Pancreatic Cancer Recurrence after Whipple

Posted by joannc63 @joannc63, Feb 18, 2023

Hello. I had the Whipple surgery on 6/30/2020 for stage 3 Pancreatic cancer. I found out on 2/17/23 via CT scans that it is back in the pancreatitis bed and a noldule in my liver. I see my oncologist in 2 days to go over starting chemo again. I have back pain and abdominal pain from the recurrence. Has anyone had luck with chemo when the cancer returns? I hope the oncologist can get the tumor to shrink. I guess I am just looking for hope maybe this can get under control. Thank you.

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they told me a shadow has appeared after the Whipple surgery two years ago...They said when it returns that it is stage 4...they say that radiation or chemo will extend my life 1 to 2 years...I am alone and barely surveying, its been hell using the bathroom and waring dippers and trying to eat 6 meals a day,and the pain seem to be getting worse.in stomach, if you dont mind will you tell me the truth about radiation and chemo. i m tired of suffering and if these extension to longer life are more suffering then how long can one live without them . cause i realy dont care to live in my present state. Thanks for advice !

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Hello,
The Nalirifox doesn't contain oxalplatin. I was originally on Folfirinox. I had neuropathy from it. So you may not nauropathy with this new regimen.
Best of luck to you and keep me posted.
JoAnn C.

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Hi Colleen. Thank you for checking in. My oncologist is starting me on a Nalirifox - Onivyde 5-FU regimen.
The Treatment is with liposomal irinotecan (Onivyde) plus 5-fluorouracil (5-FU), combined with leucovorin, and normally oxaliplatin (NALIRIFOX). Except she won't be giving me oxaliplatin because of bad Neuropathy I got when I was on it previously.
She also did Gardant360 liquid biopsy blood work as well as sending my tumor specimens to them to be analyzed for the Gardant360 Next testing. Hopefully the tests will result in me being able to try a targeted therapy.

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Hi Joanne, I’m new to the group. Can you please share your treatment with Nalirifox. My oncologist wants to start me on this as well because of neuropathy from the past treatment as well.

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Sorry for the delay in responding to your questions about qualifying gene mutation for targeted therapy with a PARP inhibitor. The trial,I was in required study participants to have either a germline or somatic BRCA1, BRCA2 or PALB2 mutation, have failed at least one first-line standard of care treatment and be sensitive to a platin agent.

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Thank you

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Stage Iv
Did you need a certain mutation to qualify?

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Sorry for the delay in responding to your questions about qualifying gene mutation for targeted therapy with a PARP inhibitor. The trial,I was in required study participants to have either a germline or somatic BRCA1, BRCA2 or PALB2 mutation, have failed at least one first-line standard of care treatment and be sensitive to a platin agent.

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Thank you. I will keep you posted. My oncologist decided to do a new round of CT scans since my tumor markers were consistently going up since my last 2 visits and I also wasn't feeling well. I will see her tomorrow regarding the new therapy I will be starting this week.

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Good luck!

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Thank you for sharing your story !!♥️🙏

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My story is a little different but worth telling here. I had a Whipple procedure in 2012 and was staged as III, locally advanced, borderline resectable. Surgical margins were clear. There was portal vein resection required and pathology showed invasion into the vascular wall. Eleven of 22 lymph nodes were positive. One week after surgery a CT was done and the radiologist noted suspicion of metastatic disease to the liver. It was not large enough to be seen two weeks earlier at the time of the initial CT scan. So this was how I ended up having a Whipple and being stage IV…..it had not been detected prior to surgery that was done a couple of days after the initial diagnosis. No cure was to be achieved for me by having the Whipple.

My first thoughts on treatment were to find a clinical trial. To make the search easier, molecular profiling was done and a liquid biopsy revealed a germline (inherited) mutation. So now I knew the type of trials to focus my search on. A trial matching my criteria would take 14 months so in the meantime, standard of care chemo was required. Standard of care is just what it means….and it was not going to give me the longevity in survival I was looking for. I knew I would require better than SoC and strongly advocated for more aggressive chemo.

The “gold standard” of chemotherapy regimens in 2012 as it is today is Folfirinox. Administering 12 cycles is the number selected that is felt to achieve No Evidence of Disease (NED) and yet be tolerable by the majority of patients as adverse events, side effects and peripheral neuropathy are concerns. Few oncologists explain what NED means, especially in how it is determined. The goal of the oncologist is to knock the disease down low enough that it is not detectable by current sensitivity by imaging such as CT, MRI or PET. It is hoped that at this level, one’s immune system can keep any minimal residual disease (MRD) in check. As long as one continues to have a robust immune status, the MRD is held in check. But is the immune system comes under challenge and gets compromised, MRD can come back and usually in a more aggressive form.

Knowing this is why I advocated for more aggressive treatment with Folfirinox. Rather than stopping at 12 cycles, I indicated my desire and committed to doing as much as my body would tolerate. Thankfully my oncologist honored my request. Because neuropathy would likely be experienced and could become permanent, he decided to treat with six cycles of Folfirinox (FFX) followed by six resting cycles of just 5-FU with Leucovorin. After those six cycles, it was back to full-dose FFX for another six cycles. This alternating dosing regimen went for 24 months resulting in a total of 46 cycles of 24 FFX and 22 of 5-FU. At that point, a clinical trial opened that I met the criteria for and enrolled after a two week washout period. After the final 5-FU treatment, all liver metastasis had shrunk 80% and it was believed only scar tissue was being observed on imaging.

The clinical trial was designed to target a gene mutation for maintenance monotherapy. Many oncologists feel it was the excessive FFX that destroyed any MRD and the clinical trial drug has helped in preventing any new primary tumor from forming in the residual pancreas as I have a lifetime risk from that gene mutation.

Anyone can say to their oncologist they want to survive and be cured. Saying and doing are two very different things. I was 55 years old and strong physically from having done 100-200 mile bike rides per week. I was also strong emotionally and mentally. I set realistic expectations that setbacks might be encountered. I found ways to tolerate the treatment, deal with a setback and then move forward. I stayed focused on my goal and had the determination and very strong will to survive. In 2016 at the conclusion of the trial I was declared NED. It was likely I was already NED at the conclusion of the FFX treatments. In 2022 I was informed by a number of pancreatic cancer oncologists that they consider me cured. In a few months I will be celebrating 11 years of survival of having had stage IV disease.

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Congrats and thanks for sharing your journey!

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I am interested in knowing about the experience of being in a clinical trial. It seems like there could be a lot of follow up needed just to participate so I wonder how it is to be in a trial

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My story is a little different but worth telling here. I had a Whipple procedure in 2012 and was staged as III, locally advanced, borderline resectable. Surgical margins were clear. There was portal vein resection required and pathology showed invasion into the vascular wall. Eleven of 22 lymph nodes were positive. One week after surgery a CT was done and the radiologist noted suspicion of metastatic disease to the liver. It was not large enough to be seen two weeks earlier at the time of the initial CT scan. So this was how I ended up having a Whipple and being stage IV…..it had not been detected prior to surgery that was done a couple of days after the initial diagnosis. No cure was to be achieved for me by having the Whipple.

My first thoughts on treatment were to find a clinical trial. To make the search easier, molecular profiling was done and a liquid biopsy revealed a germline (inherited) mutation. So now I knew the type of trials to focus my search on. A trial matching my criteria would take 14 months so in the meantime, standard of care chemo was required. Standard of care is just what it means….and it was not going to give me the longevity in survival I was looking for. I knew I would require better than SoC and strongly advocated for more aggressive chemo.

The “gold standard” of chemotherapy regimens in 2012 as it is today is Folfirinox. Administering 12 cycles is the number selected that is felt to achieve No Evidence of Disease (NED) and yet be tolerable by the majority of patients as adverse events, side effects and peripheral neuropathy are concerns. Few oncologists explain what NED means, especially in how it is determined. The goal of the oncologist is to knock the disease down low enough that it is not detectable by current sensitivity by imaging such as CT, MRI or PET. It is hoped that at this level, one’s immune system can keep any minimal residual disease (MRD) in check. As long as one continues to have a robust immune status, the MRD is held in check. But is the immune system comes under challenge and gets compromised, MRD can come back and usually in a more aggressive form.

Knowing this is why I advocated for more aggressive treatment with Folfirinox. Rather than stopping at 12 cycles, I indicated my desire and committed to doing as much as my body would tolerate. Thankfully my oncologist honored my request. Because neuropathy would likely be experienced and could become permanent, he decided to treat with six cycles of Folfirinox (FFX) followed by six resting cycles of just 5-FU with Leucovorin. After those six cycles, it was back to full-dose FFX for another six cycles. This alternating dosing regimen went for 24 months resulting in a total of 46 cycles of 24 FFX and 22 of 5-FU. At that point, a clinical trial opened that I met the criteria for and enrolled after a two week washout period. After the final 5-FU treatment, all liver metastasis had shrunk 80% and it was believed only scar tissue was being observed on imaging.

The clinical trial was designed to target a gene mutation for maintenance monotherapy. Many oncologists feel it was the excessive FFX that destroyed any MRD and the clinical trial drug has helped in preventing any new primary tumor from forming in the residual pancreas as I have a lifetime risk from that gene mutation.

Anyone can say to their oncologist they want to survive and be cured. Saying and doing are two very different things. I was 55 years old and strong physically from having done 100-200 mile bike rides per week. I was also strong emotionally and mentally. I set realistic expectations that setbacks might be encountered. I found ways to tolerate the treatment, deal with a setback and then move forward. I stayed focused on my goal and had the determination and very strong will to survive. In 2016 at the conclusion of the trial I was declared NED. It was likely I was already NED at the conclusion of the FFX treatments. In 2022 I was informed by a number of pancreatic cancer oncologists that they consider me cured. In a few months I will be celebrating 11 years of survival of having had stage IV disease.

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Please share which mutation you have and what facility has a trial for it.

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