Previous Cancer survivior (cholangiocarcinoma) and now prostate cancer

Posted by 1912berg @1912berg, Mar 18 12:46pm

Hello all. I have had experience with support groups both for research purposes and general knowledge and support. They are some of the most informed discussions around and I hope my time here is of benefit to you as it is me. For the record, recently diagnosed with the following and will follow-up today with urologist. I will provide further details soon but was looking first to see if there were others who had experience with a rare cancer (bile duct cancer is) and then years later diagnosed with PC. I am just about 100% positive one has nothing to do with the other, but will verify that today.

For now, thank you for hosting such a wonderful site and I hope to contribute to its overall utility.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Prostate Cancer Support Group.

@1912berg

This is something that I am having done as well. My cancer burden/ PSA score and Gleason scores are somewhat contradictory (low PSA score relative to burden/biopsy testing). I'm new to the lingo so hopefully I do not further complicate my case. Urologist said he wanted to send it out for DNA testing. My Gleason scores were 5 cores @7 with 4 of those cores as 3+4 and one at 4+3, and 4 cores at 3+3. PSA was 6.9. Regular MRI with contrast showed no cancer in the surrounding areas of the prostate including lymph nodes. Fusion biopsy confirmed this essentially. So, we re talking about clinically local cancer with my choice to have the prostate surgically removed. The only downfall for me (aged 56) is that he does not think nerve sparing surgery can be fully realized as one side of the prostate has the cancer cores lining the area where the nerves are while the other side of the prostate looks to be ok for the nerve sparing attempt.

I'm inclined to speak with the surgeon and see if he/she agrees with the urologist and if so getting a second opinion.

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Your situation is very similar to mine. One side of the prostate was infected the other good. I elected to remove the prostate and lymph nodes. The robotic surgery is very accurate. No nerve damage at all. Everything removed successfully and fully recovered in 6 weeks. except the incontinence. It’s a very slow process to continence. I am at 9 weeks and still having some issues. 10 weeks was/is the target.

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@1912berg

Very helpful. Certainly the same path I took with my cholangicarcinoma as it is relatively rare to begin with. You need to do everything you can to find out info and advocate on your behalf with such a diagnosis--at least I felt I did.

I am getting a second surgical opinion on the nerve sparing pursuit. My urologist, who does do surgery, just not Davinci, said based on the location of my malignant cores (these are on the outer most interior location) that one side could likely be salvaged while the other may not. For the same reason you stated (quality of life), and while it may be true, it behooves me to verify this with a second surgeon at a center for excellence (research hospital Indiana University) .

Why did I go straight to surgery? You didn't ask but I'll tell you. Because when you are diagnosed with such a rare cancer and you are told up front it is stage 4 and incurable, and then you beat it, you learn to recognize miracles and not play the odds. I would much rather have the cancer out of me while localized to prostate than having it metastasize. Could radiation do that--certainly possible. But then there goes my shot at surgery if it comes back. Additionally, he was almost certain I would have zero incontinence issues. As such, when you weigh the pros and cons of all the procedures, consider your own perspectives and history, life goals, and combine with science it becomes easier.

Your comment on tackling any ED issues down the road is well understood on my end as well. Of the possible rehabilitation processes and treatments, I am perfectly happy to entertain all and 'deploy' as necessary.

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My decision for surgery was based on two things: 9 doctors telling me it's the right path and getting it out of me and analyzed. Easy as that.

If you want to check on how many Da Vinci surgeries your surgeon (or any surgeon) has: https://www.intuitive.com/en-us/physician-locator?search=physicians&distance=100

To see how your surgeon rates against others for treating prostate cancer: https://health.usnews.com/doctors/

My surgeon was FAR above average on PC surgery and was in the top 5 Da Vinci surgeons in the country. He said I would lose half my nerves after the MRI but only took a very small number of one side once he was in there, leaving me with most of them intact. The surgeon makes a big difference.

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@1912berg

Very helpful. Certainly the same path I took with my cholangicarcinoma as it is relatively rare to begin with. You need to do everything you can to find out info and advocate on your behalf with such a diagnosis--at least I felt I did.

I am getting a second surgical opinion on the nerve sparing pursuit. My urologist, who does do surgery, just not Davinci, said based on the location of my malignant cores (these are on the outer most interior location) that one side could likely be salvaged while the other may not. For the same reason you stated (quality of life), and while it may be true, it behooves me to verify this with a second surgeon at a center for excellence (research hospital Indiana University) .

Why did I go straight to surgery? You didn't ask but I'll tell you. Because when you are diagnosed with such a rare cancer and you are told up front it is stage 4 and incurable, and then you beat it, you learn to recognize miracles and not play the odds. I would much rather have the cancer out of me while localized to prostate than having it metastasize. Could radiation do that--certainly possible. But then there goes my shot at surgery if it comes back. Additionally, he was almost certain I would have zero incontinence issues. As such, when you weigh the pros and cons of all the procedures, consider your own perspectives and history, life goals, and combine with science it becomes easier.

Your comment on tackling any ED issues down the road is well understood on my end as well. Of the possible rehabilitation processes and treatments, I am perfectly happy to entertain all and 'deploy' as necessary.

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@1912berg, I know your current focus is on prostate cancer. Should you wish to share with members talking about cholangiocarcinoma, you'll find the discussions here:

- Liver Cancer Support Group https://connect.mayoclinic.org/group/liver-cancer/
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/group/liver-cancer/?search=cholangiocarcinoma%20&index=discussions
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/group/liver-cancer/?search=bile%20duct&index=discussions
As for preparing for surgery, you'll find many helpful discussions in the Prostate Cancer support group, such as these:
- Surgery is Scheduled: What to do before? https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/surgery-is-scheduled/
- Prostate cancer surgery: What can I expect & prepare for?https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/48-about-to-have-prostate-removal-surgery/
- Post-surgery doctor visit: What questions to ask?https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/post-surgery-doctor-visit/

There are many more. Just put in your keyword into the search on the group page https://connect.mayoclinic.org/group/prostate-cancer/

Welcome to the group.

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