Sciatica nightmare

Posted by joy75 @joy75, Jan 4 10:07am

Hello everyone,

First of all, I wanted to let you all know that each and every one of you have all my empathy for what you are facing everyday...

I actually registered here quite awhile ago, but the irony is I have been in too much pain most days, while also being plagued by some kind of nebulous equally debilitating chronic fatigue to even compose a post...

But I am on this board seeking support for what I have been enduring now for over a year.

I was diagnosed with an L5 herniated disc with spinal stenosis resulting in bilateral sciatica after an urgent MRI which ruled out cauda equine syndrome.

(6 months before being correctly diagnosed a doctor told me it was "just" somatic pain, and did no investigation.)

Anyway, most days the pain radiating from my lower back into my legs and right down to the soles of my feet has been debilitating, to the point I will have to hire a homemaker to come and sweep and mop, do my laundry, and clean my bathtub as it is so painful to bend from the waist.

I was initailly taking pregablin,with no relief, and horrible side effects.
Could not walk properly, had a few falls, double vision.

Now i am on 400 mgs of gabapentin which seems not to touch my pain either.

I am also prescribed 1000 mgs of acetominophin up to 3 times a day, but since it is like a sugar pill, I rarely take it.

I have been to the ER twice when the pain was too intense to bear.

The first time, I had the MRI and was sent home with a script for naproxen, which I have found can even hurt my stomach when I take it with food, and as well it too does really nothing to alleviate my pain.

My doctor referred me to a pain clinic months ago, but the waiting list is insanely long.

The second time I went to the ER, the doctor was very empathetic and validating, and gave me a short script for oxycodone, of course with no refills, but for a few days I was blissfully pain free.

I was referred to a neurosurgeon who said there was nothing he could do...

In the meantime I have spent hundreds of dollars on osteopaths, massage, acupuncture, and all manner of useless topical stuff to no avail.

I know I need to excersice more, and I stretch several times a day, have started walking which supposedly ought to help, but my heels hurt when I walk.

I am going to be 51 this year, but already use a cane.

I also have a myriad of mental health conditions which my pain is exacerbating.

I cant really afford it, but tomorrow first thing I am going to make an appointment to start physio.

(I am leery of chiropractic, but if all else fails I suppose I might try that too.)

I never learned how to swim, but I have read to even walk frontwards and backwards etc in a pool can be helpful.

As I write this, my back, glutes, legs and feet are absolutely throbbing.

Forgive me for whining, I know so many of you are trying to cope with far worse, but I feel so isolated and needed to reach out here...

I am Canadian by the way, so hope ok to be here, I respect The Mayo Clinic a great deal...

Thank you for reading if you have, and sending you all much compassion.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Chronic Pain Support Group.

@joy75 I am sorry but it DOES seem like your cauda equina is being compressed! I had the same thing. (exactly the same from your description!) Was ALSO TOLD BY A NEUROSURGEON HE COULDN'T DO A THING. (What a jerk and he ended up being the head of a dept at the biggest teaching university in the U.S.. after 20 years). You need to see an ORTHOPEDIC surgeon, with current MRI in hand. But honestly, they will do a simple xray in their office so don't worry if your MRI is older than one year. I had FOUR different opinions. By the time I walked into my prince charming surgeon, it took a blink of an eye for me to say DO IT (the surgery). My vertebra had actually fused ITSELF together when the disc fell out over 20 years. I had the SAME debilitation in my legs. The nerves were permanently damaged by the time I found prince charming surgeon. Everything you described is your Cauda Equina being SQUISHED to their demise. I am THRILLED with my lumbar surgery every day of every week of every month of every year since 2018. GET ANOTHER OPINION from a good orthopedic school! (did I say I had FOUR?!) Private doctors were terrible, I found. One said I had nothing but a sprained back, the other wanted to completely fuse me from neck to tailbone! DON'T STOP reaching out. It sounds like you are being ran through the hamster wheel. I know. My orthopedic work is done at UCSD.

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Hello, everyone...

Please forgive me for not coming back and replying to all of you who so compassionately reached back to me.

I pray you do not find me rude and ungrateful, I just simply, again since I posted in initially have been in the grips of such unrelenting pain and fatigue ( I suppose that is for another board, forgive me, just needed to let you all know I have been so incapacitated by both of these afflictions that I am barley functioning...and yet I feel terrible, as so many of you are still suffering but made the time to be so kind as to reply to me. Please know how much I appreciate the support and empathy and suggestions....I am a little overwhelmed right now and I hope you all understand that while I would like to be gracious as I ought to be and reply to each of you individually, no word of a lie, here at 12:15 AM after sleeping almost half the day, I am still exhausted and my back is completely seized up, so will attempt to make some sort of sense...)

As far as opioids go, there is no way my doctor will prescribe one to me, even if I tearfully plead with him that it is the only thing that gave me any relief...he is very dismissive of my pain, my "back pain" as he always says, even though I have tried to tell him it is the entire lower half of my body that is in pain...he is the one who prescribed the tylelnol, and always throws tylenol for arthritis samples at me, which I have told him do not touch my pain.

Wait times here in Canada for pain clinics are, like so many things here terribly long.

The neurosurgeon I saw is the best of the best and said he could not help me.

I have been looking at back braces, the ones specifically for sciatica I have seen are only for one leg, as apparently bilateral sciatica is rare.

I am sorry if I sound so very, "yeah, but, yeah but..."

I just feel so defeated.

And I know I am too hyperfocused on my pain, which probably only makes it worse.

I admire all of you for your being so proactive in dealing with your pain.

Thank you all again for caring.

I will try to be better as far as replying to you all individually, and lending my support to you all as well.

Thank you for your kindness and suggestions and prayers.

I feel less alone, however I wish that you all had no idea what I am going through.

God Bless you all.

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@joy75
You're more than welcome and you worry about you, not us. You have enough on your plate.

I used to suffer Cluster Headache for 20 years and I'd never even met anyone similar that could understand what I was going through. I still get them but nowhere near as frequent.

I joined a start-up support forum around 2005. It was such a great comfort to speak to other people from around the world and compare experiences, treatments or just even have a laugh together. It's since developed into an full blown international awareness organisation.

* Getting the right doctor IS half the battle.

I live in Scotland and over the years the pressure on the NHS means we no longer have a family doctor at our local clinic. Every time I attend it's somebody different.
I've had the odd good one and some very, very bad ones that won't listen at all even to the point of being rude that just brush you off to an infuriating degree.

Try to see somebody else if you can as it doesn't seem your doc is taking you seriously and is an obstical to you. I've been there and just got lucky.
Don't give up, keep hammering away at them and you may get your way, if anything just for them to shut you up. Better still get somebody else until you find a decent one. Even formally complain.

Why should you live a crappy lifestyle in needless agony because of them? You having paid into a healthcare system your whole life then be fobbed off when you're desperate for help. It's ridiculous.

Hang in there and best wishes.

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@jason321 I, too, started Tramadol for lower back pain. I was also put on Diclofenac K. The combination worked well to help control my pain. Just like your experience, I have developed a tolerance. Three 50 mg tablets do virtually nothing to help me. It's too bad that the pain docs are so afraid of prescribing something stronger. I wish you well.

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@heisenberg34 What’s to say you won’t build up a tolerance to the stronger opioids? Therein lies the problem. For many of us.

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@heisenberg34 What’s to say you won’t build up a tolerance to the stronger opioids? Therein lies the problem. For many of us.

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@jackiet Ah, there's the rub. If only the new, non-opioid drug, Journavyx, worked on my pain. It's like eating a sugar cube. At 78, and in severe pain, I would gladly take the chance if the stronger drug gave me blessed relief.

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Joy, so sorry to read of your forever pain. Have you got or borrowed an inversion chair. It takes your weight off your spine.
Then take PLENTY of methylcobalamin (B12,) That regrows missing myelin insulation around that huge nerve leaving your back.

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@jason321 Has anyone suggested a spinal cord stimulator? When my meds began to lose their efficacy, I did a trial which went very well. The permanent implant gave me my life back for a couple of years. Unfortunately, the paddle lead shorted out and it stopped working. It doesn’t help everyone but it helps quite a few.

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@heisenberg34
I take it that's like an implanted type TENS machine idea. My physio suggested using a regular external one last year but those I looked at on the web would say expensive junk, not fit for purpose etc. in a lot of the reviews. I may yet give one a try anyway but I wouldn't be expecting miracles just some added relief.

I'd be very fearfull of having any kind of permanent operation. There was a scandal here not long ago that reached government level on TV news of botched spinal ops that had made people worse instead of better.
I suppose there's always an element of risk but that's done little for my confidence in going down that road unless absolutely necessary.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

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@heisenberg34
I take it that's like an implanted type TENS machine idea. My physio suggested using a regular external one last year but those I looked at on the web would say expensive junk, not fit for purpose etc. in a lot of the reviews. I may yet give one a try anyway but I wouldn't be expecting miracles just some added relief.

I'd be very fearfull of having any kind of permanent operation. There was a scandal here not long ago that reached government level on TV news of botched spinal ops that had made people worse instead of better.
I suppose there's always an element of risk but that's done little for my confidence in going down that road unless absolutely necessary.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

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@jason321 I hear you loud and clear. A major surgery like a spinal cord stimulator is not to be taken lightly. One should be at a place where most options have been exhausted. Pain is robbing you of life. The trial involves a neurosurgeon making a small incision in the lumber spine area and inserting a temporary lead into the space surrounding the spinal cord. The other end of the lead is attached to a battery pack that is worn on the lower back. You wear this for a few days to see how it affects your pain. They are looking for at least 50% reduction. If you choose, you can have the permanent implant done.
Obviously, no guarantees. It dropped my pain by about 70%. Hope you can find something to help with your pain.

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FIRST, NO CHIROPRACTOR believe me I had debilitating back pain for years and sure opiates did the trick and that's why I'm on Suboxens now going on 8 yrs. I've had 4 lower back surgeries,,both hips replaced,,,lung cancer with lobectomy. So I know alot about PAIN. YOU GET TO A NUROSURGEON. NO if,, ands,,or buts my last back surgery was a Spinal Fusion BAMM! End of back pain. Previous 3 surgeries were Steninosis Ya hammer and chisel to chip away at spurs and arthritic bone ,ya they worked along with opiates but really hard to cut straight line with skillsaw when falling asleep lol ,,Home Remodeling 47 years. U get back to surgeon and demand FUSION.
GOOD LUCK

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@twistedwillow

I've had this surgery on S1, L5, and L4. In a laminectomy, the surgeon drills a hole in the back of the vertebra and this allows more room for the sciatic nerve. It also allows the surgeon to remove any arthritic spurs (osteophytes). And because the vertebra is left pretty much intact, recovery is/can be short.

I may still need to have these vertebrae fused. I have stenosis, listhesis, scoliosis, and a lot of arthritis. I'm 71, normal weight and in the gym everyday. But I do wake up to a lot of back tightness and periodic cramping in ny hamstrings.

Has anyone reading this had lumbar fusion surgery? If so, what was the cause and what was the outcome?

I've had both knees replaced, right hip and left shoulder. I'm no stranger to ortho surgery. I would really like to avoid lumbar fusion. My surgeon tells me my well-conditioned core is literally holding my lunbar spine together. I'm 71 and it seems like fusion surgery is in my future, so any info people can share would be useful.

Thank you TW and thanks all!

Joe

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@heyjoe415 I had L5-S1 fusion back in 2017. The ortho surgeon said I had spondylolisthesis. This surgery was supposed to help reduce the pain that I was experiencing due to a ski fall. It was a very unpleasant experience. In the long run it did not help to reduce my pain. Looking back, I don't believe that I would have the surgery again.

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@jackiet Ah, there's the rub. If only the new, non-opioid drug, Journavyx, worked on my pain. It's like eating a sugar cube. At 78, and in severe pain, I would gladly take the chance if the stronger drug gave me blessed relief.

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@heisenberg34 Yes, I understand what you’re saying. I don’t need to go into my own story. Just let me say that some people build up tolerance to opioids fast. I was one of them, and over time it also messed up my digestive tract. So I am titrating off.

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