NET on liver: Question about treatments when no symptoms

Posted by beachboyarkansas @beachboyarkansas, Jul 24 2:01pm

Looks like this is the place to ask if anyone has been thru this.

My mother was diognosed in March with a 5cm low grade NET on her liver. Low Grade. No symptoms and they cannot find any other tumors on her pancreas or gi tract. The doctor describes soem " activity" in the pancrease but no tumors can be found after 6 scans of all kinds.

She had no symptoms. . 76 yrs old and feeling fine.

Oncologist put her on Octiotide shot? and Afintor pill. Within a month she could hardly walk across the room with fatigue and short breath. . So they took her off the pill and she got better fast. Only on shot now . After 3 month scan nothing had change as far as size of tumor. Now doc is wanting to add Lutathera to the equation.

Im afraid she wont handle that well. He is not giving us the option of just monitoring it. She absolutly feels fine and has no issus anywhere else or with liver funtion ect. Nothing in blood work and scans are clean everywhere else.

We are going to get a second opinion just wondering what others have seen in similiar situations or any advise from those that have been here.

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@beachboyarkansas

Thank you and we feel the same way. Why not monitor at this point. She feels fine and strong. The oncologist got mad yesterday when i suggest just monitoring it.
She had the doctate scan and they cannot find a tumor anywhere else. The biopsy showed k67 p rate of 5%.
She did have a carciniod tumor on lung resection 10 years ago. I wonder if maybe this mastis from that and was just discovered? Her tumor on liver is 4.5 cm but there is only one on liver. They are wanting to do lutathera but we want to monitor.

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I totally understand the desire for a conservative approach. While there is likely a primary somewhere, it apparently can’t be found and apparently doesn’t have the receptors for the gallium scan radiotracers to pick it up, therefore, PRRT (lutathera) won’t have any impact on the unseen primary; only the liver, assuming those showed uptake. After my husband had his primary pnet removed our only concern was the remaining liver tumors therefore we went with a localized approach and he had radioembolization to the liver. He was in his early 50’s at the time) This was wildly successful, reducing his very heavy tumor burden to close to nothing with very short lived, not severe side effects.
Watchful waiting, with octreotide (or lanreotide which is similar) may also very well be a viable option and many specialists opt for this. The decision your doctor makes has to be individualized to your mom, her specific circumstances and her wishes. Quality of life should be a big factor. I’m glad you’re seeking out a specialist. It’s so important as a general oncologist usually does not have the required knowledge to effectively treat this disease. I wish her the best of luck.

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@beachboyarkansas

I will. And we are getting a second opinion from a NET specialist. We are wanting the conservative approach as everything i see everywhere suggest that with her circumstances. Will keep updated.

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Hello @beachboyarkansas

As it has been awhile since you last posted, I was wondering how your mom is doing. Have you visited a doctor for a second opinion yet? When convenient, could you post an update?

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@hopeful33250

Hello @beachboyarkansas

As it has been awhile since you last posted, I was wondering how your mom is doing. Have you visited a doctor for a second opinion yet? When convenient, could you post an update?

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Mom is better. She talked to Dr that was going to do the Lutathera treatment. He got all her details. We told him we wanted to take the conservative approach. He said "that is the approach the MD Anderson would take".

So that what we are doing. Off the pill that had her down and taking the monthly shot and is back ro feeling good. This oncologist is nothing more than a drug pusher. We have learned a big lesson thru this. Thanks for asking.

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@splendrous

I am in a similar situation. Would be interested in where you received your second opinion and how things are for you and your Mother. Thanks for sharing.

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We got an appointment for second opinion. Two days before we consulted with doctor that was going to do the Lutethera. We expressed we wanted conservative approach. After reviewing her records he said " MD Anderson would take the wait and monitor approach sinse it was non functional and low grade 1". He said" we have alot of patients walking around with more of this disease than you have doing nothing." So we are doind a once a month octriotide shot. She is back ro feeling good. This general oncologist is all about pushing as many drugs as insurance will pay for.

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@patrick031621

I am interested in if your Mother did the Lutathera treatment. It was suggested to me also about two and a half years ago and after reading up about it, I avoided it like the plague. Too many imponderables and question marks and some important cautions. The physician I talked to about it and her assistant tried to use scare tactics on me as if to indicate that if I didn't have it there was a chance I would die within a year. Baloney.

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No. Taking the MD Anderson watch approach. She is taking the monthly shot. After consulting with doctor that would be doing the lutathera treatment he suggested we monitor. The local oncologist is all about as many treatments as the insurance will pay for.

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I think you made a good decision. Yes, sometimes I think us oldsters with major problems are seen by some as "cash cows." From what I gathered, the Lutethera treatment two years ago had a sticker price of at least over a quarter of a million when it was all done. Thanks for letting me know.

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@beachboyarkansas

No. Taking the MD Anderson watch approach. She is taking the monthly shot. After consulting with doctor that would be doing the lutathera treatment he suggested we monitor. The local oncologist is all about as many treatments as the insurance will pay for.

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Did you see MD Anderson in person or virtual visit?

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I received my Mayo Clinic e- consult. They agreed with the biopsy finding I had from my local hospital. Metastatic neuroendocrine tumor in the liver. Grade 2 Stage IV. They did not recommend doing any further test to identify the origin. They view most likely the origin is from small intestines. Since I do not have any symptoms at this time, they do not recommend any treatment. Just monitor with scans on a regular basis. They did not provide a prognosis. Anyone been in a similar situation? I would like to know what I might expect in the future.

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@patrick031621

I have two carcinoid tumors on my liver and they have been there for many years. I have been on octreotide monthly for over nine years and have had no symptoms. I have just been on octreotide and the only other thing is I watch my diet, moderate eating with limited calories, veggies, a bit of protein and pasta. with no sugar and I don't eat out. I am 78 years old and have had carcinoid tumors for 22 years.
My non-professional opinion is your doctor is overdoing it. Why add Lutethera since you are on octreotide and have no symptoms? I have never taken any pill of any kind for it. If you don't have to deal with carcinoid syndrome which is a whole different deal, a lot of what an individual physician can recommend is overkill. Carcinoids are still generally slow growing. At our age it is more likely that something else will probably kill us (probably from a crash in a car ride driving to get treatment). There are only so many physicians out there that know a lot about carcinoid tumors but they will treat you anyway regardless. Again, being a non-professional, I think just being on the octreotide is good enough if you are not experiencing symptoms. I have been getting MRIs and some CATs to monitor mine all these years and things have been fine. Get a second opinion.

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I appreciate your sharing your diagnosis and treatment. I have one doctor recommending octreotide and one saying just monitor and do regular scans. I thought octreotide purpose was to help with symptoms. At this point I do not have any symptoms. What is your understanding of the value of octreotide in a no symptom situation? How often do you have scans? Have your tumors grown over the years? Thanks for posting.

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@splendrous

I appreciate your sharing your diagnosis and treatment. I have one doctor recommending octreotide and one saying just monitor and do regular scans. I thought octreotide purpose was to help with symptoms. At this point I do not have any symptoms. What is your understanding of the value of octreotide in a no symptom situation? How often do you have scans? Have your tumors grown over the years? Thanks for posting.

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I have seen octriotide lessons symptoms and can reduce tumor growth. Mom wll be getting another scan end of November. If it were me i wouldn't be getting the shot. Just monitor.

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