PSA detectable 18 mos after prostatectomy

Posted by Ksusan @kscharmer, Jan 10, 2024

My husband had a prostatectomy in June 2022. Postsurgery PSA tests were all undetectable < .10 until January 8, 2024. The PSA result was .14
Does this mean his cancer has returned? Can PSA fluctuate?
We spoke to a friend who had a prostatectomy 9 yrs ago and had two detectable PSA >.10 tests then returned to undetectable. Is this typical?

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Profile picture for heavyphil @heavyphil

Hey Perry, your situation, unfortunately, is all too common. You can get all the boxes checked off and still come up with a recurrence - I did too…
Mine took 5 yrs (Gleason 4+3 unfavorable) to recur; I did 25 tx IMRT with 6 mos ADT. Not bad at all. Diet, exercise and some SE’s were bothersome but totally do-able.
I just want to add to what chippy said about rectal spacer. I, too, wanted one but my RO said no because of the possibility of cancer cells near the rectum - he did not want the beams blocked by the spacer.
I know right now you are depressed and disgusted but please focus on the fact that this is your second chance to beat this. If you had radiation first (which many men have), you’d be facing a lot of ADT for a much longer time, possible doublet therapy, and risky salvage surgery as a last resort.
Also, be SURE to have your pelvic nodes irradiated as well - look up SPORTT trial for more info - not just the prostate bed.
Best,
Phil

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Well, more bad news for me as my PSMA pet scan results came in. My bcr .24 3 years after prostatectomy resulted in this. Images of the prostate demonstrate a focus of increased uptake to the right midline in the inferior aspect of the prostate with a maximum SUV of 4.1 suspicious for malignant disease. Musculoskeletal: There is a prominent focus of increased uptake involving the left first rib with a maximum SUV of 6.3 for which metastatic disease cannot be excluded. This is associated with sclerotic changes, compatible with metastatic disease. My Urologist/surgeon wants to discuss rib finding with my Oncologist and pet scan reading physician to determine if rib finding may be a false positive!! I have meeting with Oncologist tomorrow.

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Profile picture for perrychristopher @perrychristopher

Well, more bad news for me as my PSMA pet scan results came in. My bcr .24 3 years after prostatectomy resulted in this. Images of the prostate demonstrate a focus of increased uptake to the right midline in the inferior aspect of the prostate with a maximum SUV of 4.1 suspicious for malignant disease. Musculoskeletal: There is a prominent focus of increased uptake involving the left first rib with a maximum SUV of 6.3 for which metastatic disease cannot be excluded. This is associated with sclerotic changes, compatible with metastatic disease. My Urologist/surgeon wants to discuss rib finding with my Oncologist and pet scan reading physician to determine if rib finding may be a false positive!! I have meeting with Oncologist tomorrow.

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Ok, that sucks…but you had a sense this was coming I think? But even if the debate about the rib lesion is inconclusive, why not zap it (SBRT) and then do IMRT to the bed and nodes?
I know I make it sound like no big deal, but it’s really not, OK? The bigger debate is the ADT you’ll probably need; is Orgovyx enough or do you need to be more aggressive and do doublet therapy?
The fact that your original surgery went so well and your cancer was not considered all that aggressive (positive margin notwithstanding), a metastasis to the rib could indicate a more aggressive type of PCa. Did you get a Decipher test or any kind of genetic testing? I didn’t have either but today I would insist on both.
Good luck with your consult and hammer them with questions. Remember, it’s their JOB to answer them!!
Phil

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Thanks. Still trying to get Decipher test ordered. Doctors office lost it. My BCBS doesn't cover Orgovox supposedly but covers injectable ADT.......
Weird it's my first rib. A long way from prostate. Another question for Oncologist.

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Profile picture for perrychristopher @perrychristopher

Well, more bad news for me as my PSMA pet scan results came in. My bcr .24 3 years after prostatectomy resulted in this. Images of the prostate demonstrate a focus of increased uptake to the right midline in the inferior aspect of the prostate with a maximum SUV of 4.1 suspicious for malignant disease. Musculoskeletal: There is a prominent focus of increased uptake involving the left first rib with a maximum SUV of 6.3 for which metastatic disease cannot be excluded. This is associated with sclerotic changes, compatible with metastatic disease. My Urologist/surgeon wants to discuss rib finding with my Oncologist and pet scan reading physician to determine if rib finding may be a false positive!! I have meeting with Oncologist tomorrow.

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I am so sorry that you have to deal with it again : (((. I am just little bit confused - did you have your gland removed initially ? If yes, how is there an " image of the prostate " (???) that demonstrates a focus of increased uptake of the ...(etc.) ? My husband is having RP soon so I am trying to understand your case. Thanks in advance for explanation.

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Profile picture for surftohealth88 @surftohealth88

I am so sorry that you have to deal with it again : (((. I am just little bit confused - did you have your gland removed initially ? If yes, how is there an " image of the prostate " (???) that demonstrates a focus of increased uptake of the ...(etc.) ? My husband is having RP soon so I am trying to understand your case. Thanks in advance for explanation.

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Yes. I had my prostatectomy on Aug 4, 2022. The uptake was in the prostate bed, where the prostate used to be.

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Profile picture for perrychristopher @perrychristopher

Yes. I had my prostatectomy on Aug 4, 2022. The uptake was in the prostate bed, where the prostate used to be.

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Thanks so much for explanation < 3
I wish you super successful next step in your treatment .

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Profile picture for perrychristopher @perrychristopher

Thanks. Still trying to get Decipher test ordered. Doctors office lost it. My BCBS doesn't cover Orgovox supposedly but covers injectable ADT.......
Weird it's my first rib. A long way from prostate. Another question for Oncologist.

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Actually, I read of a case of metastasis to the clavicle only. SBRT was done and the patient is still going strong 16 years later!👍

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Profile picture for surftohealth88 @surftohealth88

I am so sorry that you have to deal with it again : (((. I am just little bit confused - did you have your gland removed initially ? If yes, how is there an " image of the prostate " (???) that demonstrates a focus of increased uptake of the ...(etc.) ? My husband is having RP soon so I am trying to understand your case. Thanks in advance for explanation.

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As he said in the prostate bed. Cells can leak out of the prostate and get left behind in the margins. It just isn't that uncommon for cells to get left behind and then radiation in 2 years once you hit BCR. Knowing what I know now I might have opted for proton radiation instead of removal. 2 friends just made this choice based on the number of men having to go back after RP for ADT and radiation due to this.

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Profile picture for chippydoo @chippydoo

As he said in the prostate bed. Cells can leak out of the prostate and get left behind in the margins. It just isn't that uncommon for cells to get left behind and then radiation in 2 years once you hit BCR. Knowing what I know now I might have opted for proton radiation instead of removal. 2 friends just made this choice based on the number of men having to go back after RP for ADT and radiation due to this.

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Yes, I know that : (((. It is possibility always.
It is also possibility to have recurrence AFTER radiation.
I still think that having 2 options is better than having one and not being able to repeat it *sigh and I also read some studies that show that removing tumor burden is of extreme importance for long term survival. That is why RP is always suggested for young patients. That is how I see it and what I read so far, BUT it is ALWAYS individual choice and I guess we tend to stick with studies that confirm our personal choice.
I just know that my husband and me will never second guess our choice *sigh, no matter what. Especially since results are also very individual. If one person had a great result with his treatment it does not mean that second one will too.

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