Testosterone Recovery after stopping orgovyx

Posted by ava11 @ava11, 6 days ago

Seven weeks after stopping after being on Orgovyx for 12 months, my psa is 0.02. My Testosterone bounced to 45 from 8. My Testosterone was 324 before Hormone therapy.

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this is a quick health roundup.
The body has flexability, solid bome structure, and ability to run every day. Running is my addiction. Now doing 2 miles per day, 3 days of intervals and 4 days easy . Slowly increasing milage to 18-20per week.For 40 years weekly total was 64 miles per week. . For 45 years, half my life food intake was vegitables, fruit grains and water. No factory food. only fat has been olive oil. occasionally fish and veggie sushi in restaurants.
I cook over 95% of my meals, I eat rice 2times a day, By bmi varies between 16-20 % . Recently I had navy seals Rhabdo condition for 3 days. due to a fall at my beehives.

I hace two issues since being on meds for 15 years. One is changer in height from 5’9” to 5’7”.

the other is encontenance. I go through 2-3 hygene pads per day. Modstlyn when in the kitchen using the water.Running may also contribute to it.
I will be 90 on 08/15,
I want to know how to stop encontinence. such as altering diet or meds
I write a monthlty journal to over 150 family, colleagues, running buddies, fellow volunteers etc

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@tk192

For what it is worth, I found this on TRT in my research.

Testosterone, or low T. No matter what you call it, it’s time to debunk the myth that testosterone therapy for men with low T increases prostate cancer risk.
It all began over 80 years ago. “In 1941 Huggins and Hodges reported that marked reductions in T by castration or estrogen treatment caused metastatic [prostate cancer or PCa] to regress, and administration of exogenous T caused [PCa] to grow. Remarkably, this latter conclusion was based on results from only one patient.”[i] For decades afterward, this misled clinicians to believe that testosterone therapy, or TTh, fed the development of PCa.
However, since the late 1960s there’s been an increasing body of published research suggesting that this is simply not the case. Today, medical societies concerned with prostate cancer such as the European Association of Urology (EAU) and the American Urological Association (AUA) acknowledge that TTh does not appear to increase PCa risk—though they hedge on the issue by calling for continued research.
In fact, published reviews of high quality clinical trials comparing TTh vs placebo have yet to demonstrate a clear link between testosterone therapy (including injectables, gels, etc.) and developing or worsening the disease. One critique of such studies, however, is that they don’t distinguish between men at low risk (i.e. no family history of PCa) and men at high risk due to PCa family history.
To remedy this, a multicenter team from the U.S. and Italy ran a population analysis of patients with low T covering a 10-year period.[ii] All patients were defined as being at high risk for PCa based on family history. The study formed two patient cohorts of 623 men each whose baseline characteristics were balanced between the two groups:
a. One group of low T patients received TTh over the 10 years of the study.
b. The other group of low T patients did not receive TTh during the 10 years.
Based on their analysis, the authors found that the cohort who received TTh did not show a higher risk of being diagnosed with any PCa or of receiving any active treatment compared with the non-TTh cohort.
What makes this study unique is its focus on men at high risk for PCa. The authors cite several earlier studies, including one of the most recent randomized controlled studies that did not find “any significant difference in terms of incidence of high grade or any PCa in TTh group [with] respect to placebo.”[iii] However, that study did not include men considered at high-risk for the disease. Although there are a few limitations to the new study, the work of these authors has strong numbers demonstrating that testosterone therapy for men with low T who have a family history of PCa does not appear to raise their chances of developing PCa. Thus, the authors express hope that their findings “… should stimulate the scientific community to conduct [randomized controlled trials] in this field, which are crucial for further understanding the relationship between TTh and PCa in this population.”[iv]
On a final note, testosterone therapy has now been demonstrated to be safe for prostate cancer patients who have undergone treatment and who also have low T. There is no clear evidence that it increases the risk of disease progression or recurrence. However, experts recommend that doctors and patients discuss the benefits and possible risks, and also that a patient’s low T has been validated through testing and not symptoms alone.
We congratulate the authors on their research demonstrating that TTh is safe for men at high PCa risk due to family history, should they become deficient in the all-important male hormone, testosterone.
NOTE: This content is solely for purposes of information and does not substitute for diagnostic or medical advice. Talk to your doctor if you are experiencing pelvic pain, or have any other health concerns or questions of a personal medical nature.
References
[i] Morgentaler, Abraham. Testosterone and Prostate Cancer: An Historical Perspective on a Modern Myth. European Urology, Volume 50, Issue 5, 935 – 939.
[ii] Pozzi E, Able CA, Kohn T, Kava BR, Montorsi F, Salonia A. Incidence of prostate cancer in men with testosterone deficiency and a family history of prostate cancer receiving testosterone therapy: a comparative study. BMJ Oncol. 2025 Mar 6;4(1):e000520.
[iii] Bhasin S, Travison TG, Pencina KM, et al. Prostate Safety Events During Testosterone Replacement Therapy in Men With Hypogonadism: A Randomized Clinical Trial. JAMA Netw Open. 2023;6:e2348692.
[iv] Pozzi et al, ibid.

About Dr. Dan Sperling

Dan Sperling, MD, DABR, is a board certified radiologist who is globally recognized as a leader in multiparametric MRI for the detection and diagnosis of a range of disease conditions. As Medical Director of the Sperling Prostate Center, Sperling Medical Group and Sperling Neurosurgery Associates, he and his team are on the leading edge of significant change in medical practice. He is the co-author of the new patient book Redefining Prostate Cancer, and is a contributing author on over 25 published studies. For more information, contact the Sperling Prostate Center.

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That is an excellent find regarding TRT. Fid they address the phenomenon of rising PSA in men who were on it or did that not happen?
Philo

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@tk192

For what it is worth, I found this on TRT in my research.

Testosterone, or low T. No matter what you call it, it’s time to debunk the myth that testosterone therapy for men with low T increases prostate cancer risk.
It all began over 80 years ago. “In 1941 Huggins and Hodges reported that marked reductions in T by castration or estrogen treatment caused metastatic [prostate cancer or PCa] to regress, and administration of exogenous T caused [PCa] to grow. Remarkably, this latter conclusion was based on results from only one patient.”[i] For decades afterward, this misled clinicians to believe that testosterone therapy, or TTh, fed the development of PCa.
However, since the late 1960s there’s been an increasing body of published research suggesting that this is simply not the case. Today, medical societies concerned with prostate cancer such as the European Association of Urology (EAU) and the American Urological Association (AUA) acknowledge that TTh does not appear to increase PCa risk—though they hedge on the issue by calling for continued research.
In fact, published reviews of high quality clinical trials comparing TTh vs placebo have yet to demonstrate a clear link between testosterone therapy (including injectables, gels, etc.) and developing or worsening the disease. One critique of such studies, however, is that they don’t distinguish between men at low risk (i.e. no family history of PCa) and men at high risk due to PCa family history.
To remedy this, a multicenter team from the U.S. and Italy ran a population analysis of patients with low T covering a 10-year period.[ii] All patients were defined as being at high risk for PCa based on family history. The study formed two patient cohorts of 623 men each whose baseline characteristics were balanced between the two groups:
a. One group of low T patients received TTh over the 10 years of the study.
b. The other group of low T patients did not receive TTh during the 10 years.
Based on their analysis, the authors found that the cohort who received TTh did not show a higher risk of being diagnosed with any PCa or of receiving any active treatment compared with the non-TTh cohort.
What makes this study unique is its focus on men at high risk for PCa. The authors cite several earlier studies, including one of the most recent randomized controlled studies that did not find “any significant difference in terms of incidence of high grade or any PCa in TTh group [with] respect to placebo.”[iii] However, that study did not include men considered at high-risk for the disease. Although there are a few limitations to the new study, the work of these authors has strong numbers demonstrating that testosterone therapy for men with low T who have a family history of PCa does not appear to raise their chances of developing PCa. Thus, the authors express hope that their findings “… should stimulate the scientific community to conduct [randomized controlled trials] in this field, which are crucial for further understanding the relationship between TTh and PCa in this population.”[iv]
On a final note, testosterone therapy has now been demonstrated to be safe for prostate cancer patients who have undergone treatment and who also have low T. There is no clear evidence that it increases the risk of disease progression or recurrence. However, experts recommend that doctors and patients discuss the benefits and possible risks, and also that a patient’s low T has been validated through testing and not symptoms alone.
We congratulate the authors on their research demonstrating that TTh is safe for men at high PCa risk due to family history, should they become deficient in the all-important male hormone, testosterone.
NOTE: This content is solely for purposes of information and does not substitute for diagnostic or medical advice. Talk to your doctor if you are experiencing pelvic pain, or have any other health concerns or questions of a personal medical nature.
References
[i] Morgentaler, Abraham. Testosterone and Prostate Cancer: An Historical Perspective on a Modern Myth. European Urology, Volume 50, Issue 5, 935 – 939.
[ii] Pozzi E, Able CA, Kohn T, Kava BR, Montorsi F, Salonia A. Incidence of prostate cancer in men with testosterone deficiency and a family history of prostate cancer receiving testosterone therapy: a comparative study. BMJ Oncol. 2025 Mar 6;4(1):e000520.
[iii] Bhasin S, Travison TG, Pencina KM, et al. Prostate Safety Events During Testosterone Replacement Therapy in Men With Hypogonadism: A Randomized Clinical Trial. JAMA Netw Open. 2023;6:e2348692.
[iv] Pozzi et al, ibid.

About Dr. Dan Sperling

Dan Sperling, MD, DABR, is a board certified radiologist who is globally recognized as a leader in multiparametric MRI for the detection and diagnosis of a range of disease conditions. As Medical Director of the Sperling Prostate Center, Sperling Medical Group and Sperling Neurosurgery Associates, he and his team are on the leading edge of significant change in medical practice. He is the co-author of the new patient book Redefining Prostate Cancer, and is a contributing author on over 25 published studies. For more information, contact the Sperling Prostate Center.

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Are there any side effects of TTH, like on the heart, even if it doesn't increase PCa?

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@tk192

For what it is worth, I found this on TRT in my research.

Testosterone, or low T. No matter what you call it, it’s time to debunk the myth that testosterone therapy for men with low T increases prostate cancer risk.
It all began over 80 years ago. “In 1941 Huggins and Hodges reported that marked reductions in T by castration or estrogen treatment caused metastatic [prostate cancer or PCa] to regress, and administration of exogenous T caused [PCa] to grow. Remarkably, this latter conclusion was based on results from only one patient.”[i] For decades afterward, this misled clinicians to believe that testosterone therapy, or TTh, fed the development of PCa.
However, since the late 1960s there’s been an increasing body of published research suggesting that this is simply not the case. Today, medical societies concerned with prostate cancer such as the European Association of Urology (EAU) and the American Urological Association (AUA) acknowledge that TTh does not appear to increase PCa risk—though they hedge on the issue by calling for continued research.
In fact, published reviews of high quality clinical trials comparing TTh vs placebo have yet to demonstrate a clear link between testosterone therapy (including injectables, gels, etc.) and developing or worsening the disease. One critique of such studies, however, is that they don’t distinguish between men at low risk (i.e. no family history of PCa) and men at high risk due to PCa family history.
To remedy this, a multicenter team from the U.S. and Italy ran a population analysis of patients with low T covering a 10-year period.[ii] All patients were defined as being at high risk for PCa based on family history. The study formed two patient cohorts of 623 men each whose baseline characteristics were balanced between the two groups:
a. One group of low T patients received TTh over the 10 years of the study.
b. The other group of low T patients did not receive TTh during the 10 years.
Based on their analysis, the authors found that the cohort who received TTh did not show a higher risk of being diagnosed with any PCa or of receiving any active treatment compared with the non-TTh cohort.
What makes this study unique is its focus on men at high risk for PCa. The authors cite several earlier studies, including one of the most recent randomized controlled studies that did not find “any significant difference in terms of incidence of high grade or any PCa in TTh group [with] respect to placebo.”[iii] However, that study did not include men considered at high-risk for the disease. Although there are a few limitations to the new study, the work of these authors has strong numbers demonstrating that testosterone therapy for men with low T who have a family history of PCa does not appear to raise their chances of developing PCa. Thus, the authors express hope that their findings “… should stimulate the scientific community to conduct [randomized controlled trials] in this field, which are crucial for further understanding the relationship between TTh and PCa in this population.”[iv]
On a final note, testosterone therapy has now been demonstrated to be safe for prostate cancer patients who have undergone treatment and who also have low T. There is no clear evidence that it increases the risk of disease progression or recurrence. However, experts recommend that doctors and patients discuss the benefits and possible risks, and also that a patient’s low T has been validated through testing and not symptoms alone.
We congratulate the authors on their research demonstrating that TTh is safe for men at high PCa risk due to family history, should they become deficient in the all-important male hormone, testosterone.
NOTE: This content is solely for purposes of information and does not substitute for diagnostic or medical advice. Talk to your doctor if you are experiencing pelvic pain, or have any other health concerns or questions of a personal medical nature.
References
[i] Morgentaler, Abraham. Testosterone and Prostate Cancer: An Historical Perspective on a Modern Myth. European Urology, Volume 50, Issue 5, 935 – 939.
[ii] Pozzi E, Able CA, Kohn T, Kava BR, Montorsi F, Salonia A. Incidence of prostate cancer in men with testosterone deficiency and a family history of prostate cancer receiving testosterone therapy: a comparative study. BMJ Oncol. 2025 Mar 6;4(1):e000520.
[iii] Bhasin S, Travison TG, Pencina KM, et al. Prostate Safety Events During Testosterone Replacement Therapy in Men With Hypogonadism: A Randomized Clinical Trial. JAMA Netw Open. 2023;6:e2348692.
[iv] Pozzi et al, ibid.

About Dr. Dan Sperling

Dan Sperling, MD, DABR, is a board certified radiologist who is globally recognized as a leader in multiparametric MRI for the detection and diagnosis of a range of disease conditions. As Medical Director of the Sperling Prostate Center, Sperling Medical Group and Sperling Neurosurgery Associates, he and his team are on the leading edge of significant change in medical practice. He is the co-author of the new patient book Redefining Prostate Cancer, and is a contributing author on over 25 published studies. For more information, contact the Sperling Prostate Center.

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This study doesn't convince me that I should rush into TTH. It doesn't address how soon after stopping ADT can someone undergo TTH, nor Age or cardiac or overall metabolic health of the person.
I will wait at least 6 months possibly up to a year (same length as my treatment)!

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