Stem Cell Therapy for Arthritic Knees

Posted by tropicallady1276 @tropicallady1276, May 10, 2017

I am a 77 year old woman with arthritic knees where it’s difficult for me to walk and I’m trying to avoid knee replacement. I have done the Synvisc injections and physical therapy– to no avail. Is there anyone here who has had stem cell therapy for arthritic knees and I would like to know your outcome. I know there are two, one where bone marrow is removed and the other where they take fat from the abdomen and regenerate and inject into the knees. I would like to know the cost and how long the procedure takes and any other information which would be helpful to me. I live in North Jersey and am currently looking for clinics in my area who perform this procedure. I appreciate your help.

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@talan

Most traditional orthopedists would not recommend stem cell at this point as it is not FDA approved and insurance will not cover it. However, my stem cell doc is a retired orthopedic surgeon with a wonderful reputation. For years he had felt there should be a better way than invasive surgeries to correct joint problems. He retired, studied for 4 years, then came back to part time practice just doing stem cell therapy on joints. I am almost 6 weeks out from mine. No joint pain at all, just some soreness and stiffness where my knee is still swollen—but not as swollen as it was before the procedure. I have had two PRP’s (one prior to the procedure and one just a week after) and will have another in a few more weeks. The PRP’s help the stem cells to heal the joint. My stem cells were taken from both bone marrow and from fat cells in my buttocks. I am delighted with the results so far. I would not go to one of the “advertising clinics” that do stem cells. I would not want a chiropractor or non orthopedist to do my procedure. Mine was also done in a sterile room which could be important. A lot to think about, for sure, but do careful and lengthy research before you commit.

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Yes, in the same visit, inject into all areas that u want. All same price. I had 5 injections in 5 joints.

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@talan

Most traditional orthopedists would not recommend stem cell at this point as it is not FDA approved and insurance will not cover it. However, my stem cell doc is a retired orthopedic surgeon with a wonderful reputation. For years he had felt there should be a better way than invasive surgeries to correct joint problems. He retired, studied for 4 years, then came back to part time practice just doing stem cell therapy on joints. I am almost 6 weeks out from mine. No joint pain at all, just some soreness and stiffness where my knee is still swollen—but not as swollen as it was before the procedure. I have had two PRP’s (one prior to the procedure and one just a week after) and will have another in a few more weeks. The PRP’s help the stem cells to heal the joint. My stem cells were taken from both bone marrow and from fat cells in my buttocks. I am delighted with the results so far. I would not go to one of the “advertising clinics” that do stem cells. I would not want a chiropractor or non orthopedist to do my procedure. Mine was also done in a sterile room which could be important. A lot to think about, for sure, but do careful and lengthy research before you commit.

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i had one injection in the knee. That was all i needed.Sore for a week but i notice the difference

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@winning

I got into stem cells from watching a webinar from the Mayo Clinic on the cure for arthritis. I would think it would work on your knees. Cost is a concern for many. Doing research on what doctors to use is important. Cost for me was $7,000, but I have heard some charge more and less. Good luck.

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My Doctor was Roger Kruse in Toledo. Ohio.. I know that Cincinnati has a larger firm associated with Regenexx. They do more procedures. Have a relative who is happy with his care. I know Mayo Clinic also does stem cells.

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@talan

Most traditional orthopedists would not recommend stem cell at this point as it is not FDA approved and insurance will not cover it. However, my stem cell doc is a retired orthopedic surgeon with a wonderful reputation. For years he had felt there should be a better way than invasive surgeries to correct joint problems. He retired, studied for 4 years, then came back to part time practice just doing stem cell therapy on joints. I am almost 6 weeks out from mine. No joint pain at all, just some soreness and stiffness where my knee is still swollen—but not as swollen as it was before the procedure. I have had two PRP’s (one prior to the procedure and one just a week after) and will have another in a few more weeks. The PRP’s help the stem cells to heal the joint. My stem cells were taken from both bone marrow and from fat cells in my buttocks. I am delighted with the results so far. I would not go to one of the “advertising clinics” that do stem cells. I would not want a chiropractor or non orthopedist to do my procedure. Mine was also done in a sterile room which could be important. A lot to think about, for sure, but do careful and lengthy research before you commit.

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My cost was $7000 for knee and $1000 for the back. For me it was worth it.

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Hello @packratfl, were you able to follow up with Mayo Clinic Regenerative Medicine about a stem cell treatment for your knee?

I also have advanced degenerative arthritis with bone on bone in my right knee and the left knee is not a whole lot better but it is functional. The outcome of my recent consult with ortho at Mayo was some PT for ROM stretching, strengthening, and gait training. Then if that doesn't work maybe a steroid or gel shot for the knee. My pain is not bad, probably a 2 or 3 on a scale of 10 but my mobility, balance and walking are impacted and limits pretty much everything I would like to do except watch TV ☺. I've read through the Mayo website information on the stem cell treatments – Bone marrow aspirate concentrate (BMAC) injections and Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) injections.

I had surgery in the mid 70s for torn cartilage in my right knee and it was kind of a botched surgery in that they opened the wrong side of the knee and ended up removing the cartilage from the opposite side. Then in 2007 I had issues with my right leg – gout in the foot, swollen right knee and a diagnosis of polymyalgia rheumatica (PMR). The put me on prednisone and they also aspirated and injected the right knee and it provided relief almost immediately. The PMR has gone into remission but the knee has been bothersome on and off for the past few years. I start my PT today but I'm really doubtful that it is going to do squat for fixing the knee or even making it feel better. I'm kind of looking down the road to see if either stem cell therapy or aspiration of the knee with another shot would be the better option.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions or information.

John

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@johnbishop

Hello @packratfl, were you able to follow up with Mayo Clinic Regenerative Medicine about a stem cell treatment for your knee?

I also have advanced degenerative arthritis with bone on bone in my right knee and the left knee is not a whole lot better but it is functional. The outcome of my recent consult with ortho at Mayo was some PT for ROM stretching, strengthening, and gait training. Then if that doesn't work maybe a steroid or gel shot for the knee. My pain is not bad, probably a 2 or 3 on a scale of 10 but my mobility, balance and walking are impacted and limits pretty much everything I would like to do except watch TV ☺. I've read through the Mayo website information on the stem cell treatments – Bone marrow aspirate concentrate (BMAC) injections and Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) injections.

I had surgery in the mid 70s for torn cartilage in my right knee and it was kind of a botched surgery in that they opened the wrong side of the knee and ended up removing the cartilage from the opposite side. Then in 2007 I had issues with my right leg – gout in the foot, swollen right knee and a diagnosis of polymyalgia rheumatica (PMR). The put me on prednisone and they also aspirated and injected the right knee and it provided relief almost immediately. The PMR has gone into remission but the knee has been bothersome on and off for the past few years. I start my PT today but I'm really doubtful that it is going to do squat for fixing the knee or even making it feel better. I'm kind of looking down the road to see if either stem cell therapy or aspiration of the knee with another shot would be the better option.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions or information.

John

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wow, sounds like u have had it tough. I was on steroids until i was told that steroids kill stem cells. Good luck .

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@johnbishop

Hello @packratfl, were you able to follow up with Mayo Clinic Regenerative Medicine about a stem cell treatment for your knee?

I also have advanced degenerative arthritis with bone on bone in my right knee and the left knee is not a whole lot better but it is functional. The outcome of my recent consult with ortho at Mayo was some PT for ROM stretching, strengthening, and gait training. Then if that doesn't work maybe a steroid or gel shot for the knee. My pain is not bad, probably a 2 or 3 on a scale of 10 but my mobility, balance and walking are impacted and limits pretty much everything I would like to do except watch TV ☺. I've read through the Mayo website information on the stem cell treatments – Bone marrow aspirate concentrate (BMAC) injections and Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) injections.

I had surgery in the mid 70s for torn cartilage in my right knee and it was kind of a botched surgery in that they opened the wrong side of the knee and ended up removing the cartilage from the opposite side. Then in 2007 I had issues with my right leg – gout in the foot, swollen right knee and a diagnosis of polymyalgia rheumatica (PMR). The put me on prednisone and they also aspirated and injected the right knee and it provided relief almost immediately. The PMR has gone into remission but the knee has been bothersome on and off for the past few years. I start my PT today but I'm really doubtful that it is going to do squat for fixing the knee or even making it feel better. I'm kind of looking down the road to see if either stem cell therapy or aspiration of the knee with another shot would be the better option.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions or information.

John

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Thanks @cobweb — I probably made it sound worse than it is. I'm actually doing pretty good other than the knee so I'm counting my blessings it's not any worse. I would like to be able to walk normally again and be able to do more in the yard though.

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i was given a stem cell knee brace. Really great. I wear it when gardening and golfing. Provides great stability.

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@talan

Most traditional orthopedists would not recommend stem cell at this point as it is not FDA approved and insurance will not cover it. However, my stem cell doc is a retired orthopedic surgeon with a wonderful reputation. For years he had felt there should be a better way than invasive surgeries to correct joint problems. He retired, studied for 4 years, then came back to part time practice just doing stem cell therapy on joints. I am almost 6 weeks out from mine. No joint pain at all, just some soreness and stiffness where my knee is still swollen—but not as swollen as it was before the procedure. I have had two PRP’s (one prior to the procedure and one just a week after) and will have another in a few more weeks. The PRP’s help the stem cells to heal the joint. My stem cells were taken from both bone marrow and from fat cells in my buttocks. I am delighted with the results so far. I would not go to one of the “advertising clinics” that do stem cells. I would not want a chiropractor or non orthopedist to do my procedure. Mine was also done in a sterile room which could be important. A lot to think about, for sure, but do careful and lengthy research before you commit.

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Hello @gosabi0212, welcome to Connect. I am glad you were able to get such quick responses in regards to stem cell therapy. If you are interested, Mayo Clinic does have a regenerative medicine department that you can contact for more information on stem cell therapies. They may even be able to help give you advice on things to look out for when you are seeking care:

How the process works when a patient call the Regenerative Medicine Consult Service:

Transplant Call-in Center
844-276-2003

What to expect when you call the number:
– An employee will answer and ask the nature of why you are calling
– Say you are interested to stem cells for osteoarthritis or whichever joint ails you
– The employee will funnel your call to the appropriate coordinators from there
– For joint issues, you will be transferred to PMR (Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation)
– Appointment coordinators will ask more specific questions (inclusion and exclusion criteria)

If you meet the criteria:
– You will be asked to send in your records and a doctor will look at it in a case-by-case basis

Important Notes to be Aware of:
– PMR is a busy practice, so wait times may exist but answers will be given
– If a treatment exists in the clinic for a diagnosis (i.e. Leukemia) stem cells are not offered
– Price is out of pocket
– Types of stem cell treatments offered are Bone marrow aspirate concentrate (BMAC) injections and Platelet rich plasma (PRP) injections.

You can find more specific information on these types of injections here, http://mayocl.in/2AUIoAn.

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@petman56

I was a runner when I was young and now I have no cartridge in my knees. Dr says full knee replacement!
I have had 3 DVT's (blood clots) and 2 other clots that made it to my lungs. (PE) The thought of having knee replacement surgery scares the heck out of me because of possible clots. I really don't want to die from a clot to fix my knees. What do you suggest?

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I am in my 6th week after bilateral total knee replacement everything seemed to be going so well until 2 weeks ago. The pain medication has severely knocked me around making me continually nauseous, drowsy and listless. I can’t do anything. Dr has reduced medication but vomiting, diarrhea, breathlessness continues I wish I never had it done and don’t feel I will ever be ready for the workplace again

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I was a runner when I was young and now I have no cartridge in my knees. Dr says full knee replacement!
I have had 3 DVT's (blood clots) and 2 other clots that made it to my lungs. (PE) The thought of having knee replacement surgery scares the heck out of me because of possible clots. I really don't want to die from a clot to fix my knees. What do you suggest?

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@petman56

I was a runner when I was young and now I have no cartridge in my knees. Dr says full knee replacement!
I have had 3 DVT's (blood clots) and 2 other clots that made it to my lungs. (PE) The thought of having knee replacement surgery scares the heck out of me because of possible clots. I really don't want to die from a clot to fix my knees. What do you suggest?

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Hello @petman56, you may notice that I merged your discussion with an existing discussion titled, "Stem cell therapy for arthritic knees." I moved it here so you could read through some of the other members' posts on stem cell treatments for arthritic knees. @petman56, did you discuss potential stem cell treatments with your provider?

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For anyone in the Rochester Minnesota area, Mayo Clinic has a clinical trial that may be of interest to you if you meet the criteria. I'm too old at 75 ☺

A Study of the Safety and Usability of Culture Expanded STEM Cells Derived from the Patient's Own Fat Tissue for Treatment of Knee Osteoarthritis
https://www.mayo.edu/research/clinical-trials/cls-20209817

John

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@johnbishop

For anyone in the Rochester Minnesota area, Mayo Clinic has a clinical trial that may be of interest to you if you meet the criteria. I'm too old at 75 ☺

A Study of the Safety and Usability of Culture Expanded STEM Cells Derived from the Patient's Own Fat Tissue for Treatment of Knee Osteoarthritis
https://www.mayo.edu/research/clinical-trials/cls-20209817

John

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Not that I didn't plead my case for an expansion of the age criteria or an exception. Rats! Not evening crying worked ☺

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@mari

Most traditional orthopedists would not recommend stem cell at this point as it is not FDA approved and insurance will not cover it. So what if FDA is behind the times? In a few years i’ll bet cells will be covered by insurance. Why Medicare would rather pay out $60,000. for surgery when $4500. may do it all, with no failures?
Has anyone ever heard of someone Not having Great results with cells?

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I have had both knees done a year ago doing great can walk with no pain cortège regroth , I’m looking for someone that has had stem cells done to repair a full rotator cuff tear I do not want surgery on my shoulder again worst surgery

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