Newbie confused by doctor options to choose, including Keith McCormick

Posted by stacibw @stacibw, Apr 2 11:51am

I’m still learning and navigating my Osteoporosis diagnosis and trying to get my healthcare providers lined up. I’m 51.

I have a PCP who I will only be using as a “sick doctor” going forward. She is aware of my diagnosis and is not up to date on care or treatment.

I have a neuro-kinetic therapist who I work with (recovering from a back injury) who is extremely knowledgeable in osteoporosis exercise. So I will continue to work with her for strength building.

I have a gyn who is not knowledgeable about osteoporosis and referred me to a local endocrinologist.

Those are all of my current health care providers.

Here’s where I’m getting confused….

I really am drawn to Keith McCormick. I prefer functional medicine but like that he also is incredibly knowledgeable about meds and doesn’t hesitate to use them when needed. I have no problems with video appointments.

I have a consultation with the Mayo Clinic in July - the endocrinology team.
They will review my case and decide if they will provide a treatment plan for my local docs or if they will accept me as a patient. So that’s up in the air.

There is a local functional doctor, who specializes in healthy aging and osteoporosis that I am considering.

The endocrinologist that my gyn referred me to doesn’t have an opening until August.

My questions….

Do people use Keith McCormick to completely manage osteo? Or do you also have a local endocrinologist and they work together? Furthermore, when McCormick orders labs, is that done at a local lab or through my regular doc? Thinking costs…..and insurance (I have Cigna - too young for Medicare) for all of those lab tests.

Does anyone have a functional doctor that manages osteoporosis in collaboration with Keith McCormick?

Does anyone see a dietician? I eat a whole foods plant based diet, so am realizing that I am deficient in quite a bit of protein and calcium according to “Strong Bones” teachings. Both of the functional med doctors have nutritionists on board that could help with that.

I’m so overwhelmed just choosing providers! What do you suggest?

Cost does matter - it isn’t the driving factor at this point (understanding and knowledge is the highest priority now).

As of now - I’m flying solo until the end of July, when I meet with Mayo. Wish I had some solid medical guidance before then, but so far have not been able to get earlier new patient appts.

What are most people doing - especially those who have seen or talked to Keith McCormick for a consult or care?

The more I read, the more confused I get. I have time to make decisions, but half a year will have passed before I actually see someone, let alone make any decisions about care. Need to get my ducks in a row.

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Such a well written post @stacibw! You articulated so many of my concerns and questions so much better than my original post. Thanks for the well thought post

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@ans

And I’ll add , when I went for my second Endo appt and had already learned quite a bit I point blank asked that I hoped she would work with Dr. McCormick if need be . I subsequently asked for certain blood tests and she did them. Drugs can be and should be part of the tx plan if indicated , but know you should , or at least it’s better to be doing all the other things as well. Exercise , good diet, supplements as needed, etc . Good luck !!!

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My gyn is not up to date with osteoporosis, but told me she would work with a functional doctor if I found one - as long as she felt they would use meds if needed, and as long as they would work with her.

My PCP won’t work with anyone (she is about to be replaced).

I have a referral for a local endo - and an appt in August, but don’t know if she is open to working with anyone else or not.

Thanks for the feedback. I’m sending in my info to McCormick in hopes for a consultation before my other appointments to get me headed in the right direction.

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@yogagirl57

I have an appointment with Dr. McCormick on 5/15. I can't wait. My endocrinologist was only interested in giving me Fosamax. My primary sided with her. She (endo) never even asked me anything about me. I'm a yoga teacher and have been doing cardo and weights since my early 20's. I am 67. I have been very disillusioned for sure. Overwhelmed. I came across Dr. Mccormick, and I like that he will send you for lots of lab tests if you require them. Nothing even close to the medical profession (from my experience). He has a very good reputation so hoping to start to make progress. I commend you for getting that appointment with Mayo Clinic. Can I ask where you started with them to obtain that appointment or did you just call them? I wish you success in your endeavor and July will be here before you know it! You've made progress already just be getting that appointment!

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Thanks,

I googled “how to get an appt with mayo” and a screening questionnaire was completed. Then I waited for them to call me.

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@stacibw

Thanks,

I googled “how to get an appt with mayo” and a screening questionnaire was completed. Then I waited for them to call me.

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Excellent! I'm presuming the appointment is via Zoom or are you close and go in person?

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@stacibw

My gyn is not up to date with osteoporosis, but told me she would work with a functional doctor if I found one - as long as she felt they would use meds if needed, and as long as they would work with her.

My PCP won’t work with anyone (she is about to be replaced).

I have a referral for a local endo - and an appt in August, but don’t know if she is open to working with anyone else or not.

Thanks for the feedback. I’m sending in my info to McCormick in hopes for a consultation before my other appointments to get me headed in the right direction.

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@stacibw I haven't told my doctors that I talk with McCormick!

I wonder if you can get on the cancellation list (and call at 10 am to see if there are any!).

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Could you make an appointment with McCormick that comes after your Mayo consult? Then if your consult goes well, you could cancel the McCormick appointment. If you think you want a second opinion, you could keep the appointment.

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Hi stacibw, it's great that you found this platform. Given how young you are, it's also great that you're trying to get a handle on what is best to do. First of all, nothing is urgent. Your condition is not going anywhere and any deterioration is slow. The most important thing other than fact finding and making appointments is to avoid situations where you could experience a fracture. So waiting for months for an initial consult is fine. Osteoporosis (OP) treatment is usually managed by endocrinology and rheumatology, though PCPs will and do manage care also. In my opinion, it's best to go to a specialist with training and experience in treating OP.

My PCP referred me to the care of my rheumatologist who simply prescribed Evenity based on my DEXA scan results and did no lab work whatsoever. I then scheduled with an endocrinologist who is a leading researcher in OP and waited a year to see her. My insurance denied Evenity, my rheumatologist then prescribed Tymlos and I declined that. They are both similarly priced and it didn't sit well with me that my insurance was dictating treatment, so I waited. While waiting, I had a consultation with Dr. McCormick, who recommended the lab work and also recommended Evenity. He shared an interesting tidbit, that he had seen a few clients whose distal radius scores got worse after Tymlos, and given that my worst score is there (at the wrists), he was glad that I had declined to take it. A year later I saw the endocrinologist who ordered all the labs but one and also prescribed Evenity to be followed by Reclast as I had had one infusion back in 2018 with no adverse side effects.
So, I knew what I needed and when my insurance declined again, this time dictating that I do Tymlos and Forteo beforehand (another story about the stupidity of that), I looked into paying out of pocket. I got one quote of $13K per month (uh huh!) and another at the retail cost of $2,650 or so per month. I agreed to pay that, and then the pharmacist worked with the Amgen rep and appealed the decision and won! Somehow they were able to get the medical part of my insurance to cover some of the cost (vs the medication part of my insurance run by Caremark), which qualified me to apply for Amgen's support program. I now pay $25.00 per month and have had eight treatments thus far. I mention this because you will probably run into this issue as well.
So my OP is being managed by an endocrinologist (who does all the testing and DEXA scans), rheumatology (through which I get the treatment), and I continue to consult with Dr. McCormick and use his supplements. I also work with functional integrative MD and their nutritionist for IBS. From diagnosis to treatment start took about 2.5 years for me, but only because I refused treatments that were covered in favor of getting the treatment that was prescribed. There is a lot . . . a lot of information to gather and learn, so take your time, take a deep breath and know that Mayo endocrinology and Dr. McCormick will most likely give you the best advice for your needs. Good luck!

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@roisin11

Hi stacibw, it's great that you found this platform. Given how young you are, it's also great that you're trying to get a handle on what is best to do. First of all, nothing is urgent. Your condition is not going anywhere and any deterioration is slow. The most important thing other than fact finding and making appointments is to avoid situations where you could experience a fracture. So waiting for months for an initial consult is fine. Osteoporosis (OP) treatment is usually managed by endocrinology and rheumatology, though PCPs will and do manage care also. In my opinion, it's best to go to a specialist with training and experience in treating OP.

My PCP referred me to the care of my rheumatologist who simply prescribed Evenity based on my DEXA scan results and did no lab work whatsoever. I then scheduled with an endocrinologist who is a leading researcher in OP and waited a year to see her. My insurance denied Evenity, my rheumatologist then prescribed Tymlos and I declined that. They are both similarly priced and it didn't sit well with me that my insurance was dictating treatment, so I waited. While waiting, I had a consultation with Dr. McCormick, who recommended the lab work and also recommended Evenity. He shared an interesting tidbit, that he had seen a few clients whose distal radius scores got worse after Tymlos, and given that my worst score is there (at the wrists), he was glad that I had declined to take it. A year later I saw the endocrinologist who ordered all the labs but one and also prescribed Evenity to be followed by Reclast as I had had one infusion back in 2018 with no adverse side effects.
So, I knew what I needed and when my insurance declined again, this time dictating that I do Tymlos and Forteo beforehand (another story about the stupidity of that), I looked into paying out of pocket. I got one quote of $13K per month (uh huh!) and another at the retail cost of $2,650 or so per month. I agreed to pay that, and then the pharmacist worked with the Amgen rep and appealed the decision and won! Somehow they were able to get the medical part of my insurance to cover some of the cost (vs the medication part of my insurance run by Caremark), which qualified me to apply for Amgen's support program. I now pay $25.00 per month and have had eight treatments thus far. I mention this because you will probably run into this issue as well.
So my OP is being managed by an endocrinologist (who does all the testing and DEXA scans), rheumatology (through which I get the treatment), and I continue to consult with Dr. McCormick and use his supplements. I also work with functional integrative MD and their nutritionist for IBS. From diagnosis to treatment start took about 2.5 years for me, but only because I refused treatments that were covered in favor of getting the treatment that was prescribed. There is a lot . . . a lot of information to gather and learn, so take your time, take a deep breath and know that Mayo endocrinology and Dr. McCormick will most likely give you the best advice for your needs. Good luck!

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McCormick did Forteo himself and has done well. He broke cortical bone. I did Tymlos first and my hip (including cortical) gained quite a bit. I think it is reasonable to do Tymlos first and then Evenity. McCormick is a big fan of Evenity right now, it seems, but the other meds are good too. You can do Tymlos, covered by insurance, and if gains are not enough, iinsurance should then cover Evenity. That is what I am doing. Just my two cents!

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@hopefullibrarian

After writing my previous comment, I saw one by @bluebonnet242. She's been trying to get an appointment with Dr. McCormick, and he's booked out until June. You can read her comment here: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/1043669/
His opinion is highly sought after, so it may still be worth getting a consult even if it's after your appointment at the Mayo. He can't order tests, or prescribe meds. Instead, he can give you guidance, and if your doctor/s willing, he'll work with them to plan the best treatment for you.

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Just to be sure I was giving accurate information, I emailed Dr. McCormick to verify whether or not he can order tests, and/or prescribe medications. He just got back to me. This was his reply, "I am working with people on an information and educational basis only...not as their doctor. They still need to work with their medical professional. I am just here to help them understand bone loss and to help in the way they can receive good care from their doctor. I do not prescribe and can give ony general advice on how to approach their skeletal health. Hope that helps clarify. Keith"

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@thisoldewe

Hi dna41,
I too am getting off of Prolia this month.
I received very thorough comments from formics and gently. You can view these discussions in this Osteoporosis group.
I hope all things go well for you.
All the best.

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Hello dna41 and thisoldewe -
How long have you been taking Prolia? And has your doctor been open to help you wean off Prolia? Are you going to take another osteoporosis medication or going to manage it without medications?

I would like to get off Prolia and plan to talk to my endo in June. I've taken Prolia 3 times and would like to not take it come the 4th time. Any suggestions on best way to approach this subject with the endo?

All the best to you both.

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