TULSA PRO Results at 3 plus years - Treated for High Grade Gleason 8

Posted by russm @russm, 19 hours ago

In February of 2023, I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. Of my 12 core biopsy, 5 came back with cancer. I had 1 Gleason 6, 2 Gleason 7's a 3+4 and a 4+3 and I had 2 Gleason 8 samples. They sent the Gleason 8's to Decipher for Genomic testing and this confirmed I had aggressive cancer with a Decipher score of .71. After 3 years it appears I am still cancer free....multiple scans (both MRI's and now a post treatment PSMA PET) and blood tests...my cancer has taken a hike and not visible anywhere.

Prior to my TULSA treatment, I had a pre-treatment PSMA PET scan that indicated my cancer was confined to my prostate. I believe the PSMA PET scan is a game changer. In my opinion, if the PSMA PET indicates the cancer is confined to the prostate...TULSA will eliminate the cancer regardless of the Gleason grade when properly applied. In my opinion, patients should not be restricted to low grade or intermediate grade.

I did have some difficulty urinating after I removed the catheter on day 11. I jumped into a hot bath tub and that did the trick and perhaps saved me from having it put back in. This was my only issue. Other than that, everything worked perfectly and did so in quick fashion.

Since my TULSA took place prior to the AI advancements that from what I understand assist with mapping and may increase or boost the energy in the cancer area...my doctor went over that area of aggressive cancer a couple of extra times.

Since my treatment, I have had multiple MRI's, a PSMA PET scan and naturally PSA tests. My PSA is steady, I still have a 22 cc prostate and still produce PSA. All of my scans have been perfectly clear. They still do a prostate density calculation and it remains .10 or less. I am 68 years old and in good shape. I don't need medication to assist with any of my functions.

I do feel that doctors who choose not to mention TULSA to their patients are doing them a disservice. I recognize that stating prostate removal is barbaric may be controversial...but, if the PSMA PET and MRI's indicate your cancer is confined to the prostate, why would anyone have their prostate removed? To be honest, I still think this should be an option if the cancer has spread...the cancer that has spread will be attacked using other methods...just as it is if the prostate is removed.

I recognize that I have a prostate that has demonstrated a propensity to grow cancer. So, it might return. With that said, I don't have any signs of cancer now and if a new cancer develops, I can have TULSA again. A couple of doctors who are experts in this field told me that there is no way that my cancer is going to develop in the treated area as that area has absolutely no blood flow. My PSA is now checked every 6 months (rather than 3) and going forward, my MRI's will be once a year. I won't be having additional PSMA PET scans unless my PSA velocity rises at a rate consistent with cancer.

The results of the CAPTAIN trial might just change everything...The CAPTAIN trial (NCT05027477) is a prospective, multi-center, randomized controlled trial comparing MRI-guided Transurethral Ultrasound Ablation (TULSA) to radical prostatectomy (RP) for localized, intermediate-risk prostate cancer.

My purpose of posting this is merely to help others in their decision making process. Regardless of what treatment you or your loved one may choose to treat your cancer, I wish you success and a life of happiness. I don't check this board often, but will try to check in every few months or so. I am ready to move forward...thank you for understanding if you don't receive an immediate response. I just hadn't seen too many people with the trifecta of prostate cancers Gleason's 6,7 and 8 treated with TULSA and thought my history might be helpful to some with aggressive prostate cancer.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Prostate Cancer Support Group.

I'm happy for you, brother! I wish you good health!

I have Gleason 9, lymph node metastases (lungs, neck, pelvis), and 3 bone metastases. So, I take it TULSA isn't right for me?

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Excellent explanation and positive outcome with Tulsa pro. At least a few of us have buyers remorse from surgery. I fully agree that Tulsa should be presented as an option. Be well and God bless you for raising awareness.

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I agree with you that Tulsa with mri should be discussed. It will be interesting to see the results and structure of the Captain trial as currently, no findings, numbers, or conclusions are available.

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I agree with you that Tulsa with mri should be discussed. It will be interesting to see the results and structure of the Captain trial as currently, no findings, numbers, or conclusions are available.

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@bens1 says 8-31-2036 estimated study completion

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I may have missed it, Where did you have your treatment done? I am currently going to Mayo Jacksonville. They recommended surgery or radiation first. I have an appt with the surgeon in 2 wks.
T1c 12 of 18 cores showed 3+3=6, one showed 3=4=7, 5 benign. PC confined to prostoate.
I'm waiting on decipher score.
Should I ask him about Tulsa Pro?

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I may have missed it, Where did you have your treatment done? I am currently going to Mayo Jacksonville. They recommended surgery or radiation first. I have an appt with the surgeon in 2 wks.
T1c 12 of 18 cores showed 3+3=6, one showed 3=4=7, 5 benign. PC confined to prostoate.
I'm waiting on decipher score.
Should I ask him about Tulsa Pro?

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@kaphur I go to the Mayo in Phoenix. I am a Gleason 6 on A/S. Dr. Frendl does IRE (nanoknife) and maybe that could be done on just the one area with Gleason 7 and leave the Gleason 6 alone? That would probably give you the very least amount of side effects and you could be monitored and still have radiation down the road. I've read so many negative comments about surgery that would be the absolute last treatment I would choose given all the side effects many suffer from surgery. I will say a prayer all goes well for you.

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Great story. I had not heard of anybody who had Gleason 8 and did Tulsa. I was 4+3 and did Tulsa July 2024. Like you, no sign of cancer on any of my tests and MRIs. I also have had zero side effects. I think the biggest hurdle for Tulsa right now is lack of knowledge that it even exists. I only found it after my urologist in Minneapolis mentioned that Mayo was doing some advanced things and I did the research on my own.

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I'm happy for you, brother! I wish you good health!

I have Gleason 9, lymph node metastases (lungs, neck, pelvis), and 3 bone metastases. So, I take it TULSA isn't right for me?

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@denis76 Thank you for the kind words and wishes...I would guess you are correct with the assumption that TULSA isn't the answer to your challenges. With that said, they are making significant strides with some of the new treatments. I wish you success in finding your way back to perfect health.

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I agree with you that Tulsa with mri should be discussed. It will be interesting to see the results and structure of the Captain trial as currently, no findings, numbers, or conclusions are available.

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@bens1 That isn't quite accurate...there are some early updates...but, it will take a period of time for the "conclusions" to be reached. I have learned some things that aren't official, but it is positive for TULSA. Below is a link to a video update that was released a few weeks ago...

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I may have missed it, Where did you have your treatment done? I am currently going to Mayo Jacksonville. They recommended surgery or radiation first. I have an appt with the surgeon in 2 wks.
T1c 12 of 18 cores showed 3+3=6, one showed 3=4=7, 5 benign. PC confined to prostoate.
I'm waiting on decipher score.
Should I ask him about Tulsa Pro?

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@kaphur My TULSA was performed by Dr. Scionti. I wish you success with your treatment. I would definitely ask about TULSA. Your Decipher score will be very helpful. If it comes back very low, you may choose to keep watching your PSA and remain on the sidelines as that low grade stuff often remains in place. But, this should be a decision between yourself and your medical care team. I would encourage seeking multiple opinions. Prior to deciding on TULSA, I spoke with my urologist who strongly suggested surgery, a radiation oncologist who also suggested surgery due to the extent of my cancer and the grade, and I spoke with three well known doctors who perform TULSA. Considering our cancer appears to be low grade and often slow growing, you should have time to explore the options. Since I had Gleason 8, I pushed that process quickly. I wish you the best!

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