CAR-T: Opportunity to Connect

Posted by Bob, Alumni Mentor @grandpabob, Sep 23, 2020

Hello Car T Cell Therapy followers,
I just want to advise the followers of this group that I and others are out here ready to respond to any posts on this site.
I know it is a small group of followers on Car T Cell Therapy due to the narrow scope of this particular treatment.

If anyone out there wants to connect on this group for any reason, I encourage you to do so. There is usually someone not too far away that is more than happy do share a few kind words and some guidance.
Bob

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Bone Marrow Transplant (BMT) & CAR-T Cell Therapy Support Group.

@cracalexander

Hi, soon I may be facing a trial with Quadruple chemo followed by CAR-T in one arm & ABMT in the other. This is initial treatment for Multiple Myeloma. Any comments?

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Hi @cracalexander, welcome. Have you started treatment yet? Have you been selected for the CAR-T arm of the study trial or bone marrow transplant?

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If everything goes well, I will be an outpatient most of the time.

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@4health4bonnie

Are there long term effects that have been experienced when you have had car t? Are these different depending on what kind of cancer or drug used?
Does life pretty much return to normal? Can you travel and be in crowds? My infusion is March 26. Did everyone not drive for two months? Any long term cognitive effects?

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Good morning, @4health4bonnie You’re big day is getting closer and I know you have a lot of questions on your mind before your CAR-T therapy adventure begins.

I’m not sure if you’ve seen this other discussion in the this support group but here is a link to a current conversation with other members who have gone through the procedure:
CAR-T Cell Therapy: Introduce yourself and connect with others
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/car-t-cell-therapy-introduce-yourself-and-connect-with-others/
This is one on many positive replies from other members:
@ntsimpson, whose husband had CAR-T and she had this to share:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/1237355/
Feel free to tag any of the members by adding their @name or by clicking the blue Reply button in their comment. That way a reply box will open where you can type your message. The member will be notified if they have their notifications for messages turned on.

How is your preparation coming along? How soon do you need to be admitted? Are you an inpatient or outpatient for the bulk of the procedure?

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Are there long term effects that have been experienced when you have had car t? Are these different depending on what kind of cancer or drug used?
Does life pretty much return to normal? Can you travel and be in crowds? My infusion is March 26. Did everyone not drive for two months? Any long term cognitive effects?

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@4health4bonnie

I have a small apartment I have rented close to ohsu and the cancer center. Thank you for the detailed instructions. My caregiver is coming from another state, so it will be interesting! I feel better reading the infection control is temporary.

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Hi, just wanted to add my reassurance on the whole infection control piece. It really does become second nature pretty quickly, and while it does involve limitations, there’s still a lot you can do. I didn’t miss cleaning the bathroom, but really missed sushi! I am 18 months post transplant and I am still more cautious than I was in the past, they will give you some recommendations for longer-term limitations, I don’t swim in certain types of water and wear gloves when taken care of pet rabbits, which can have some hard to treat germs. But it is definitely doable. I truly hope all goes well for you. Many of us have done it and come out the other side doing just fine.

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@4health4bonnie

What is abmt?

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Autologous marrow transplant.

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Hi, soon I may be facing a trial with Quadruple chemo followed by CAR-T in one arm & ABMT in the other. This is initial treatment for Multiple Myeloma. Any comments?

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Lots to see here. I have a couple of questions about this. I know that so far it is only approved for a limited number of blood cancers. On my las visit with my hematologist/oncologist, he noted that they may be starting a phase 1 clinical for my condition. I am very open to these studies and have been doing my best to learn more. There was a good webinar by LLS a few weeks ago that was helpful.

In general what would be the criteria for inclusion/exclusion for a phase 1 CAR-T study? I just missed out on one a year ago with an oncogene inhibitor (0.5% low on an echo). I have seen lots of "success" stories, and have heard of those that were not quite as good, but cannot find out why (the mother of a friend had poor results) so would like to know more of these potential downsides.

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@loribmt

Hi Bonnie. You have a target date! I think it can be a relief to have the time scheduled, to know the plan is going forward.

One of the first things you’ll receive before your infusion, as you mentioned, will be a Picc line. It’s a type of port with long, soft, flexible tubes inserted into a vein in the upper arm to administer fluids or medications. It’s also used for blood draws and will make your life easier without all the needle pokes you’ve gotten used to by now.
You’ll be in a surgical room for this briefly while the doctor uses image guiding equipment to make sure the placement is secure. I’ve had 4 of these during my leukemia treatments. They’re easy and painless.

You’ve also been given very stringent instructions to prevent infection. It is imperative that you follow these guidelines. With your CAR-T therapy, you’ll be having lymphodepleting pre-conditioning chemo which will deplete your immune system, leaving you very vulnerable to infection whether bacterial, viral or fungal. This is temporary so don’t panic! Life resumes to near normal in the future. But for now, wear a mask around people, in stores, church, elevators…
no gardening or watering plants in your house…to avoid fungal infections. No cleaning, no laundry, no toilet bowl swabbing, no changing litter boxes. Your toilet bowl should be cleaned often however.
If there is any pink/black mildew on your shower curtain, now is the time to replace it!
A biggie! There is no longer a 5 second rule! If food hits the floor, consider it lost in the lava! Sanitizing wipes are your best friends to wipe surfaces, light switches, etc.
Cooking is out of the question for a while because you should not handle or eat raw/undercooked meats…chicken, fish, beef/pork, etc.
Foods from the deli or even packaged ‘soft meats’ such as turkey and ham should be avoided for potential listeria infection…unless you heat them first…all meats that you consume should be cooked to 160 degrees. Raw fruits need to be scrubbed before eating. Even bananas. Peel apples.
Lettuce/romaine salads, strawberries, raspberries are off limits. No honey!!
Another no-no is going out to eat at a buffet! Too many opportunities for bacterial growth on the food…and contamination from other people handling the serving utensils. This also entitles you at family gatherings to be the first to be served! Have someone else dish up your food so you don’t have to use common utensils.
Think GERMS. No touching your hands to your face or rubbing your eyes. Basically, this is your opportunity to sit like a pretty princess while others dote on you hand a foot for a few weeks. ☺️

You’ll also be asked to keep that Picc line in your arm clean and dry. It is another potential port of entry for bacterial. Your CAR-T care team will do the maintenance on the port, but it’s up to you for the personal hygiene portion. You may be instructed to buy Aqua Guards, a plastic film barrier with tape around 4 sides to seal your arm from water while showering. You can make your own with Glad Self Stick foodwrap Or a plastic baggie with paper medical tape.

I know, Bonnie, this is a lot to absorb! But what you’re going through is no walk on the beach so you don’t want to screw it up by risking an infection if it can be avoided. Everyone who has had a bone marrow transplant or CAR-T Therapy has been given similar instructions. These were my instructions from Mayo when I had my BMT. So grin and bear it…the time will go quickly and you’ll be back to a more normal existence.
I’m here, along with other members to help you through this. So don’t hesitate to ask questions! 😊
Will you have to relocate to another city to have your transplant? Is this an outpatient service for you or will you be admitted to a clinic for a few weeks?

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I have a small apartment I have rented close to ohsu and the cancer center. Thank you for the detailed instructions. My caregiver is coming from another state, so it will be interesting! I feel better reading the infection control is temporary.

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