Osteoporosis quite severe if I started hrt now will it help . I am 74

Posted by tiny28 @tiny28, Apr 6 9:57am

Any other woman of a similar age to myself with osteoporosis found hrt helpful quickly? I am just so scared of the other drugs. I have had no fractures yet but I feel they are imminent !!

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@dougajoi

Seventy five years old with osteoporosis and also concerned about the medications available such at the various bisphosphonates. The first thing the dental offices ask those presenting with a dental issue and on their form is if your on the medication. I inquired and was told they have seen the side effects these medications have caused. My understanding is that the medications can also be related to dementia not a direct cause but if your genetically prone it can trigger the disease and acceleration.

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Where is this information on dementia? I’ve not seen that or heard that!

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HRT is not recommended for women who are more than 10 years post-menopausal.

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@jenatsky

HRT is not recommended for women who are more than 10 years post-menopausal.

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We have moved on from that belief about who gets to take bhrt. Too many women have not explored the benefits of bhrt. Women must decide for themselves what they desire in their lives.

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Yes gravity 3 that’s very true. I am in quite a dilemma at 74 yrs old , having been very active and fit all my life, dancing, gym, aerobics and swimming. Last four years suffering chronic pain from my SI joints which don’t respond to treatments and cannot be operated on due to the osteoporosis. My life has changed to that of a woman much older yet I still look and feel young! I am terrified of the drugs offered for osteoporosis as I am quite delicate and react to side effects more than most people. I started Bhrt a week ago and already having bad side effects so am going slowly on the dosage . If this won’t work I will be lost. Desperately trying to help myself as I always do. I can’t even excercise except to walk as it just flares up my pelvic problem then I can’t sleep win the pain.

It’s hard to treat musculoskeletal issues especially bones.

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@tiny28

Yes gravity 3 that’s very true. I am in quite a dilemma at 74 yrs old , having been very active and fit all my life, dancing, gym, aerobics and swimming. Last four years suffering chronic pain from my SI joints which don’t respond to treatments and cannot be operated on due to the osteoporosis. My life has changed to that of a woman much older yet I still look and feel young! I am terrified of the drugs offered for osteoporosis as I am quite delicate and react to side effects more than most people. I started Bhrt a week ago and already having bad side effects so am going slowly on the dosage . If this won’t work I will be lost. Desperately trying to help myself as I always do. I can’t even excercise except to walk as it just flares up my pelvic problem then I can’t sleep win the pain.

It’s hard to treat musculoskeletal issues especially bones.

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@tiny28
So sorry to hear you are experiencing side effects already from HRT. Like me you were hoping this was the answer.
As I previously posted I started HRT back on March 3rd. During the last 2 weeks I have had 2 episodes of dizziness and heart palpitations that had me close to fainting. This happened again yesterday, I immediately went to see my PCP, thankfully everything checked out. Based on all my symptoms and the order in which they came on, he believes something is tripping my vasovagal system. An example of this would be when people feel faint at the sight of blood.
I don’t have that issue, but my episode was similar to that. He believes the HRT is what is causing this. I have a call in to the gynecologist that prescribed the HRT. Hopefully he has some thoughts on this and can advise.
What side effects are you experiencing?

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The same as you palpitations and dizziness. Plus uterus is painful but I wonder if the latter is caused by my S I joint problems . Will keep you updated as I go. Fingers crossed my back holds out!

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I am sorry you are in this situation, it's very scary. I asked a local provider of bhrt if I could do the regimen, me being 10 years postmenopausal, and she said that it would have to be done very slowly. I don't remember the timeframe she gave me, but I think it was more years than months. Anyway, she said she wouldn't do it for me. I have read that there are doctors who will do it 10 years postmenopause, but if they would do it quickly I have no idea.

You didn't provide your T scores, nor any risk fracture numbers, if you even got them. There are some people with OP who never fracture, and some with osteopenia who do. bone strength/quality is an indication that is helpful, and that can be done best with DEXA with TBS software, or in some people's mind, the Echolight ultrasound. I did plain DEXA and came out with scores of -3.8 and -3.6 for the two lowest vertebrae. The others were more like -2.5/6 My PCP said I had severe OP. Immediately I began falling and nothing broke, which raised questions about the meaning of my DX (I wouldn't recommend this type of self-assement!). I ultimately went to see an orthopedist who had been offering Echolight for two years. He looked at the DEXA scan and said it was done wrong (which apparently isn't as uncommon as one might think). His staff did the ultrasound on me and the score came back osteopenia, with low fracture risk. I dodged a bullet but I do understand what it's like to live in fear due to a DX of severe OP.

While I was waiting for the orthopedic appointment I found it helpful to understand OP and my options by reading the book Great Bones by Keith McCormick. He is a chiropractor (with a BA in human biology from Stanford), but also someone who suffered multiple fractures from OP in his 40s. He used an OP drug for a short time and then went more natural since he determined his OP stemmed from inadequate nutrition, if I remember that correctly. He continues to compete in amateur athletics like Iron Man competitions. You can also find YouTube videos of him. He also does telephone consults for a few hundred dollars; one of his big things is to try to determine if there is a secondary cause of the OP or anything else going on that also needs to be addressed. He does sell supplements which turns some people off, but from what I understand he doesn't push them on his clients. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=keith+mccormick+osteoporosis&type=E210US1250G0#id=2&vid=bffb715625ceffb0f73f16d1ea2ba785&action=click

I did increase my bone density by doing strength training. I also started taking K2 vitamin paired with D. Margaret Martin has some free videos on how to exercise with OP. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=margaret+martin+osteoporosis+exercise+videos&type=E210US1250G0#id=3&vid=328ec6b473b1470a77e647bd7df39ad6&action=click

I am not trying to dissuade you from bhrt. While you try to figure out the bhrt component there are options that allow you to take more control of your condition on your own so you can start moving forward. I would also suggest that before you start any treatment you get a baseline of your bone markers, CTX and P1NP, so you can see what is going on with bone breakdown and bone rebuilding. It's done by blood labs, so you can check every three months instead of waiting a year or two for a DEXA scan to get an idea of whether the bones are breaking down too quickly or if the breakdown process is slowing down after you start whatever protocol you select. Good luck!

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@baguette

I am sorry you are in this situation, it's very scary. I asked a local provider of bhrt if I could do the regimen, me being 10 years postmenopausal, and she said that it would have to be done very slowly. I don't remember the timeframe she gave me, but I think it was more years than months. Anyway, she said she wouldn't do it for me. I have read that there are doctors who will do it 10 years postmenopause, but if they would do it quickly I have no idea.

You didn't provide your T scores, nor any risk fracture numbers, if you even got them. There are some people with OP who never fracture, and some with osteopenia who do. bone strength/quality is an indication that is helpful, and that can be done best with DEXA with TBS software, or in some people's mind, the Echolight ultrasound. I did plain DEXA and came out with scores of -3.8 and -3.6 for the two lowest vertebrae. The others were more like -2.5/6 My PCP said I had severe OP. Immediately I began falling and nothing broke, which raised questions about the meaning of my DX (I wouldn't recommend this type of self-assement!). I ultimately went to see an orthopedist who had been offering Echolight for two years. He looked at the DEXA scan and said it was done wrong (which apparently isn't as uncommon as one might think). His staff did the ultrasound on me and the score came back osteopenia, with low fracture risk. I dodged a bullet but I do understand what it's like to live in fear due to a DX of severe OP.

While I was waiting for the orthopedic appointment I found it helpful to understand OP and my options by reading the book Great Bones by Keith McCormick. He is a chiropractor (with a BA in human biology from Stanford), but also someone who suffered multiple fractures from OP in his 40s. He used an OP drug for a short time and then went more natural since he determined his OP stemmed from inadequate nutrition, if I remember that correctly. He continues to compete in amateur athletics like Iron Man competitions. You can also find YouTube videos of him. He also does telephone consults for a few hundred dollars; one of his big things is to try to determine if there is a secondary cause of the OP or anything else going on that also needs to be addressed. He does sell supplements which turns some people off, but from what I understand he doesn't push them on his clients. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=keith+mccormick+osteoporosis&type=E210US1250G0#id=2&vid=bffb715625ceffb0f73f16d1ea2ba785&action=click

I did increase my bone density by doing strength training. I also started taking K2 vitamin paired with D. Margaret Martin has some free videos on how to exercise with OP. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=margaret+martin+osteoporosis+exercise+videos&type=E210US1250G0#id=3&vid=328ec6b473b1470a77e647bd7df39ad6&action=click

I am not trying to dissuade you from bhrt. While you try to figure out the bhrt component there are options that allow you to take more control of your condition on your own so you can start moving forward. I would also suggest that before you start any treatment you get a baseline of your bone markers, CTX and P1NP, so you can see what is going on with bone breakdown and bone rebuilding. It's done by blood labs, so you can check every three months instead of waiting a year or two for a DEXA scan to get an idea of whether the bones are breaking down too quickly or if the breakdown process is slowing down after you start whatever protocol you select. Good luck!

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Thank you . Will get my bone markers checked. I can’t weight train as I have SI joint syndrome and it gives me constant nerve pain. Believe me I would love to be at the gym every day if I could as I exercised all my life but at 74 with pain it’s not a good idea. Walking is fine .

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@baguette

I am sorry you are in this situation, it's very scary. I asked a local provider of bhrt if I could do the regimen, me being 10 years postmenopausal, and she said that it would have to be done very slowly. I don't remember the timeframe she gave me, but I think it was more years than months. Anyway, she said she wouldn't do it for me. I have read that there are doctors who will do it 10 years postmenopause, but if they would do it quickly I have no idea.

You didn't provide your T scores, nor any risk fracture numbers, if you even got them. There are some people with OP who never fracture, and some with osteopenia who do. bone strength/quality is an indication that is helpful, and that can be done best with DEXA with TBS software, or in some people's mind, the Echolight ultrasound. I did plain DEXA and came out with scores of -3.8 and -3.6 for the two lowest vertebrae. The others were more like -2.5/6 My PCP said I had severe OP. Immediately I began falling and nothing broke, which raised questions about the meaning of my DX (I wouldn't recommend this type of self-assement!). I ultimately went to see an orthopedist who had been offering Echolight for two years. He looked at the DEXA scan and said it was done wrong (which apparently isn't as uncommon as one might think). His staff did the ultrasound on me and the score came back osteopenia, with low fracture risk. I dodged a bullet but I do understand what it's like to live in fear due to a DX of severe OP.

While I was waiting for the orthopedic appointment I found it helpful to understand OP and my options by reading the book Great Bones by Keith McCormick. He is a chiropractor (with a BA in human biology from Stanford), but also someone who suffered multiple fractures from OP in his 40s. He used an OP drug for a short time and then went more natural since he determined his OP stemmed from inadequate nutrition, if I remember that correctly. He continues to compete in amateur athletics like Iron Man competitions. You can also find YouTube videos of him. He also does telephone consults for a few hundred dollars; one of his big things is to try to determine if there is a secondary cause of the OP or anything else going on that also needs to be addressed. He does sell supplements which turns some people off, but from what I understand he doesn't push them on his clients. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=keith+mccormick+osteoporosis&type=E210US1250G0#id=2&vid=bffb715625ceffb0f73f16d1ea2ba785&action=click

I did increase my bone density by doing strength training. I also started taking K2 vitamin paired with D. Margaret Martin has some free videos on how to exercise with OP. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=margaret+martin+osteoporosis+exercise+videos&type=E210US1250G0#id=3&vid=328ec6b473b1470a77e647bd7df39ad6&action=click

I am not trying to dissuade you from bhrt. While you try to figure out the bhrt component there are options that allow you to take more control of your condition on your own so you can start moving forward. I would also suggest that before you start any treatment you get a baseline of your bone markers, CTX and P1NP, so you can see what is going on with bone breakdown and bone rebuilding. It's done by blood labs, so you can check every three months instead of waiting a year or two for a DEXA scan to get an idea of whether the bones are breaking down too quickly or if the breakdown process is slowing down after you start whatever protocol you select. Good luck!

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What would u do to control it? I got my markers.

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@sassyone4u

What would u do to control it? I got my markers.

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It depends on your particular situation and your risk tolerance. When my doctor saw my DEXA results she wanted me to go on Prolia. I declined because I wasn't comfortable with the risk, plus the doctor didn't say anything about time frame, risks, and the need to relay off the drug after stopping its usage. So I wasn't comfortable with her advice. As it turned out the DEXA scan was inaccurate so it was definitely the right decision for me, and I turned to strength training and trying to do better with diet even with the ultrasound saying osteopenia with low fracture risk. Even with the osteopenia DX my bone breakdown marker was too high; it did go down a lot after a year of increased exercise. Now if I really had the -3.8 t score, would I have done things differently? I don't know. I had two doctors tell me an anabolic med would be best, but insurance wouldn't cover it. If I could have been ok'd for a bone building drug, maybe I would have done that. My point was whatever you do, you can more easily check whether what you are doing is working if you have a baseline with the markers. Why take a drug for a year or two if it's not working but you have to wait that long to find out because that's how long you have to wait for a follow up DEXA scan?

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