Opting out of radiation or chemo

Posted by brighterdays @brighterdays, Mar 21, 2023

Has anyone ever had a lumpectomy but opted out of radiation therapy or chemotherapy? Does anyone have statistics on the recurrence rate if one chooses not to do one or both?

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@babsellen

I was diagnosed in 2003 at the age of 56 with DCIS in my right breast. I was advised to have a lumpectomy followed by radiation - standard procedure then. I requested a wide excision for the lumpectomy with no radiation followup. I had done a bunch of research into various studies that showed while recurrence was reduced with radiation, the difference in lifelong mortality rate was insignificant. I didn't like what I was reading about long-term effects of radiation. Having surgery with a wide excision area (well beyond margins) was expected to reduce the chance of recurrence. Nine years later, I was diagnosed with DCIS in a different part of the same breast. Because of the time lapse and placement of the new occurrence it was not determined to be a recurrence. I opted for the same procedure as before - wide excision lumpectomy, no radiation. Four years later the DCIS was back in the same breast and also in the left breast, with a bit of stage one (invasive) in the right as well. Chemo for 6 months and 5-10 years of estrogen therapy was recommended (the standard) - whether I chose lumpectomies or a bilateral mastectomy. I opted for a mastectomy (I was 69 by then) without further treatment. My breast cancer intake doctor thought a mastectomy was a drastic solution to a low level cancer, but I thought the treatments felt more drastic. My team of 5 oncologists agreed that if I had a bilateral mastectomy without the followup treatments, my chance for recurrence was not significantly greater than with the treatments, though a recurrence would likely mean a metastasis to other organs, and thus life-threatening. Once again I opted for what I considered to be quality of life. I chose a bilateral mastectomy instead of possible problems down the road from the harsh chemicals. I also chose not to go through the turmoil of reconstructive surgery. So I'm back to the flat chest of my youth with some scarring. It's been six years since my mastectomy. So far so good, though I'm not saying my decision was right for everyone. Every woman has to make her own decisions about her life and health. It's scary and it's tricky. Fear and pressure can be a lot to handle. Life is a risk!

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I think your decision was very wise. I was 36 when I found my cancer. I had a Radical Mastectomy at that time, no chemo, no radiation, no followup medication. I had the right breat remove as a profilactic because of constant none malignant tumors. I have had several doctors who look at my chest and say "We w ould never do that to a woman again". My response "You can't falt success. I am now 92 and I am sure you will be even older than me because of all the wonderful medicines on the horizons. LIFE IS GOOD
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@babsellen

I was diagnosed in 2003 at the age of 56 with DCIS in my right breast. I was advised to have a lumpectomy followed by radiation - standard procedure then. I requested a wide excision for the lumpectomy with no radiation followup. I had done a bunch of research into various studies that showed while recurrence was reduced with radiation, the difference in lifelong mortality rate was insignificant. I didn't like what I was reading about long-term effects of radiation. Having surgery with a wide excision area (well beyond margins) was expected to reduce the chance of recurrence. Nine years later, I was diagnosed with DCIS in a different part of the same breast. Because of the time lapse and placement of the new occurrence it was not determined to be a recurrence. I opted for the same procedure as before - wide excision lumpectomy, no radiation. Four years later the DCIS was back in the same breast and also in the left breast, with a bit of stage one (invasive) in the right as well. Chemo for 6 months and 5-10 years of estrogen therapy was recommended (the standard) - whether I chose lumpectomies or a bilateral mastectomy. I opted for a mastectomy (I was 69 by then) without further treatment. My breast cancer intake doctor thought a mastectomy was a drastic solution to a low level cancer, but I thought the treatments felt more drastic. My team of 5 oncologists agreed that if I had a bilateral mastectomy without the followup treatments, my chance for recurrence was not significantly greater than with the treatments, though a recurrence would likely mean a metastasis to other organs, and thus life-threatening. Once again I opted for what I considered to be quality of life. I chose a bilateral mastectomy instead of possible problems down the road from the harsh chemicals. I also chose not to go through the turmoil of reconstructive surgery. So I'm back to the flat chest of my youth with some scarring. It's been six years since my mastectomy. So far so good, though I'm not saying my decision was right for everyone. Every woman has to make her own decisions about her life and health. It's scary and it's tricky. Fear and pressure can be a lot to handle. Life is a risk!

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Hello, I opted for a double mastectomy without reconstruction for my LCIS. I am starting to wonder whether I made the right decision due to not being able to catch future cancers at their earliest stage, which mammograms and MRIs would be able to allow for someone who didn’t go through mastectomy. You mentioned that if you were to have a cancer recurrence after the mastectomy, there is a good chance that it would be caught at a late stage. This is scary. Is there anyway to catch recurrence early for people with double mastectomy without reconstruction. Is routine ultrasound effective in catching anything brewing. Can we still do MRIs?

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When I have my MRI every year (between mammograms), they examine BOTH the existing breast and the mastectomy side. This was a surprise to me too, but I was delighted to hear it!

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@anjalima

So sorry to hear that you have had a recurrence! We have no guarantees with BC! What is the treatment for you now? I hope you can quickly remove the tumor and get back to maintenance. 🌸

We’re you hormone positive and, if so, did you you take Aromatase inhibitors?

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@anjalima Thanks for yr commiseration
I had mastectomy last July and axillary dissection
Am healing well but still some nerve pains
I had not opted to take the AI the first time but am doing so now.
According to the stats I guess I am in that unlucky 2 to 3 percent where bc reoccurs locally after rad!

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@mdr3

When I have my MRI every year (between mammograms), they examine BOTH the existing breast and the mastectomy side. This was a surprise to me too, but I was delighted to hear it!

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This is why MRI is such a beneficial examination option. It’s the only way to “see” the environment of the reconstructed boob ( sorry but I can’t quite call the implant a breast) and the nodal system around it…And also not introducing radiation to the breast or chest wall. I prefer it.
We need to push our practitioners to use MRI. I advocated for it and it likely saved my life.

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@mayo101

Hello, I opted for a double mastectomy without reconstruction for my LCIS. I am starting to wonder whether I made the right decision due to not being able to catch future cancers at their earliest stage, which mammograms and MRIs would be able to allow for someone who didn’t go through mastectomy. You mentioned that if you were to have a cancer recurrence after the mastectomy, there is a good chance that it would be caught at a late stage. This is scary. Is there anyway to catch recurrence early for people with double mastectomy without reconstruction. Is routine ultrasound effective in catching anything brewing. Can we still do MRIs?

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I would definitely push for MRI. Since the MRI can examine my reconstructed boob side and it’s environment.. when there is no breast there… it should be the same for a non reconstructed environment; still chest wall and nodal system.

If your insurance won’t pay find out what it would cost you. In my area one could purchase this for $400.00. It was once thousands .

We need to self advocate for screenings regardless of our breast status. We are forever at risk.

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@cashemire

@anjalima Thanks for yr commiseration
I had mastectomy last July and axillary dissection
Am healing well but still some nerve pains
I had not opted to take the AI the first time but am doing so now.
According to the stats I guess I am in that unlucky 2 to 3 percent where bc reoccurs locally after rad!

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I have been on AI Anastrozole for one year… with mild totally manageable joint discomfort mitigated by yoga stretches and walking. I don’t even need a Tylenol… and I’m 72 so joint discomfort is not unusual in any case. Also I did a one year DEXA to monitor bone density and I have held my numbers from pre AI.

These decisions we make are so challenging. I opted out of radiation because I was concerned with those side effects! I’m hoping I made the right decision there. But as I’m 99% ER + I knew that AI was the best option for me.

Not everyone has side effects or unmanageable side effects. I hope you are one of them. 🌸

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@anjalima

I have been on AI Anastrozole for one year… with mild totally manageable joint discomfort mitigated by yoga stretches and walking. I don’t even need a Tylenol… and I’m 72 so joint discomfort is not unusual in any case. Also I did a one year DEXA to monitor bone density and I have held my numbers from pre AI.

These decisions we make are so challenging. I opted out of radiation because I was concerned with those side effects! I’m hoping I made the right decision there. But as I’m 99% ER + I knew that AI was the best option for me.

Not everyone has side effects or unmanageable side effects. I hope you are one of them. 🌸

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@anjalima mine is also 98 percent ER and so far no side effects from the Arimidex (4 months of every other day) at 71 yrs
I wonder if our age has something to do with the lack of side effects

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@cashemire

@anjalima mine is also 98 percent ER and so far no side effects from the Arimidex (4 months of every other day) at 71 yrs
I wonder if our age has something to do with the lack of side effects

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Interesting… I have thought of that… further from menopause.

May I ask how/why every other day? Intrigued.

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@anjalima

Interesting… I have thought of that… further from menopause.

May I ask how/why every other day? Intrigued.

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@anjalima Wary of meds and lack of data that every other day is ineffective.
Recent studies with similar AIs show similar estrogen blocking effects for Letrozone and Exemestane at 3 times weekly. I know med community has to wait for larger scale studies and would not approve and maybe it is imprudent on my part but I am hoping this keeps me from some of the possible side effects but also safe from recurrence. A very personal decision.

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