Your Thoughts on a Foundation for Small-Fiber and Autonomic Neuropathy

Posted by cyp238ress @cyp238ress, Jan 23 9:53am

I have suffered from idiopathic small-fiber neuropathy for 30 years now (I'm currently 54). I have given thought over the past couple of years to starting a foundation dedicated to small-fiber and autonomic neuropathy research and advocacy. I find it completely unacceptable that the medical establishment is still doling out gabapentin as a first-line treatment, a drug that was approved in 1993. What are your thoughts on this, any advice, and would you support this cause?

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@ray666 Ray, that is interesting. I actually started with small fiber and later developed large fiber. When I though the small fiber took a bus and left town, Mayo in MN said no, you actually have both. If I recall, I think Mayo said about 20% of folks with small fiber could develop large. One of the reasons I went to Mayo was because I was experiencing various new symptoms, such as positioning of feet and balance issues, and I wanted to get the best answers possible. Ed

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@barbbielor

I agree about neurologists. My pain management doctor has started me on Low Dose Naltrexone. I have been ever so slowly ramping my way to 4.5 MG. I am allergic to many pain relievers so this is my last ditch effort. So far I have had relief of my CRPS and SFN constant annoying pain. About at least 70% worth.

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Hi, I'm very interested to know more about the LDN you are taking. I want to ask my doctor to prescribe it to me because I read another comment from someone who was having success with it. I can't stand the pain I have and no one is doing anything to help me. I'm on 100mg gabapentin and I would like to wean off because I don't think it is helping. Higher dose gave me very bad side affects. If you are having even a reduced amount of pain from the LDN, can you share please what amount you are taking and started with? Thank you.

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@cyp238ress

Ray,
I am aware of the Peripheral Neuropathy Association and donate to that foundation each month. There is another foundation called Dysautonomia International that focuses on autonomic dysfunction, with it seems a focus on POTS. However, there is not a foundation that I am aware of that focuses specifically on small-fiber neuropathy and related autonomic dysfunction and the immense pain and quality of life impact that it has.

The prevalence of SFN is, I theorize, far higher than posited by the medical establishment. There are studies demonstrating that many people diagnosed with fibromyalgia actually have SFN. This was proven via punch skin biopsy of the study participants, where 40-50% came back with reduced intraepidermal nerve fiber density (IENFD), the gold standard for a definitive SFN diagnosis. Moreover, SFN is known to impact the GI tract and the heart, amongst other organs, yet many gastroenterologists and cardiologists do not suspect SFN when patients present with cryptic symptoms. Finally, there are reports of COVID causing several SFN cases, and many long-COVID studies are ongoing. I suspect that some people suffering from long-COVID have developed SFN. Given all of this, I do wonder whether a more focused foundation would get us closer to valuable research and therapeutics as compared to a foundation covering PN generally.

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Hi there- I can relate to your experience. I have autonomic small fiber neuropathy (it’s the likely cause of my POTS, but there’s no way to prove this), and I was so upset after realizing I had peripheral neuropathy in the first place, then narrowing the diagnosis to small fiber neuropathy (which was actually misdiagnosed the first time), to find that despite the significant numbers of people affected, it’s so marginalized. By the time I got to diagnosis, it just felt like I got a collective “shrug.” There’s no cure and if the dysautonomia isn’t severe, it’s not “life-threatening,” so it seems not to matter to doctors. Or I get dismissed because it’s “outside the scope” of their expertise.

I suspect because of this, it’s not as lucrative for research or as a specialty area. More awareness could help—because it can be a struggle even to get doctors to realize someone can even have SFN without diabetes, post-chemotherapy, or B12 deficiency. I don’t know of a solution though…

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@jipc

Hi, I'm very interested to know more about the LDN you are taking. I want to ask my doctor to prescribe it to me because I read another comment from someone who was having success with it. I can't stand the pain I have and no one is doing anything to help me. I'm on 100mg gabapentin and I would like to wean off because I don't think it is helping. Higher dose gave me very bad side affects. If you are having even a reduced amount of pain from the LDN, can you share please what amount you are taking and started with? Thank you.

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I started on 1.5 for a week, but I had heart palpitations at first so I was taken off it for a week and then started back again. A week after that I started 3 MG. Again had problems but it disappeared after a day or so. I went up to 4.5 mg. Loved the feeling mind wise! Great joy. Heart wise I had to stop after two days. Went back to 3 mg. The next I increased was 0.5 MG. I stayed at that for 2 weeks before increasing another 0.5. Had problem again the first day or so. Right now I am at 4.0. I want to get to 4.5 the target dose but I am going to stay at current level for 3 or 4 weeks before increasing. My reactions to meds are abnormal to say the least. I have an allergy list a mile long. I did notice the 2or 3 days I was at 4.5 pain relief but really noticed it when I was told to get off it for a week. That's when I noticed how bad the pain really was. I get use to a certain amount of pain and it was a surprise how bad it was! I am having pain relief at 4 mg but would like to make it to 4.5.

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@emo

Hi there- I can relate to your experience. I have autonomic small fiber neuropathy (it’s the likely cause of my POTS, but there’s no way to prove this), and I was so upset after realizing I had peripheral neuropathy in the first place, then narrowing the diagnosis to small fiber neuropathy (which was actually misdiagnosed the first time), to find that despite the significant numbers of people affected, it’s so marginalized. By the time I got to diagnosis, it just felt like I got a collective “shrug.” There’s no cure and if the dysautonomia isn’t severe, it’s not “life-threatening,” so it seems not to matter to doctors. Or I get dismissed because it’s “outside the scope” of their expertise.

I suspect because of this, it’s not as lucrative for research or as a specialty area. More awareness could help—because it can be a struggle even to get doctors to realize someone can even have SFN without diabetes, post-chemotherapy, or B12 deficiency. I don’t know of a solution though…

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I have been with a pain management doctor for 13 years. He wasn't the first , second, or third doctor I saw. Actually the 3rd doctor called my current doctor and begged him to take me off his hands. I got a phone call from my current doctor asking me to be his patient! When asked why he took me on he said he believes everybody deserves the best care and he likes a challenge! We have a close relationship and he is brilliant at what he does and I have had a spinal cord stimulator implanted in 2012 and again in 2018. I find it helpful in disguising pain to a degree. I have multiple spinal issues from a fall in 1999. a workers comp case. I use a walker for travel purposes but have a power chair for longer distances around this complex I live in.

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@barbbielor

I have been with a pain management doctor for 13 years. He wasn't the first , second, or third doctor I saw. Actually the 3rd doctor called my current doctor and begged him to take me off his hands. I got a phone call from my current doctor asking me to be his patient! When asked why he took me on he said he believes everybody deserves the best care and he likes a challenge! We have a close relationship and he is brilliant at what he does and I have had a spinal cord stimulator implanted in 2012 and again in 2018. I find it helpful in disguising pain to a degree. I have multiple spinal issues from a fall in 1999. a workers comp case. I use a walker for travel purposes but have a power chair for longer distances around this complex I live in.

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That’s so great that you found someone motivated to work with you, even with a “complex case.”

I do feel that with things being so specialized, it can give providers an out to decline to work with a patient if they’re uncomfortable or unwilling to take on a challenge. I’m glad you found someone who will support you.

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@cyp238ress

Ray,
I am aware of the Peripheral Neuropathy Association and donate to that foundation each month. There is another foundation called Dysautonomia International that focuses on autonomic dysfunction, with it seems a focus on POTS. However, there is not a foundation that I am aware of that focuses specifically on small-fiber neuropathy and related autonomic dysfunction and the immense pain and quality of life impact that it has.

The prevalence of SFN is, I theorize, far higher than posited by the medical establishment. There are studies demonstrating that many people diagnosed with fibromyalgia actually have SFN. This was proven via punch skin biopsy of the study participants, where 40-50% came back with reduced intraepidermal nerve fiber density (IENFD), the gold standard for a definitive SFN diagnosis. Moreover, SFN is known to impact the GI tract and the heart, amongst other organs, yet many gastroenterologists and cardiologists do not suspect SFN when patients present with cryptic symptoms. Finally, there are reports of COVID causing several SFN cases, and many long-COVID studies are ongoing. I suspect that some people suffering from long-COVID have developed SFN. Given all of this, I do wonder whether a more focused foundation would get us closer to valuable research and therapeutics as compared to a foundation covering PN generally.

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You are spot on each point made, good job. In my opinion I have had some form of this most my life. I did not manifest into constant pain till I was 45. My best guess is the origin of my SFN began with a herpes simplex outbreak. According to my mother, this happened when I was in 1st grade. Hard to prove and most Doctors disregard that theory.

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@emo

That’s so great that you found someone motivated to work with you, even with a “complex case.”

I do feel that with things being so specialized, it can give providers an out to decline to work with a patient if they’re uncomfortable or unwilling to take on a challenge. I’m glad you found someone who will support you.

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Thanks.

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Setting up a foundation is a wonderful idea! It could help people connect, share their case and effective treatments. We need more solutions instead of “band-aid” fixes. I agree, Gabapentin is not a solution and the bad side effects just create more problems . I’m thinking of trying stem cell therapy for my son. He’s losing his ability to walk and I feel like we are up against time before the nerve damage is permanent. I’m done having him shuffled around from doctor to doctor.

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Just saw this Nov 2023 research article in my Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy email newsletter.

--- Plasma proteomic analysis on neuropathic pain in idiopathic peripheral neuropathy patients: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jns.12606

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