Rising PSA years after radical prostatectomy

Posted by olanordman @olanordman, Feb 22, 2021

I am 60 years and I had radical prostatectomy on 23rd Nov 2018. I was told out of the 15 lymph nodes taken only one was affected less than a millimetre. It was Gleason score 7B with PSA around 13 at time of surgery but 11 at time of diagnosis in June 2018.

The PSA been fluctuating between 0.09 and 0.18 since surgery on 23rd November 2018
I have no incontinence as well as Erectile dysfunction. I take hypertension medication – Norvask Amlodipine 5mg daily and Cetirizine 5mg for allergy. Below are some of the test results. I have many of these test results – a few below
Jan 2019: 0.11
April 2019: 0.11
June 2019: 0.09
August 2019: 0.12
December 2019: 0.12
April 2020: 0.12
August 2020: 0.11
October 2020: 0.17
December 2020: 0.15
February 2021: 0.18

I am worried the cancer may be returning or might have spread. I met my doctor today and expressed my concerns. He has agreed to refer me to the hospital where I had the surgery. Any suggestions based on this brief history?

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Had a prostatectomy 3years ago undetected now psa going up and down 0.09 3months later undetected come back 6 months 0.22 had Gleason 7 localized cancer what now have to get checked another month now

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@dontpanic67

Had a prostatectomy 3years ago undetected now psa going up and down 0.09 3months later undetected come back 6 months 0.22 had Gleason 7 localized cancer what now have to get checked another month now

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your question to the forum is?

PSA can vary for a number of reasons....

What you want to consider is a continuous upward trends, three or more readings spaced somewhere between 2-4 months apart.

As much as you can try to keep the conditions the same, lab, time, what you do prior....

Have decision criteria, how many labs, how far apart, at what PSA will we image...

What is the decision criteria to start treatment - number of PSA increases, imaging, PSADT...and what will that treatment be based on the clinical data, your preference for balancing quality and quantity of life, any co-morbidities such as cardiovascular which may influence choice of treatment..

Kevin

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@dontpanic67

Had a prostatectomy 3years ago undetected now psa going up and down 0.09 3months later undetected come back 6 months 0.22 had Gleason 7 localized cancer what now have to get checked another month now

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Biochemical Recurrence (BCR) after prostatectomy is not uncommon and often defined as PSA greater than .2 (after recheck).
Treatment "sweet spot" is .2 - .4/.5
Absent imaging identification of cancer elsewhere, belief is that cancer cells remain in and around prostate bed and/or pelvic lymph nodes.

See SPPORT trial.

I had immediate postop BCR at .19 (retested .18)
Salvage treatment (tx) at Johns Hopkins: Whole pelvic and pelvic lymph node radiation and 4 mos ADT completed 6 mos ago. First post salvage tx PSA undetectable at < .02. Praying for undetectable to continue of course.
Clearly, your Radiation Oncologist/Medical Oncologist will guide you.
Best wishes.

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@dontpanic67

Had a prostatectomy 3years ago undetected now psa going up and down 0.09 3months later undetected come back 6 months 0.22 had Gleason 7 localized cancer what now have to get checked another month now

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You should follow the advice of kulihawk1978 and michaelcharles. To understand the trend; what were your PSA's prior to the .22. Make sure you use the same lab and avoid bike riding and sex for a few days before the PSA test. It would appear that you are looking at BCR (biochemical recurrence) and a consult with your radiation oncologist is in order. You should start researching BCR after surgery to better understand the next step in your journey.

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@michaelcharles

Biochemical Recurrence (BCR) after prostatectomy is not uncommon and often defined as PSA greater than .2 (after recheck).
Treatment "sweet spot" is .2 - .4/.5
Absent imaging identification of cancer elsewhere, belief is that cancer cells remain in and around prostate bed and/or pelvic lymph nodes.

See SPPORT trial.

I had immediate postop BCR at .19 (retested .18)
Salvage treatment (tx) at Johns Hopkins: Whole pelvic and pelvic lymph node radiation and 4 mos ADT completed 6 mos ago. First post salvage tx PSA undetectable at < .02. Praying for undetectable to continue of course.
Clearly, your Radiation Oncologist/Medical Oncologist will guide you.
Best wishes.

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Thank you and thanks for the info

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@dontpanic67

Had a prostatectomy 3years ago undetected now psa going up and down 0.09 3months later undetected come back 6 months 0.22 had Gleason 7 localized cancer what now have to get checked another month now

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Take a look at a PCF webinar dated January 17. It's title is Rising PSA. A surgeon and oncologist discuss rises in numbers and their significance. As your title says Don't panic as your number is still not definitive of BCR but it should be watched more closely according to the seminar. You're getting another PSA test in a month so your care team has already started that it appears. Hopefully it drops again in the next test.

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@dontpanic67

Had a prostatectomy 3years ago undetected now psa going up and down 0.09 3months later undetected come back 6 months 0.22 had Gleason 7 localized cancer what now have to get checked another month now

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Thanks for the inputs. I had surgery two years ago. My PSA has been tested every three months. So far it’s been undetectable. However, I know I need to continue with testing and monitoring. In my case, cancer was found in a lymph node after surgery. (Ugh) I chose quality of life, not quantity. (No radiation or shots.) Starting next month, I’ll get my PSA tested every six months. I’m praying it remains undetectable.
Thanks again for everyone’s feedback! Jerry

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@jerryegge

Thanks for the inputs. I had surgery two years ago. My PSA has been tested every three months. So far it’s been undetectable. However, I know I need to continue with testing and monitoring. In my case, cancer was found in a lymph node after surgery. (Ugh) I chose quality of life, not quantity. (No radiation or shots.) Starting next month, I’ll get my PSA tested every six months. I’m praying it remains undetectable.
Thanks again for everyone’s feedback! Jerry

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Sounds like you are doing great. Congrats. Why not get tested every 4 months? That's what I requested when the doctor said I could extend to 6 months. Gives me a little more piece of mind and only is one more test a year.

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@dontpanic67

Had a prostatectomy 3years ago undetected now psa going up and down 0.09 3months later undetected come back 6 months 0.22 had Gleason 7 localized cancer what now have to get checked another month now

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Echo all the above. The current SoC is you can or should do a PSMA Pet Scan. That should find the cancer cells if there are any. At that level it is very treatable, with focal and or systemic therapy.
Dont mind me. I am just another layman trying make some sense of the whole thing.

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@perrychristopher

Sounds like you are doing great. Congrats. Why not get tested every 4 months? That's what I requested when the doctor said I could extend to 6 months. Gives me a little more piece of mind and only is one more test a year.

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Good suggestion. Thanks

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