Not Good News after prostate biospy when MRI didn't look too bad

Posted by diverjer @diverjer, Feb 10 9:29pm

Last month I had PSA of 5.23 when a few months earlier it was 3.2. Then they scheduled me for MRI of prostate. Did another PSA and it was down to 4.16, but still wanted the MRI. Report is below, doesn't look good PI-RADS 5. At one point they say in report Lesions (PI-RADS 3 or higher). If I understand it, it hasn't spread. Wish I could get a plan with doctor!

FINDINGS:
Prostate measurement: 5.7 x 5.0 x 4.9 cm Prostate volume: 68.75 cc PSA: 4.16 ng/mL PSA density: 0.06 ng/mL/cc
Peripheral zone: See below.
Transition zone: No index lesion. Stromal and glandular BPH nodules.
Lesions (PI-RADS 3 or higher):
Lesion # 1: Location: Left posterior peripheral zone extending from the base to the apex Size: 2.4 x 1.3 x 2.6 cm (5.83 cc). T2: T2
hypointense DWI: Marked restricted diffusion DCE: Focal early enhancement, positive Prostate margin: Abuts the capsule without
definite invasion Overall PI-RADS Score: 5/5
Prostatic capsule: Intact.
Neurovascular bundles: Not involved.
Seminal vesicles: Not involved.
Lymph nodes: No lymphadenopathy.
Bones: No acute osseous abnormality.
Other findings: Small fat-containing right inguinal hernia.
IMPRESSION:
1. The prostate gland measures 5.7 x 5.0 x 4.9 cm with volume of 68.75 cc. PSA density is 0.06 NG/mL/CC. 2. Lesion # 1: PI-
RADS 5 lesion in the left posterior peripheral zone extending from the base to the apex measures 5.83 cc. No frank extracapsular
extension. 3. No pelvic lymphadenopathy.
PI-RADS Category 5: Very high (clinically significant prostate cancer is highly likely to be present)

Really doesn't look to bad, one spot that hasn't spread!

Then Bad Update 2/10/2026
Well got biopsy yesterday and results today, doctor hasn't called, just sent biopsy results to MyChart.

The MRI showed only one Lesion like shown above. Had biopsy done yesterday, they did 3 from the Lesion and 6 from each side of prostate. I wondered why they did more biopsy that were outside the lesion, but didn't ask. Got report today- not good. The lesion look better than areas where MRI saw nothing. They took 15 samples total.
Results:
Final Diagnosis
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A. Prostate, "LLB", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+4=7 (Grade group 2) in 1 of 1 core, involving 30% of needle core tissue.

B. Prostate, "LMB", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 4+3=7 (Grade group 3) in 1 of 1 core, involving 70% of needle core tissue

C. Prostate, "LLM", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+4=7 (Grade group 2) in 1 of 1 core, involving 60% of needle core tissue.

D. Prostate, "LMM", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 4+3=7 (Grade group 3) in 1 of 1 core, involving 60% of needle core tissue.
Large cribriform glands present.

E. Prostate, "LLA", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+4=7 (Grade group 2) in 1 of 1 core, involving 60% of needle core tissue.

F. Prostate, "LMA", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+4=7 (Grade group 2) in 1 of 1 core, involving 50% of needle core tissue.

G. Prostate, "RLB", biopsy:
Benign prostatic tissue.

H. Prostate, "RMB", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 4+3=7 (Grade group 3) in 1 of 1 core, involving 10% of needle core tissue.

I. Prostate, "RLM", biopsy:
Benign prostatic tissue.

J. Prostate, "RMM", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 4+3=7 (Grade group 3) in 1 of 1 core, involving 50% of needle core tissue
Large cribriform glands present.

K. Prostate, "RLA", biopsy:
Benign prostatic tissue.

L. Prostate, "RMA", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 4+3=7 (Grade group 3) in 1 of 1 core, involving 25% of needle core tissue

M. Prostate, "ROI#1", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+4=7 (Grade group 2) in 3 of 3 cores involving 70% of needle core tissue

Another thread I posted in a person said "You have a Gleason 4+3 7 BUT you have large cribriform and doctors a UCSF say that puts a 5 in your Gleason score." I believe he picked this up from the biopsy report. I don't know what a cribriform even is, it's not mention in report. From googling around it can only be determined by sieve-like or "Swiss cheese" appearance under a microscope and I don't see that in report? But this is all new to me. Doctors haven't talked to me yet, who knows when they will call or make appointment, took long time to get MRI and even longer to get the biopsy done. Sure were fast getting results, they said 7 - 10 days and they gave them to me the next day. Kind of wish they didn't give me results prior to talking with me.

My first thought is just get the thing cut out, not sure how that is done, as seems they got to leave something in there for urine to flow threw. So they couldn't take 100 percent of prostate out. Then I read about nerve sparing or not and not sure what that means. No doctors have discussed this with me yet. Seems if they take it out there shouldn't be any prostate cancer left? But then I read where people get it out and still have a PSA level, so like I said earlier, they must leave some in there, even when they call it total. Had to drive 150 miles to get MRI and biopsy They could have done that in Topeka, but KUMC is ranked as number 50 in top of prostate treatment so I went there Topeka doesn't have a Proton device, that would be back up to KUMC 150 miles RT. One of those radiations therapy is only a few days, not 30 some days. They do have SBRT radiation in Topeka, but I know of someone who had SBRT or maybe it was IMRT and it screwed up several other organs around the prostate, like bladder, kidneys and intestines.
Then some tell me I am lucky to have them all in grade group 2 or 3. But seems like I had a lot of them (12 of the 15) . So I would guess if they did 25 biopsy I could have had more grade group 2 or 3.
All confusing and stressful, other that this I am 78 years old healthy as a horse- no other issues and very active. Loss of what to do and all the different radiation types, that why just getting the pesky thing cut out of there, but seems they still leave some in.

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Question about catheter leakage, wonder if anyone ever heard of. I know this is gross. Had this catheter in now 10 full days and there has been some leakage around tube that goes in penis. This only started last couple days. But the leakage had been minor and I just fold up a couple pieces of toilet paper and it doesn’t get very wet, just small spot, I thought no big deal. Then today I got some more leakage where I could actually see urine running out, small little stream. But it only happen when sitting on stool and penis is down lower than normal. Doesn’t happen when everything pulled up with shorts on. Showed wife tonight sit on toilet seat and nothing happen, she thought I was crazy and I thought I guess it stopped. But then all of a sudden a little stream came out around the tube from penis. I guess it was time for some draining and it took path of lease resident? Wasn’t straining or pushing. No kinks in drain or anything . Anyway, pull up shorts and then got everything higher and no little streams. Didn’t start until today. The only difference is tube more of uphill when it’s hanging down and only small uphill when pulled up with shorts. But still that didn’t matter until today and a little yesterday. I sure seem to be having a difficult, but then I don’t know anyone who went through this. Maybe this normal?

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@diverjer
I have heard other people complain about this problem. They have different size tubes they can put in for the catheter and I guess the one you have is a little bit too small.

I had a catheter for 14 days and had no problems at all with leakage.

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Question about catheter leakage, wonder if anyone ever heard of. I know this is gross. Had this catheter in now 10 full days and there has been some leakage around tube that goes in penis. This only started last couple days. But the leakage had been minor and I just fold up a couple pieces of toilet paper and it doesn’t get very wet, just small spot, I thought no big deal. Then today I got some more leakage where I could actually see urine running out, small little stream. But it only happen when sitting on stool and penis is down lower than normal. Doesn’t happen when everything pulled up with shorts on. Showed wife tonight sit on toilet seat and nothing happen, she thought I was crazy and I thought I guess it stopped. But then all of a sudden a little stream came out around the tube from penis. I guess it was time for some draining and it took path of lease resident? Wasn’t straining or pushing. No kinks in drain or anything . Anyway, pull up shorts and then got everything higher and no little streams. Didn’t start until today. The only difference is tube more of uphill when it’s hanging down and only small uphill when pulled up with shorts. But still that didn’t matter until today and a little yesterday. I sure seem to be having a difficult, but then I don’t know anyone who went through this. Maybe this normal?

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@diverjer
My husband had this problem after about a week with catheter. We went to the ER late evening and waited till 3 am to be seen. The duty doctor told us the catheter had somewhat dislodged but pulling it out and fixing it in would be painful. Since we had just 2 more days to go with the catheter, he told us to just watch for infection or puss, but otherwise should be ok. However he did try to put it in place by gentle manoeuvre and that helped somewhat.

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@jeffmarc

I keep thinking I should post pis, I could keep the XXX rated part out.

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@diverjer
Many of us post pics it’s pretty easy,

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Okay I will post a pic and keep it out of the XXX category, it gets much worse further down below. I think between the 2 surgeries within 6 hours didn't help. Then pulling the JP drain too early may have added. I don't know, maybe this is normal? Picture taken on 8th 8 1/2/ days after surgery. If too gross tell me and I will delete.

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Okay I will post a pic and keep it out of the XXX category, it gets much worse further down below. I think between the 2 surgeries within 6 hours didn't help. Then pulling the JP drain too early may have added. I don't know, maybe this is normal? Picture taken on 8th 8 1/2/ days after surgery. If too gross tell me and I will delete.

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@diverjer
So sorry for your distress. Hope things will get better for you soon. My Husband too had a painful dark rown bruise but on the side only and it faded within couple of weeks. Doctor said his surgery went very well but The day after surgery he was not discharged because the bruise in the navel (the main cut) was continuing to bleed. To make things worse one of the Junior doctors on rounds pressed hard on it by way of examining and it got worse. Finally the Surgeon decided it could be because of the blood thinner they had given him before the surgery. So they infused him with a blood thickener, very small dose though and the bleeding stopped, thank God.
Best wishes and prayers for your speedy recovery.

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Okay I will post a pic and keep it out of the XXX category, it gets much worse further down below. I think between the 2 surgeries within 6 hours didn't help. Then pulling the JP drain too early may have added. I don't know, maybe this is normal? Picture taken on 8th 8 1/2/ days after surgery. If too gross tell me and I will delete.

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@diverjer Classic ecchymosis - probably turning colors already.
Phil

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Well the color has got lot better last 2 days. Swelling down alot also.
Catheter taken out today and lots of draining, seems I don't have feeling of needing to pee. I guess it drains before that sensation starts. Like when getting up out of chair, I feel some shooting out, then I can hold it some and finish in toilet. Am doing kegals alot. Not sure of best length to hold, lots of theories on time and reps. Did notice when standing and starting a kegal, some urine shoots out, Google said not unusual on asking why. Doctor doesn't want me to start pelvic floor PT for 6 whole months, said things need to heal. Hopefully things we'll get better, would like to have something go really great for once through all this. I thought that crappy pathology report might be end of bad . All started with MRI everyone said looks pretty good no big deal! Now 5 months later nobody says, not that bad looks pretty good.
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Well the color has got lot better last 2 days. Swelling down alot also.
Catheter taken out today and lots of draining, seems I don't have feeling of needing to pee. I guess it drains before that sensation starts. Like when getting up out of chair, I feel some shooting out, then I can hold it some and finish in toilet. Am doing kegals alot. Not sure of best length to hold, lots of theories on time and reps. Did notice when standing and starting a kegal, some urine shoots out, Google said not unusual on asking why. Doctor doesn't want me to start pelvic floor PT for 6 whole months, said things need to heal. Hopefully things we'll get better, would like to have something go really great for once through all this. I thought that crappy pathology report might be end of bad . All started with MRI everyone said looks pretty good no big deal! Now 5 months later nobody says, not that bad looks pretty good.
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@diverjer The best way to perform a correct Kegel is to pinch off or interrupt your stream during urination for maybe 5-10 seconds, resume…interrupt, etc.
Phil

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@diverjer The best way to perform a correct Kegel is to pinch off or interrupt your stream during urination for maybe 5-10 seconds, resume…interrupt, etc.
Phil

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@heavyphil
I have to kind of imagine having a stream right now it's just leaking. But I do those exercises like I'm cutting off a stream did a hundred of them this morning. Last night I did get up a four times and actually pee a small stream, but was so happy to see a stream, even a little bloody I let it go. Overnight Depends was still heavy this morning. Hopefully today I don't just leak all the time like after they pulled the catheter out yesterday afternoon. I may be expecting too much for my first day?

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@heavyphil
I have to kind of imagine having a stream right now it's just leaking. But I do those exercises like I'm cutting off a stream did a hundred of them this morning. Last night I did get up a four times and actually pee a small stream, but was so happy to see a stream, even a little bloody I let it go. Overnight Depends was still heavy this morning. Hopefully today I don't just leak all the time like after they pulled the catheter out yesterday afternoon. I may be expecting too much for my first day?

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@diverjer
100 of them are too much. This was discussed in one of the online meetings I go to. One guy mentioned he was doing a similar number to what you are doing And a couple other people in the meeting started talking about the subject.

They worked with a physical therapist that specialized incontinence and they were told do not do that many kagles that’s not beneficial, And could actually cause problems.

40 or 50 is about the maximum you should do in a day. You want to build up the muscle not wear it out. You can find information about doing kagles on the web, if you’re not going to somebody who specialize in it, you should look into some of those videos.

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