Occipital Neuralgia: What treatments work for you?

Posted by jmb73 @jmb73, Sep 11, 2019

I have been having headaches on one side of my head and have recently been diagnosed with occipital neuralgia. They recommend a nerve bloc but I wonder anyone else has this and how they handle it.. I don't want a nerve bloc. The headaches are usually mild but occasionally the pain wakes me up. They got worse after I had my Gamma surgery. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Hello Jennifer, I read your comments and they are similar ( but different) than mine. I have pain in the back off my head when laying down and my scalp is sensitive to touch, but its much worse than that, I also have face pain, jaw pain, pain behind my ear. I just did a nerve ablation of c1,c2,c3,c4 and I'm three weeks in, however, I have not seen any improvement. I know this pain I have I is related to my cervical spine, as movement can light up the nerves and I cannot lay on my right or left side for that matter. Sleeping is difficult and my pain ranges from day to day. I have started to get pain when eating now... so, I have symptoms of both Occipital Neuralgia and Trigeminal Neuralgia. Do you have a doctor that has experience with upper cervical spine issues and treating people with ON/TN? I'm 58 and I don't want to be on a lifetime of anticonvulsants ( which fail over time) not to mention the side effects. Any help is appreciated.

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@lisa2022 Hi Lisa. Have you been seen at Mayo as a patient? I saw in your other comments something about a neurologist. One question I have is what is the condition of your cervical spine that is causing the pain and leading to the ablations?

I have had similar symptoms with pain on the back of my head, and misalignment of my jaw with jaw or face pain at times. That has happened when my upper cervical vertebrae were twisted or tilted by muscle spasms. There are so many muscles attached to the vertebrae, that twisting them will stretch one side and cause pain up the back side of my head. I also have thoracic outlet syndrome and one side of my neck is tighter than the other and probably causes the independent rotation of the vertebrae. I had vertigo a few times. I had a compressed spinal cord because of a collapsed C5/C6 disc and bone spurs that were pressing into it, and I had spine decompression surgery at Mayo. I still work on the TOS in physical therapy.

From what you describe with increased pain when laying on either side, it may be that your neck is not fully supported and not in line with the body. If there are narrowed spaces around the nerve roots, side bending could bring on pain. I did experience that because my disc had collapsed 50%, and if I bent my neck to the side, the bone contacted the nerve exiting at that level and brought on very sharp pains. If your jaw is out of alignment. it can cause pain because it can compress the very small spaces where nerves travel between the angle of the jaw and your ear. Having cervical vertebrae moving around, and a misaligned jaw will throw everything off and I have dealt with that in physical therapy.

Can you give me some more information about cervical spine issues? Do you have recent imaging and a diagnosis of a structural spine issue?

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@mattie77 What kind of issues do you have with C1 & C2? That can be the source of your headaches. I am a cervical spine surgery patient and I used to get bad occipital headaches and vertigo that happened when C1 & C2 were rotated or tilted. My muscle spasms calmed down after I had a C5/C6 fusion. I also have thoracic outlet syndrome (TOS) that makes my neck and chest tighter on one side, and I suspect that is why my vertebrae will rotate on their own. Physical therapy has helped a lot. My PT could get my vertebrae realigned with the proper curve again which relieves pain except for the affected disc. You may want to look at our discussion on MFR or myofascial release. These other links may be of interest too.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/myofascial-release-therapy-mfr-for-treating-compression-and-pain/
https://mskneurology.com/how-truly-treat-thoracic-outlet-syndrome/
https://mskneurology.com/vestibular-impairment-and-its-association-to-the-neck-and-tmj/
https://mskneurology.com/atlas-joint-instability-causes-consequences-solutions/
https://mskneurology.com/true-cause-solution-temporomandibular-dysfunction-tmd/

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Hello Jennifer, I read your comments and they are similar ( but different) than mine. I have pain in the back off my head when laying down and my scalp is sensitive to touch, but its much worse than that, I also have face pain, jaw pain, pain behind my ear. I just did a nerve ablation of c1,c2,c3,c4 and I'm three weeks in, however, I have not seen any improvement. I know this pain I have I is related to my cervical spine, as movement can light up the nerves and I cannot lay on my right or left side for that matter. Sleeping is difficult and my pain ranges from day to day. I have started to get pain when eating now... so, I have symptoms of both Occipital Neuralgia and Trigeminal Neuralgia. Do you have a doctor that has experience with upper cervical spine issues and treating people with ON/TN? I'm 58 and I don't want to be on a lifetime of anticonvulsants ( which fail over time) not to mention the side effects. Any help is appreciated.

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I have tribe links neuralgia and occipital neuralgia. Botox and radio ablation helped me a lot. My etiology is small fiber neuropathy so while I have a small amount of large fiber i.e. spinal impinge ment the main problem is the small nerve fiber are degrading.

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Marylynn... I see you stated that you had Botox AND an ablation.. I am still suffering. I did a nerve ablation of c1,c2,c3,c4 three weeks ago and have not seen any improvement. I have both occipital nerve pain when lying down and face and jaw pain, so trigeminal neuralgia too. I have only hade Botox for neck spasming, but now want to try it for the trigeminal neuralgia pain. Do you or anyone reading this know if someone at Mayo will inject for TN? I have read that they can inject the "zygomatic arch" .. I have horrible pain in the right side of my head. "temporalis muscles" and I want to have these areas injected before I resort to anticonvulsants. ( I have to drive and function at a high level) I have something wrong with my neck and its not plainly visible on an MRI,( just age related disc degeneration) ultimately I would like to find a doctor who can find out what structurally is causing this pain. AND FIX IT.

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Hi @wa34937 - if you click the View & Reply button at the bottom of this email notification, it will take you to the ON discussion where Colleen moved your post. Then just scroll to the top and you can see the discussion description and posts made by other members.

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Thanks!!

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Hi Colleen,
Would you mind showing me that group? I’ve had ON for two years straight now and it’s getting increasingly worse. I’d love to connect with others to see what works for them.

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Hi @wa34937 - if you click the View & Reply button at the bottom of this email notification, it will take you to the ON discussion where Colleen moved your post. Then just scroll to the top and you can see the discussion description and posts made by other members.

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Hi @wa34937, I moved your message to this discussion about Occipital Neuralgia in the Brain & Nervous System group so that you can connect with @jmb73 @bumble81 @jenniferhunter @rwinney @eifeltower @jlfisher56 and others with ON.

Wa, is this a recent diagnosis for you? What sypmtoms do you experience and what treatments are you considering?

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Hi Colleen,
Would you mind showing me that group? I’ve had ON for two years straight now and it’s getting increasingly worse. I’d love to connect with others to see what works for them.

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Hello fellow headache sufferers. I’ve been getting what feels like ice pick headaches for approximately 20 years. When I first started getting them ibuprofen would work. My headaches would last a few days. I would get them sporadically, sometimes not for years. About six years ago I started getting them again. I brought this up to my DDS and he thought maybe it could due to clenching my teeth. He fit me with a mouth guard, no headaches for years. Well my headaches resurfaced about a year ago. I’ve had three severe bouts in the past year. I have a new PCP and he’s diagnosed me with Trigeminal Neuralgia. What I’m reading here sounds more like I might have occipital neuralgia. My headaches start on one side of my skull and slowly work their way up to almost the top of my skull. They happen on either one side or the other. The area affected is tender to touch. Even brushing my hair in the area is painful. I’ve had an injection in my next about two years ago by my pain mgm doc, have issues with my C1 & C2. I got my latest ice pick headache three days ago and it’s still going strong. The pain can be so debilitating! I have an appt with a new neurologist next month. My former neurologist never really diagnosed my headaches plus she closed her practice without notifying her patients. 😬. Maybe I should reach out to my pain mgm doc for an evaluation and diagnosis? Appreciate any feedback. It sounds more like ON than TN which may be why the meds (Carbamazepine 100 MG 2 x day) my PCP has me taking aren’t helping with the pain away. Thanks!

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I have tribe links neuralgia and occipital neuralgia. Botox and radio ablation helped me a lot. My etiology is small fiber neuropathy so while I have a small amount of large fiber i.e. spinal impinge ment the main problem is the small nerve fiber are degrading.

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I too have very similar problem, pain in the back of my head when laying down and I cannot wear glasses because it hurts behind my ears. I took carbamazepine also... did not work and I'm not willing to up it , due to side affects. I was misdiagnosed with trigeminal neuralgia. I am still seeking help for occipital neuralgia... cervical head aches... I now have spasming in the back of my head now. If you got any answers would love to know. And hope you are felling better.

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Hi. Sorry to hear of your many issues. I went to my pain management doctor shortly after I posted this. He diagnosed me with occipital neuralgia and gave me a nerve block in my skull around the area of my pain. I then went to a neurologist shortly after that and she diagnosed me with stabbing headaches. She prescribed Ketorolac, 10 mg. which I didn’t take as I believe the injections did the trick. I’m very thankful my headaches didn’t return after the injections. Note: I went to my neurologist as a back up in case the headaches returned. You you might want to see about nerve blocks. The pain I experienced was horrific!

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Hello fellow headache sufferers. I’ve been getting what feels like ice pick headaches for approximately 20 years. When I first started getting them ibuprofen would work. My headaches would last a few days. I would get them sporadically, sometimes not for years. About six years ago I started getting them again. I brought this up to my DDS and he thought maybe it could due to clenching my teeth. He fit me with a mouth guard, no headaches for years. Well my headaches resurfaced about a year ago. I’ve had three severe bouts in the past year. I have a new PCP and he’s diagnosed me with Trigeminal Neuralgia. What I’m reading here sounds more like I might have occipital neuralgia. My headaches start on one side of my skull and slowly work their way up to almost the top of my skull. They happen on either one side or the other. The area affected is tender to touch. Even brushing my hair in the area is painful. I’ve had an injection in my next about two years ago by my pain mgm doc, have issues with my C1 & C2. I got my latest ice pick headache three days ago and it’s still going strong. The pain can be so debilitating! I have an appt with a new neurologist next month. My former neurologist never really diagnosed my headaches plus she closed her practice without notifying her patients. 😬. Maybe I should reach out to my pain mgm doc for an evaluation and diagnosis? Appreciate any feedback. It sounds more like ON than TN which may be why the meds (Carbamazepine 100 MG 2 x day) my PCP has me taking aren’t helping with the pain away. Thanks!

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I too have very similar problem, pain in the back of my head when laying down and I cannot wear glasses because it hurts behind my ears. I took carbamazepine also... did not work and I'm not willing to up it , due to side affects. I was misdiagnosed with trigeminal neuralgia. I am still seeking help for occipital neuralgia... cervical head aches... I now have spasming in the back of my head now. If you got any answers would love to know. And hope you are felling better.

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Hello fellow headache sufferers. I’ve been getting what feels like ice pick headaches for approximately 20 years. When I first started getting them ibuprofen would work. My headaches would last a few days. I would get them sporadically, sometimes not for years. About six years ago I started getting them again. I brought this up to my DDS and he thought maybe it could due to clenching my teeth. He fit me with a mouth guard, no headaches for years. Well my headaches resurfaced about a year ago. I’ve had three severe bouts in the past year. I have a new PCP and he’s diagnosed me with Trigeminal Neuralgia. What I’m reading here sounds more like I might have occipital neuralgia. My headaches start on one side of my skull and slowly work their way up to almost the top of my skull. They happen on either one side or the other. The area affected is tender to touch. Even brushing my hair in the area is painful. I’ve had an injection in my next about two years ago by my pain mgm doc, have issues with my C1 & C2. I got my latest ice pick headache three days ago and it’s still going strong. The pain can be so debilitating! I have an appt with a new neurologist next month. My former neurologist never really diagnosed my headaches plus she closed her practice without notifying her patients. 😬. Maybe I should reach out to my pain mgm doc for an evaluation and diagnosis? Appreciate any feedback. It sounds more like ON than TN which may be why the meds (Carbamazepine 100 MG 2 x day) my PCP has me taking aren’t helping with the pain away. Thanks!

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It sounds more like arteritis…you stated that brushing your hair can set one off. ON is more like a nerve issue (that’s what I was told) . I have completely desiccated discs C-3 thru 7. I call them my right side headaches…they’re coming more frequently & lasting longer…the last one was 5 days

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