about 3-4 hours after my dose. I am in a bit of a quandary. If i stop Alendronate now, there's a big risk of Prolia rebound and I am really not keen on trying Reclast. Which may leave me with only Actonel and from what i have read, it may be less effective than Alendronate as a relay drug. If anyone has taken Actonel after Prolia, please share your experience

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From McCormick’s book it seems that Alendronate and Actonel are the same in increasing spine & hip . I am thinking about Actonel after my Evenity .

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@susanfalcon52

formisc,
I am anxious about Reclast, too, but I am doing it anyway. Probably in June. I have had an easy time on Evenity which may be giving me a false since of security.
My friend has been on Reclast for a couple of years and reports no problems.
🤞🏻

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Thank you, Susan, for sharing your friend's experience with Reclast - it gives me some reassurance

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@gently

Good thinking. I wish you had an endocrinologist who would order serum CTx.

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In your response to surefire, you suggested the possibility of taking a lower dose to guard against adverse side effects. I think that's a very good idea worth exploring with my doctor. Given that I had taken relatively few (3) doses of Prolia before stopping, perhaps I do not need to take the full dose of Reclast/ Zometa to mitigate the rebound effect.

In fact, your suggestion led me to do some digging and I came across an article which suggests that, in the case of zoledronate, a lower dosage may actually be beneficial. Unfortunately, I am not able to post a link yet, being a new member but the following is a quote:

"Zoledronate has been in clinical use since 2007, and evidence suggesting that less treatment with zoledronate than 5 mg annually might effectively reduce fracture risk has been available for almost as long [Grey et al. 2009]. "

Another thing I have been wondering is, whether the doses of Alendronate that I have taken since stopping Prolia can be taken into account to reduce the dosage of Reclast/ Zometa for the purpose of mitigating the rebound. For eg if I do 6 months Alendronate, can I just do 6-month (half) dose of zoledronate? In other words, would "6 months of Alendronate + 6-months' dose of Reclast" work as well as "12 months of Alendronate"?

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@normahorn

Since he is a chiropractor, he is not licensed to prescribe any medications.

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It’s all so confusing. My spine t-score is -3.1 and hip -2.7. In a consultation with Dr. McCormick, he said I am on the cusp for taking a medication, but when he found out I ski, he suggested Forteo. My endocrinologist, who is well known in the field of osteoporosis for her research, said I am too young to have a t-score that low (mid-60’s) and recommends Prolia (she steps down the dose before using Reclast), as the bisphosomates aren’t strong enough for me, and the anabolics aren’t necessary because I haven’t fractured. However, when she found I ski, like Dr. McCormick, she recommended an anabolic. I’m consulting again with her on Feb 20th.

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@susanfalcon52

formisc,
I am anxious about Reclast, too, but I am doing it anyway. Probably in June. I have had an easy time on Evenity which may be giving me a false since of security.
My friend has been on Reclast for a couple of years and reports no problems.
🤞🏻

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Susan, can’t wait to hear how u will do on Reclast . I may go that way also but have till August until my year is up on Evenity .

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@kristie2

Susan, can’t wait to hear how u will do on Reclast . I may go that way also but have till August until my year is up on Evenity .

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kristie2,
I am nervous about Reclast, but I was about Evenity, too. And, that has gone well.
I am trying to figure out how much time should pass between Evenity and starting Reclast. I have lost some faith in my endocrinologist. At last appointment, he was just not engaged. Typing on tablet, no eye contact, didn’t know who Keith McCormick was, etc.
when I said that I didn’t want to take Fosamax after Evenity, that I would take Reclast, he just said “Okay.”
No discussion.
At this point, I will take medical advice from this site before trusting my endocrinologist.
A few years ago, I had a doctor who had made osteoporosis her specialty. She was incredibly well informed and had a great relationship with her patients. Tragically, and ironically, she fell at home and died. Everyone knew her. At my last endocrinology appointment, I brought her up. My current lackadaisical doctor said,” I miss her.”
I thought, “Wow. You and me both, Buddy.”

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@susanfalcon52

kristie2,
I am nervous about Reclast, but I was about Evenity, too. And, that has gone well.
I am trying to figure out how much time should pass between Evenity and starting Reclast. I have lost some faith in my endocrinologist. At last appointment, he was just not engaged. Typing on tablet, no eye contact, didn’t know who Keith McCormick was, etc.
when I said that I didn’t want to take Fosamax after Evenity, that I would take Reclast, he just said “Okay.”
No discussion.
At this point, I will take medical advice from this site before trusting my endocrinologist.
A few years ago, I had a doctor who had made osteoporosis her specialty. She was incredibly well informed and had a great relationship with her patients. Tragically, and ironically, she fell at home and died. Everyone knew her. At my last endocrinology appointment, I brought her up. My current lackadaisical doctor said,” I miss her.”
I thought, “Wow. You and me both, Buddy.”

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Susan ,
I too am having a hard time looking forward on what the next drug will be . I was so afraid of taking Evenity also . I have a call with my endocrinologist on Wednesday and will see what the next step is in her mind . I’ve had to ask for bone markers etc . I am glad I was well informed before starting this whole process. I don’t have much confidence in her !

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@susanfalcon52

kristie2,
I am nervous about Reclast, but I was about Evenity, too. And, that has gone well.
I am trying to figure out how much time should pass between Evenity and starting Reclast. I have lost some faith in my endocrinologist. At last appointment, he was just not engaged. Typing on tablet, no eye contact, didn’t know who Keith McCormick was, etc.
when I said that I didn’t want to take Fosamax after Evenity, that I would take Reclast, he just said “Okay.”
No discussion.
At this point, I will take medical advice from this site before trusting my endocrinologist.
A few years ago, I had a doctor who had made osteoporosis her specialty. She was incredibly well informed and had a great relationship with her patients. Tragically, and ironically, she fell at home and died. Everyone knew her. At my last endocrinology appointment, I brought her up. My current lackadaisical doctor said,” I miss her.”
I thought, “Wow. You and me both, Buddy.”

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I do not have experience with Envity but I did the Reclast infusion because my stomach couldn’t tolerate the Fosamax. Reclast was in September’23 and I’m still having side effects. I had multiple symptoms for 3 months. At 4 months most have improved but I still have severe bone pain in my legs every day. This prevents me from doing normal activities. I started this journey as an active healthy 65 year old and now struggle to get through my days.
I work full time. If I was not able to work from home I would not be able to manage this pain. I caution everyone considering Reclast. I am under the care of my primary. She is wonderful but is learning how to navigate this long with me. She explains my body’s reaction as if it’s fighting a virus. The inflammation has impacted almost every area in my body. Please proceed with caution.

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