Steroid shots?
I have been diagnosed with degenerative disc disease. I have inflammation and severe foraminal narrowing. So far I am very fortunate, I have no pain, just numbness and pins
and needles. I just saw a neurosurgeon and they are recommending pt and steroid shots. My question is do I really need the steroid shots? What benefit is there? I’m really concerned about the risks. Also, this is cervical but there is concern that I have lumbar involvement as well but I haven’t had imaging on that yet. Should I wait on pt until the lumbar is evaluated? I am so overwhelmed.
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@jenniferhunter Jennifer, excellent post as usual.
If pressure on the nerves is causing pins an needles and numbness, would reducing inflammation with a steroid protect the nerves, or are the nerves even at risk?
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2 Reactions@jenniferhunter so sorry you got all that pain after the shot- a story I have heard many times…personally I have done well enough with PT and osteopathic manipulation, which freed me to move , and movement a big help for me….i have learned to listen to my body better, and to know what works…not perfect, but I can have a better life with this conservative management.
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4 Reactions@gently I think the extra "space" that you get by reducing inflammation with a steroid spinal injection is minimal, and when the steroid wears off and is cleared from the body, the inflammation returns to the damaged area and that "space " must shrink away. The risk to the nerves is from compression. With severe compression nerves can die and may not be able to regenerate. There is research going on of course in regenerative medicine, but there do not seem to be miracle cures for spinal cord injuries at this time. But that being said, there was some research at Mayo where a patient with a spinal cord injury was able to walk again with stem cell research, but that was unusual, and most patients in the study did not get such good results. Most spine patients tend to have compression over a period of time that eventually surgeons decompress to save the functional capabilities and prevent further damage.
I guess you can think of it in that steroid injections could buy some time or slow the progression of compression perhaps, but that also depends on how fast things are changing. That may not be the same for everyone. I know with my own MRI imaging of my herniated cervical disc that the amount of bone spurs growing around the herniation doubled in 9 months. My neurological and pain symptoms were also increasing at the same time. I regard the nerves as being at risk if there is compression or instability in the spine. My disk had collapsed by 50% and when I would side bend my neck, I could hit those nerve roots and cause a burning pain in my arms. I didn't have boney growth around the nerve roots, and it was simply that because the disc got thinner, the vertebrae were closer together and didn't have enough space to move without hitting the nerves. Since my fusion corrected that, I can no longer bend at that level and the space for the nerve roots is preserved.
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6 Reactions@jenniferhunter question- is hyaluronic acid used in these cases ? I have heard that it is used for knees somewhat more successfully than some other injections.
@nycmusic I don't know. That would be a good question for a doctor who is giving the injections, I guess. I don't have experience with joint injections other than one given at a diagnostic MRI, and that didn't turn out well.
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They are still using hyaluronic acid. I have no experience.
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2024/august/new-biomaterial-regrows-damaged-cartilage-in-joints
https://jointrehab.com/research-comparing-different-types-of-knee-injections/.
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2024/august/new-biomaterial-regrows-damaged-cartilage-in-joints
https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT06915363
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3 Reactions@gently thanks
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1 ReactionGet a second or even a third opinion before doing anything. See what the consensus is among the doctors.
Since your symptoms are not very serious I would delay any shots or surgery. See what alternate treatments first including some physical therapy.
When I had bad back pain I did the physical therapy first and it helped a little. I than went to the steroid shots every 10-12 months for 4 years. I had not ill effects from the shots and I got rid of the pain including the numbness in my legs and feet. I know some people do have some negative reactions.
Due to my spine getting worse I wanted surgery but I had to delay that because I caught cancer and the surgeon would not do the surgery. I went back to my pain med doctor and he suggest a treatment called Intracept. This heats the vein to stop sending pain signals to the brain. It is a bit more invasive but still can be done as out-patient. I scheduled this for the end of Jan.
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1 Reaction@peter51f I hope you will let us know how the Intracept procedure works on you.