Spinal stenosis- lumbar

Posted by patriciajennye @patriciajennye, Feb 4, 2018

Has anyone suffered from lumbar spinal stenosis and the severe pain that goes with it? Did you have surgery? Mayo Clinic?

@gailb

@parus

I know Medicare nor my supplemental will pay for ART. However, I found it so helpful that I decided to pay for it myself. Did you find out how much it will cost for each session? I pay $95 per session, but that includes Laser Therapy and regular spinal realignment. I think the ART alone would be around $45 per session. For me, it's money well-spent because it allows me to function as a whole being.

I'm sorry to hear about your tiredness. If you are having pain and/or depression a constant basis that will sap your energy both physically and psychically, as I'm sure you know. I go thru times of feeling exhausted after I've been extra busy. I've learned to plan for about 3 days of resting after big events. Thanksgiving really threw me out of commission for 4 days this time, plus I've had to get ART treatments 3 times due to my arms, shoulders mid back and ribs being in so much pain. I think it was making 3 huge apple pies from scratch, along with helping on the rest of the meal and preparation for 50 guests that finished me off. It cost me $300! Very rare that I need that much work from my chiropractor! My body is teaching me, it's "Your money or your life." I'd rather give my money, but then I can afford to do that and others can't. Hopefully your ART practitioners are less expensive than mine in Southern California, where everything costs more. I feel much better after the 2nd treatment and tomorrow I have my final treatment of the 3. Then December 1st is my first grandson's wedding in Palm Springs. It's going to be a big "do", so I need to take care of myself and not get too tired. We have a room at the hotel where the reception is, so I can excuse myself and rest as needed.

I hope you find relief Parus, and that you get your energy back. Were you able to spend time with your grandson at Thanksgiving? I know that means so much to you.

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@gailb Thanks for the laughter!! “Your money or your life”. Girl you be a hoot!! Apple pie is one of my favorites. I did egg noodles from scratch and my neck, shoulders and mid-back are still shouting at me. They were a hit at the pitch-in too!! The noodles 😉

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@lioness

@chas93 You mentioned you had or have back fracture Have you gone to an Orthopedic Dr? for this? You do need to be under Dr,s care if your not I hope@ Colleen Young the connect director will reply as she can give you information on the Mayo Clinic in Az,Mn,and Jacksonville Fla also satellite Mayo,s .

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Thank you very much!!

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@gailb

@shoregal45

No, ART isn't painful. Well, the deep muscle stimulation/massage can be, but your practitioner should ask you how much you can handle. At first I was in so much pain that I couldn't stand much more, so Dr. Andrews was easy on me. Over time I have found that the deeper the muscle stimulation the better my recovery. The doctor still asks me whenever I go if it's too much, and sometimes I'm more sensitive so I ask him to go easy; he does. Along with, or part of the ART is Laser therapy which heats the muscle area, bringing blood and healing to the muscles and nervesee being worked on. I am very happy with the work they do. I told the doctor he's the oil for my aches and pains.

He also has a hyperbaric chamber in his center, and after I do some research, I may try using it. Let me know if you try ART. You can Google ART to find out more about how it works. Good luck.

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They will not do laser therapy on my back because of the cyst in my spinal cord but you guys really give me hope thank you very much I plan on calling the Mayo Clinic and seeing if they can do anything for me considering the circumstances I don’t have income right now but I know my mom would be willing to help tax season if she has it cause she hates seeing me like this. I truly appreciate all of your input and it really doesn’t give me hope that something has to give and there has to be some help for me somewhere no matter what there is help

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@parus

Im glad I made you laugh.😊 It's amazing tp me that making food that was so easy to do previously can be so painful now! I truly appreciate my grandmother who when she was older than me, cooked and baked daily with no complaints. She had a hunched back thst took her from 5'6" to 4'9" by the time she was 74 years old. I never heard her complain about her back pain which must have been terrible. Feel good Paris.

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@chas93

Thank you very much!!

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@chas93your welcome take care of yourself

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@gailb

@shoregal45

No, ART isn't painful. Well, the deep muscle stimulation/massage can be, but your practitioner should ask you how much you can handle. At first I was in so much pain that I couldn't stand much more, so Dr. Andrews was easy on me. Over time I have found that the deeper the muscle stimulation the better my recovery. The doctor still asks me whenever I go if it's too much, and sometimes I'm more sensitive so I ask him to go easy; he does. Along with, or part of the ART is Laser therapy which heats the muscle area, bringing blood and healing to the muscles and nervesee being worked on. I am very happy with the work they do. I told the doctor he's the oil for my aches and pains.

He also has a hyperbaric chamber in his center, and after I do some research, I may try using it. Let me know if you try ART. You can Google ART to find out more about how it works. Good luck.

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@gailb – is the dr a chiropractor? where/how did you find him?

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@barbarn

Yes, he's a chiropractor. I found him by Googlein "ART practitioners in my area." When I got the list I looked at each one's ART training and certifications and choose the one with the most certifications. I lucked out and he is excellent. I also asked a favorite therapeutic masseuse if he knew anything about Dr.Andrews and he said that the Dr was his chiropractor! Great recommendation.

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Hi, here we are. January 2019. In Florida from Canada for the winter. Heard about minimally invasive surgery…consult and assessed to find severe impingement L5 nerves, accompanying stenosis. Bone spurs are a complicating factor and major surgery is recommended. ++++pain, numbness, tingling both legs, predominantly calves and feet. So I'm pretty discouraged. Canada jyst tells me "you are a chronic pain patient. That's it. That's all." I'm 70….my life can't be over already?

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@katie215

Hi, here we are. January 2019. In Florida from Canada for the winter. Heard about minimally invasive surgery…consult and assessed to find severe impingement L5 nerves, accompanying stenosis. Bone spurs are a complicating factor and major surgery is recommended. ++++pain, numbness, tingling both legs, predominantly calves and feet. So I'm pretty discouraged. Canada jyst tells me "you are a chronic pain patient. That's it. That's all." I'm 70….my life can't be over already?

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@katie215 Welcome to our wonderful group Did you have the surgery? Was it open or non,-invasive? I ask as I had a L2fracture and now impinged nerves so I can relate to the pain I did find Tai Chi that has helped @parus recommended Don Fiore for the instructor on You Tube

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I had facet joint injections in August as have degenerated bone disease in lower spine . I sobbed through whole process pleading with them to stop . I have rang clinic 27 times for earlier appointment to see doctor sooner as in excruciating pain since , being to a/e three times and got 2 Valium . I'm presently on tradol. Lycra.oxcotin. And antiflamitries but nothing even hitting pain which now apart from my back is now crippling my left leg . I eventually got call off some doctor whom iv never met sounded Asian warning me to stop ringing his clinic and hung up on me not even allowing me to speak . I now have appointment tomorrow and am literally suicidal if they do nothing for me . Please can anyone advise I'm literally at the end of line here , I was working full time before this now I can't even walk ,sit or stand , xxxxx

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@lioness

@katie215 Welcome to our wonderful group Did you have the surgery? Was it open or non,-invasive? I ask as I had a L2fracture and now impinged nerves so I can relate to the pain I did find Tai Chi that has helped @parus recommended Don Fiore for the instructor on You Tube

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@lioness Thank you so much for even finding me tonight and responding. No surgery. Too complicated for minimally invasive laser. As a Canadian, it's virtually impossible to see a neurosurgeon. Wait times could be up to 6 years. My assessment at Laser Spine Institute was complete and thorough and although they wanted to help me, my situation would require fusions, removal of bone spurs leaving me with the possibility of not having enough support bone; requiring further surgery. At my age, 70…formerly active, I'm devastated. +++pain killers surely cannot be my steady diet going forward. I checked in here at Mayo Connect…for information and wondering if it would actually be worthwhile to ask a Mayo to review my case. We are self pay.

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@katie215

@lioness Thank you so much for even finding me tonight and responding. No surgery. Too complicated for minimally invasive laser. As a Canadian, it's virtually impossible to see a neurosurgeon. Wait times could be up to 6 years. My assessment at Laser Spine Institute was complete and thorough and although they wanted to help me, my situation would require fusions, removal of bone spurs leaving me with the possibility of not having enough support bone; requiring further surgery. At my age, 70…formerly active, I'm devastated. +++pain killers surely cannot be my steady diet going forward. I checked in here at Mayo Connect…for information and wondering if it would actually be worthwhile to ask a Mayo to review my case. We are self pay.

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@katie215 I'd like to ask @john Bishop to email you he is very knowledgeable about Mayo. The things that I,ve found to help is Ice for the inflammation ,heat helps to heal and feels good ,a Tens Unit it relaxes your muscles Tai Chi by Don Fiore on u tube This has helped with the nerves as mine where burny nerves in thighs .I also go to my chiropractor he uses the Tens first with ice or heat I prefer the ice ,backs are difficult I have since 05 when I fractured my back been on Tramadol 50 mg. Only 1 or 2 now I wish you luck

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