Rising PSA at 5 months post-RALP

Posted by animate @animate, 3 days ago

Hello,

With all the fantastic expertise and valuable experiences from the members of this forum, which have provided great help for me in this rugged journey during the past months, I am hoping to receive some feedback regarding my current situation. At 5 months post-RALP, my PSA is at 0.19, practically at the 0.20 cutoff to be considered biochemical recurrence.

At this time, the Oncologist has indicated that we wait another 3 weeks to have another PSA test, and then another PSA test 2 weeks after that, with the intention of confirming an upward trend or a possible stabilization of the value in that range. He has also indicated that I get a PSMA PET/CT at this time, to rule out any signs of possible spread to other areas. He would like to have these test results before we can confirm that SRT is required, which he has pointed as the most likely path for me, along with ADT.

For reference, below is a summary of my clinical profile.

*** My concerns are:
- With a PSA of 0.19, if we wait another 5 weeks for the tests are we risking a further quick rise in PSA that could put me at a less favorable situation to begin SRT/ADT? Should the treatment not be started right away, as I am now within the optimal early salvage window?

- Would ADT really be required? My understanding is that my factors in favor of considering adding ADT are: Gleason 4+3, Positive margin (3 mm, pattern 4), PSA post-RALP: 0.02 → 0.18 → 0.19 (early recurrence) // However, factors against considering the need to add ADT: pT2 (organ-confined), PSA ~0.19, pN0 (nodes negative at surgery), Low tumor volume (~5%).
Would the improvement in cure probability that ADT would add for me be worth the negative side effects?

- Is a PSMA PET/CT scan really required, given that all my image and pathology reports have shown no signs of extracapsular extension? Also, with a PSA of 0.19, will the CT scan show anything (microscopic / below detection)?

Thank you in advance for reviewing my case and concerns, and for providing any possible comments or suggestions.

//// Clinical Profile ////

**Age:** 56 years
**Diagnosis:** Acinar adenocarcinoma of the prostate
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## **PSA Evolution**
* Aug 2019: 0.599
* Sep 2021: 0.732
* Jan 2023: 0.98
* May 2024: 2.53
* Jun 2025: 3.90

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## **MRI (July 2025)**
* Single lesion, PI-RADS 4
* Location: left peripheral zone (posterolateral, lower third)
* Size: 8 mm

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## **Prostate Biopsy (August 2025)**
* 5 out of 15 cores positive
* 2 cores: Gleason 6 (3+3) → low volume
* 2 cores: Gleason 7 (3+4) → significant volume (up to 61%)
* 1 core: Gleason 8 (4+4) → present (transitional zone)

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## **PSMA PET/CT (September 2025)**
* Focal uptake in prostate (left peripheral zone)
* **miTNM:** T2u N0 M0
**No evidence of:
* Extracapsular extension
* Nodal involvement
* Distant metastases

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## **Robotic Radical Prostatectomy (November 2025)**
# **Final Pathology**
* **Type: Acinar adenocarcinoma
* **Gleason score: 4+3=7 (Grade Group 3)
* **Pattern 4 predominance in tumor: 90%

**Tumor characteristics:**
* Prostate involvement: 5%
* Multifocal
* No extracapsular extension (pT2)
* Seminal vesicles: negative
* Lymph nodes: 0/1 negative (pN0)
* Perineural invasion: present
* No lymphovascular invasion

**Key finding:**
* **Positive surgical margin**
* Location: left posterior apex
* Length: 3 mm
* Gleason pattern 4 at margin

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## **Postoperative PSA**
* Dec 2025 (5 weeks): 0.02
* Mar 2026 (4 months): 0.18
* Apr 2026 (4.5 months): 0.19

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## **Overall Risk Assessment (Post-Prostatectomy)**

### **Adverse Factors**
* Positive surgical margin (pattern 4)
* Gleason 4+3 (high proportion of pattern 4)
* Early PSA rise (< 6 months)

### **Favorable Factors**
* pT2 (no extracapsular extension)
* pN0
* Negative PSMA PET
* Low tumor volume (5%)

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Well we are both welcome to our own opinions based on our past knowledge.

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@clevelandguy
Micrometastases of prostate cancer are very small clusters of cancer cells, typically defined as having a maximum diameter of 2 mm or less. These tiny deposits often escape detection on standard imaging scans (MRI or CT). While often under 2 mm, some clinical definitions in research contexts may refer to lesions up to 1 cm as "micrometastases" in lymph nodes.

Those are exactly what they cannot see when doing a PSMA Pet Scan.

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@clevelandguy
Thank you for your response. I am getting the sense that getting the PET scan will be the safest option.

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@animate
100% support getting the PET scan. Similar diagnosis to yours. My PSA rose to .2 after 9 months and we discovered via scan a cancer lesion in my pelvis bone. 8 focused radiation treatments on the lesion, plus Orgovyx and Nubequa, have reduced my PSA to near 0.

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@clevelandguy
Micro metastasis are smaller than 2 mm So neither scan is gonna find them.

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@jeffmarc
What I am saying is that the PET scan is very sensitive in picking out micromets cancer locations and is one of the better if not the best tool for finding them. If it does not pick them up until it’s 2.999mm I don’t care. When your PSA starts to rise the doctor is not going to say oh, it’s on 1.99mm so we are not going to give you a PET scan. It shows up in the scan when it shows up. You get scans until something shows. It is not so much the size which you seem to be hung up on but the fact that the PET scans will find small metastatic cancers sites to zap with radiation. Metastatic cancer is defined as cancer that has spread from the original site. Ya can’t kill it without finding it.

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@jeffmarc
What I am saying is that the PET scan is very sensitive in picking out micromets cancer locations and is one of the better if not the best tool for finding them. If it does not pick them up until it’s 2.999mm I don’t care. When your PSA starts to rise the doctor is not going to say oh, it’s on 1.99mm so we are not going to give you a PET scan. It shows up in the scan when it shows up. You get scans until something shows. It is not so much the size which you seem to be hung up on but the fact that the PET scans will find small metastatic cancers sites to zap with radiation. Metastatic cancer is defined as cancer that has spread from the original site. Ya can’t kill it without finding it.

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@clevelandguy
The problem is that most people who get PSMA pet scans after having surgery, and then having their PSA rise, Almost always find nothing. If they do have Mini metastasis, they don’t show up so they don’t know to treat them. That’s why they do salvage radiation so often. Same thing with radiation.

Some doctors will wait around until the PSA rises a lot, and they can actually see metastasis. You just can’t expect that PET scan to find them after initial treatment.

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