Husband had Whipple surgery and chemo: He's uncomfortable

Posted by joanalc @joanalc, Jan 31, 2023

I'm trying to be supportive, but he's to undergo chemo for 6 months, and have 5 to go. He's uncomfortable much of the time. Help!

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@nvan22

My results are the same Dr Kendrick was my surgeon everything was done laparoscopically 5 tiny incisions but I can barely see three of them. I am NED. Went back to Mayo for the 3 week intensive radiation vs the 5 week. In the end my tumor was dead he just peeled it off during surgery. The journey is far from over though it’s like having bariatric surgery so you learn to eat all over again and expect to lose weight. I lost 20 lbs I know people who have lost 40 lbs it’s very hard to gain the weight back. My highest CA-19 was in the 60s I believe the highest maybe it was a little higher. I am also done to very low single digits. Best of luck to you. You are in great hands!!

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I earlier stated Dr. Kendall, but I meant to say Dr. Kendrick. Was your laparoscopic Whipple done robotically? Did he do a full Whipple or a modified Whipple and preserve your pylorus?

Thanks for your reply. Hearing from someone who precedes me on such a similar path (in the same clinic and with the same surgeon no less) is very helpful. Congrats on your good outcome and ongoing improvement.

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@wjk

I'm about a year behind you. I'm a 74 year old guy, diagnosed Stage 1 Adenocarcinoma at head of pancreas 2 months ago, received initial Folfirinox infusion at Mayo in Rochester, followed by 2nd and 3rd infusions here in Alaska. I suspect my course of treatment (with additional 5-9 Folfirinox treatment) will be similar to yours and will be returning to Mayo for radiation (if needed) and the necessary Whipple. If you don't mind sharing some particulars.... What was your initial/highest CA19.9 level? Was your Whipple a full or modified Whipple? Was it done Endoscopically and Robotically? Who are/were your oncologists and surgeons at Mayo? Mine are Alberts and Kendall. Thanks in advance for any particulars you're willing to share. Congrats on your NED status and very low CA19.9 level. May some of us follow in your very successful footsteps. The Mayo Clinic is a wonderful place.

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You are lucky like me in that I also had a stage 1A adenocarcinoma. Had whipple 12/21 and just got my CT scan and Ca19 results back. Scan okay and Ca 19 at 14. Next check up is in 2/24. Margins clean and lymph nodes too. Elected to take no chemo but some holistic stufff that may or may not be helpful as one never nows. From what you are saying you should be in good shape with this beast and you are at a great clinic as I did my in Dallas.

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@wjk

I'm about a year behind you. I'm a 74 year old guy, diagnosed Stage 1 Adenocarcinoma at head of pancreas 2 months ago, received initial Folfirinox infusion at Mayo in Rochester, followed by 2nd and 3rd infusions here in Alaska. I suspect my course of treatment (with additional 5-9 Folfirinox treatment) will be similar to yours and will be returning to Mayo for radiation (if needed) and the necessary Whipple. If you don't mind sharing some particulars.... What was your initial/highest CA19.9 level? Was your Whipple a full or modified Whipple? Was it done Endoscopically and Robotically? Who are/were your oncologists and surgeons at Mayo? Mine are Alberts and Kendall. Thanks in advance for any particulars you're willing to share. Congrats on your NED status and very low CA19.9 level. May some of us follow in your very successful footsteps. The Mayo Clinic is a wonderful place.

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My results are the same Dr Kendrick was my surgeon everything was done laparoscopically 5 tiny incisions but I can barely see three of them. I am NED. Went back to Mayo for the 3 week intensive radiation vs the 5 week. In the end my tumor was dead he just peeled it off during surgery. The journey is far from over though it’s like having bariatric surgery so you learn to eat all over again and expect to lose weight. I lost 20 lbs I know people who have lost 40 lbs it’s very hard to gain the weight back. My highest CA-19 was in the 60s I believe the highest maybe it was a little higher. I am also done to very low single digits. Best of luck to you. You are in great hands!!

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@dgoinvestments

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I had 12 Folfirinox treatments and then 15 r=
adiation treatments with oral chemo twice a day. I started chemo in May and i=
t lasted until mid-October, then October 31st started radiation and was luck=
y enough to stay at the Hope Lodge right in Rocester (a free cancer house) f=
or three weeks while I did radiation. I finish November 18th. I flew to Cali=
fornia to celebrate Thanksgiving and an early Christmas with my son and flew=
back to MN in time to have my surgery with Dr. Truty (Kendall=E2=80=99s par=
tner) on December 6th. I was in the hospital for 8 days with no ICU. I woke w=
ith an epidural and one drain plus a feeding tube which I never needed. I ex=
perienced very little pain and eating, even in the hospital, was no problem.=
Once home it was slow going but the nurse from Truty=E2=80=99s office calle=
d and said I was trying to run a marathon instead of learning to walk. Once I=
understood what she meant, I realized how well I felt each week from the pr=
evious week instead of looking at only day by day. I never used my feeding t=
ube so they took it out on my  week visit. I flew to Florida for the wi=
nter on January 20th after the =E2=80=9Cgo ahead=E2=80=9D by Truty=E2=80=99s=
office. I have not had any problems with eating although I am still 18 poun=
ds lighter, at 5=E2=80=994=E2=80=9D i went from 132 to 114-117. Since then I=
bought new clothes as pants and shorts fell off my hips, but I am loving li=
fe and my last two scans have been NED and my CA19-9 is down to 3. I play pi=
ckleball 5-6 days a week for 2 hours. I am in Vegas with my family and walki=
ng 17,000 to 21,000 steps a day with my Grandsons. They might be killing me b=
ut I love the fact I can do it at 72. Dr. Truty is not trained in robotic as=
is Kendall, so I did not have robotic and I would prefer open anyway. I wok=
e up to a glued incision which looked healed after the first day and never b=
othered me after at all. It is still a bit numb but no problems. I hope all t=
his rambling helps alleviate any fears you might have. I realize we are all d=
ifferent in how we react and heal, but that is my story. Mayo is a miraculou=
s place and Truty and Kendall are amazing surgeons dedicated to PC. I wish y=
ou the best of luck with your journey.=E2=80=9C=
Yesterday is a memory, today is a gift, tomorrow is a dream=E2=80=9D.=E2=80=9CI am not going to die before I am dead=E2=80=9D.=
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Thanks so much for your "ramblings"! I'll share your very helpful and encouraging reply with my wife. Like you, I found every aspect of patient care to be exceptional, particularly my specific pancreatic care team, including each and every staff member in gastroenterology, oncology, surgery, etc. Indeed, Mayo Clinic is an amazing place.

I'll be using your endnote comment as good reminder going forward. "Yesterday is a memory, today is a gift, tomorrow is a dream." May I be lucky enough to find myself in your condition a year from now. Best wishes to you and your family.

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@wjk

I'm about a year behind you. I'm a 74 year old guy, diagnosed Stage 1 Adenocarcinoma at head of pancreas 2 months ago, received initial Folfirinox infusion at Mayo in Rochester, followed by 2nd and 3rd infusions here in Alaska. I suspect my course of treatment (with additional 5-9 Folfirinox treatment) will be similar to yours and will be returning to Mayo for radiation (if needed) and the necessary Whipple. If you don't mind sharing some particulars.... What was your initial/highest CA19.9 level? Was your Whipple a full or modified Whipple? Was it done Endoscopically and Robotically? Who are/were your oncologists and surgeons at Mayo? Mine are Alberts and Kendall. Thanks in advance for any particulars you're willing to share. Congrats on your NED status and very low CA19.9 level. May some of us follow in your very successful footsteps. The Mayo Clinic is a wonderful place.

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I had 12 Folfirinox treatments and then 15 r=
adiation treatments with oral chemo twice a day. I started chemo in May and i=
t lasted until mid-October, then October 31st started radiation and was luck=
y enough to stay at the Hope Lodge right in Rocester (a free cancer house) f=
or three weeks while I did radiation. I finish November 18th. I flew to Cali=
fornia to celebrate Thanksgiving and an early Christmas with my son and flew=
back to MN in time to have my surgery with Dr. Truty (Kendall=E2=80=99s par=
tner) on December 6th. I was in the hospital for 8 days with no ICU. I woke w=
ith an epidural and one drain plus a feeding tube which I never needed. I ex=
perienced very little pain and eating, even in the hospital, was no problem.=
Once home it was slow going but the nurse from Truty=E2=80=99s office calle=
d and said I was trying to run a marathon instead of learning to walk. Once I=
understood what she meant, I realized how well I felt each week from the pr=
evious week instead of looking at only day by day. I never used my feeding t=
ube so they took it out on my  week visit. I flew to Florida for the wi=
nter on January 20th after the =E2=80=9Cgo ahead=E2=80=9D by Truty=E2=80=99s=
office. I have not had any problems with eating although I am still 18 poun=
ds lighter, at 5=E2=80=994=E2=80=9D i went from 132 to 114-117. Since then I=
bought new clothes as pants and shorts fell off my hips, but I am loving li=
fe and my last two scans have been NED and my CA19-9 is down to 3. I play pi=
ckleball 5-6 days a week for 2 hours. I am in Vegas with my family and walki=
ng 17,000 to 21,000 steps a day with my Grandsons. They might be killing me b=
ut I love the fact I can do it at 72. Dr. Truty is not trained in robotic as=
is Kendall, so I did not have robotic and I would prefer open anyway. I wok=
e up to a glued incision which looked healed after the first day and never b=
othered me after at all. It is still a bit numb but no problems. I hope all t=
his rambling helps alleviate any fears you might have. I realize we are all d=
ifferent in how we react and heal, but that is my story. Mayo is a miraculou=
s place and Truty and Kendall are amazing surgeons dedicated to PC. I wish y=
ou the best of luck with your journey.=E2=80=9C=
Yesterday is a memory, today is a gift, tomorrow is a dream=E2=80=9D.=E2=80=9CI am not going to die before I am dead=E2=80=9D.=
Sent from Denna=E2=80=99s iPadOn Jul 12, 2023, at 9:54 AM, Mayo Clinic Connect=
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@dgoinvestments

I get my treatment at May Clinic in Rochester, MInnesota. My Pancreatic group wanted 12 rounds of Folfirinox which I did, then 15 rounds of radiation with two oral chemo pills twice a day, then surgery. According to my team, without a Whipple, I would die. With a Whipple I had a chance of survival. I did everything the team asked. Before surgery my tumor was not even measurable it had shrunk so much and my CA19-9 marker was down to 12. My Whipple was 7 months ago yesterday, both scans at 3 months and 6 months have been clean, NED and my CA19-9 marker was down to 3. I am very pleased with the results although the road getting there was tough, I would do it all over again the exact same way. Hope this helps. Best of luck! May God look over you!

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I'm about a year behind you. I'm a 74 year old guy, diagnosed Stage 1 Adenocarcinoma at head of pancreas 2 months ago, received initial Folfirinox infusion at Mayo in Rochester, followed by 2nd and 3rd infusions here in Alaska. I suspect my course of treatment (with additional 5-9 Folfirinox treatment) will be similar to yours and will be returning to Mayo for radiation (if needed) and the necessary Whipple. If you don't mind sharing some particulars.... What was your initial/highest CA19.9 level? Was your Whipple a full or modified Whipple? Was it done Endoscopically and Robotically? Who are/were your oncologists and surgeons at Mayo? Mine are Alberts and Kendall. Thanks in advance for any particulars you're willing to share. Congrats on your NED status and very low CA19.9 level. May some of us follow in your very successful footsteps. The Mayo Clinic is a wonderful place.

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@stephenkogler

Hi JK,
JHH is not perfect but the doctors and most nurses are A++. They are a high volume pancreatic center. They work as a team and when you get through the gates, you attend a clinic where numerous doctors look at your case and recommend treatment and an oncologist and surgeon is assigned to your case. There are several surgical teams that focus specifically on the Whipple. I am now 10 weeks past surgery. Chemo was cancelled this week bc of low WBC. If you are thinking of JHH, I would contact them to get in the queue for the pancreatic clinic.

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Thank you very much. Wishing you well!

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@jk77

@dgoinvestments : May I ask whether chemo + radiation has made you NED, or whether you also needed, or will need, surgery?

I've had six rounds of Folfirinox, will have at least two more, and am waiting for my onc to discuss my case at his dept.'s next weekly conference. It's not yet clear whether my cancer has metastasized (there are nodules on my lungs, but a CT scan three days ago indicate no change in their size, which is good BUT not conclusive); if it has, then my onc. doesn't want me to have surgery.

For now, the options seem to be radiation, radiation followed by surgery, surgery, or more chemo. So far, the chemo seems not to have shrunk my tumor, tho it has lowered my CA19-9, from 387 to 163. So I'm wondering whether radiation + oral chemo can zap the tumor and get one to a state of NED. Thanks for your time and help; wishing you well.

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I get my treatment at May Clinic in Rochester, MInnesota. My Pancreatic group wanted 12 rounds of Folfirinox which I did, then 15 rounds of radiation with two oral chemo pills twice a day, then surgery. According to my team, without a Whipple, I would die. With a Whipple I had a chance of survival. I did everything the team asked. Before surgery my tumor was not even measurable it had shrunk so much and my CA19-9 marker was down to 12. My Whipple was 7 months ago yesterday, both scans at 3 months and 6 months have been clean, NED and my CA19-9 marker was down to 3. I am very pleased with the results although the road getting there was tough, I would do it all over again the exact same way. Hope this helps. Best of luck! May God look over you!

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@jk77

@stephenkogler : Thanks so much for this post. I live in Maryland, and if you're comfortable sharing the name of your oncologist, I'd be grateful.

I've been receiving treatment at a hospital that, according to US News, isn't nationally ranked in any department. This makes me nervous. I'm at this hospital bc my PCP was there and for other reasons (too complicated to explain), but as I await word next week about what happens next -- I've had six rounds of Folfirinox, and it's not clear whether I'm a candidate for surgery -- I'm nervous. I want to live!

My onc is bright and he has very good academic credentials, but it's hard not to be swayed by the HOPKINS name. (I shdn't be, bc I earned my grad degree there in a highly rated department that was, unfortunately, garbage for a few years, including mine, but I suspect that JHH is more stable than a JHU academic dept.)

Thank you, and best wishes.

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Hi JK,
JHH is not perfect but the doctors and most nurses are A++. They are a high volume pancreatic center. They work as a team and when you get through the gates, you attend a clinic where numerous doctors look at your case and recommend treatment and an oncologist and surgeon is assigned to your case. There are several surgical teams that focus specifically on the Whipple. I am now 10 weeks past surgery. Chemo was cancelled this week bc of low WBC. If you are thinking of JHH, I would contact them to get in the queue for the pancreatic clinic.

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@wjk

Yes, your comments are helpful. Since my earlier post I've had another ERCP, stent replacement, as well as an EUS, biopsies, CT Angiogram, and exploratory laparoscopy with peritoneal wash. (Like you, my initial stent relieved most of my symptoms in about a week.) I'm diagnosed as Adenocarcinoma, Stage 1B. The tumor is not entangled badly with the nearby major vein and artery. Adjacent nodes are fine and there is no indication of metastasis. Intra-abdominal scrapings during peritoneal wash were negative. My 3rd Fulfirinox infusion happens in a few days. My CA 19.9 went from 316 to 641, then down to 321 10 days ago. Following 6 or 10 more Folfurinox infusions I anticipate having the Whipple, with a possibility of 3-4 weeks of radiotherapy prior to surgery if needed.

Sounds like we are on similar paths though the course of our treatments are not firm, but is seems like constant change is par for the course when it comes to pancan. Thanks for sharing. All the best to you as well.

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wjk : I'm very graetful for your response -- thank you -- because you're so much more aware of everything that's being done for your care than I am for mine. I've been shockingly passive throughout this process so far, and reading this thread in particular has alerted me to questions that I need to ask my onc (well, his CRNP, whom I'll see in two weeks).

Thank you for helping me even tho *you* had asked for help; wishing you all the best.

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