Red meat & Prostrate Cancer

@drcopp My friend went on the Ornish diet after a (completely unexpected) coronary and stents, but it seemed a little old fashioned and behind the times and oversimplifies. I'll say once again, eliminating red meat is not nearly as important as balancing your omega 6-3-9, a red meat carnivore diet will unbalance your omegas. And really there are several other EFA issues. This may be a fair criticism of keto diets, too. Balance and moderation has a lot going for it.

Even in diabetic diets what is most important is moderation, you can eat small amounts of almost anything just so the totals stay below a certain level.

And anti-inflammatory foods and supplements, turmeric/curcumin and colored fruits and vegetables - and some mushrooms for the ergothioneine - also teas with hibiscus or berries, reinforce these moderate diets.

@cole5055 I agree with you, Cole. My husband had a biopsy (not targeted, unfortunately) and it seemed that things went badly after that. We were assured by his urologist that we had caught it in time and there was no rush. Wrong. Within 6 months, PSA had gone up considerably and it had metastasized.

@gkgdawg

Yes, I understand sometimes sticking needles into prostate cancer is not good! common sense tells us this, it’s just frustrating we still use this barbaric 60 year old technology despite all our advancements in medical technology?

When I had the random biopsy my PSA jumped from 8 to 15.1 in a few months. This is why if you’re going to biopsy anything we need a specific target! Not stabbing the prostate with a blind fold on it makes absolutely no sense! Hoping we hit something and possibly spreading the disease?

The Doctors are so used to doing things as usual. I think if they were the ones on the other end of the needle they would have an entirely different perspective…………. I hope things turn for the better for your Husband Godspeed 🙏

Ray 😊🇺🇸

I followed a very healthy Mediterranean-style diet even before my prostate surgery last September, with little to no processed food and very minimal red meat. After my prostate cancer diagnosis, I refined my diet further with the goal of reducing the risk of recurrence.

My diet now consists mostly of fish (especially salmon and sardines), tree nuts like walnuts and almonds, broccoli and other leafy greens, tomatoes (particularly cooked), mushrooms, whole grains, lentils, beans, pomegranates, blueberries, yogurt, and fruits such as mangoes and cantaloupe. I’ve also added turmeric and ginger, which fit well into this overall pattern.

@kjacko Yeah, I think the concern with dairy is that the cows may be treated with rBST, which in turn boosts IGF-1 which can cause certain cancers to grow - NOT CAUSE, but grow. So drink milk with no rBST and you should be OK.
As far as milk substitutes, even the unsweetened ones are made with seed oils, which have been said to promote cancer and heart disease because of their reduced Omega 3 levels…I’m just stating what I’ve read and I surely don’t know for a fact if anything I wrote in this entire post is true or not; everything we post here is mostly based on what we’ve been told, heard or read.
The only thing I DO know for sure is that milk comes from cows, goats and sheep and has been consumed in various forms for thousands of years - thousands, OK?
If it’s so freakin bad and causes prostate cancer, PCa should have been mentioned in some form - even a non scientific one - millennia ago, no?
If WE have messed up our planet so much that the grass the ruminants eat is poisoned and the other man made things we feed them is detrimental to us (rBST), then extend that logic to every darn thing you put in your mouth, because believe me, BIG AGRO didn’t stop at the cows…
Sorry to rant, been reading way too much about Monsanto/Bayer et al….Best,
Phil

@soli I think there's an aspect of this that many miss: processed foods. I cut them out a long time ago as well, and if one is to cut something then this should be it - who knows how many health issues we have as of a result of highly processing what we eat with chemicals that we can barely pronounce!

@carbcounter Yes, I agree with most of what you are saying, yet we can't dismiss the idea that if something like a bacon or lunchmeat is a class I carcinogen, then I stay away from it. Again, the ICF-1 molecular structure in all meats and fish, along with the heme proteins in pork put us at risk for stimulating cancer.
The American Dietetics Association position paper on the best diet reported the veggie or vegan, but apparently the lead committee chairman on national health didn't think that Americans could handle so radical of a change, so he sided with the Mediterranean or DASH diets. See attached study.

@carbcounter

Yes, absolutely 👍🏻 I really appreciate your input! I have been looking into white button mushrooms. They have capsules @ powder, but I believe they also have multodextrose after reading the ingredients. So buying fresh ones is the way to go and short and long term fasting would also help……..

Thank you 😊
Ray