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Medications for depression and anxiety

Posted by @ainsleigh, Thu, Mar 8 6:54pm

I am interested in discussions re medications. I have been on Fluoxetine 10 mg daily, Ativan 1 mg and Clonazepam 0.5 mg daily for decades. Attempts to go without (after very gradual withdrawal under supervision of Doctor) eventually resulted in return of depression and anxiety. Dr.felt I needed them and I have continued on them. In no case have I ever had to increase the dose of any of them. There seems to be a general feeling the latter 2 are addictive and have to eventually be increased. I have not found this to be the case and wonder how others have found these drugs.
Ainsleigh

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Hi, @ainsleigh — It sounds like you've found that trying to go without the fluoxetine (Prozac), lorazepam (Ativan) and clonazepam (Klonopin) has resulted in a return of symptoms and you and your doctor have found it best to stay on them. We have members in the Connect community who have experience with the medications you mentioned and who may have some input related to your question on how others have found these medications, like @jimhd, @hazelblumberg, @blindeyepug, @contentandwell, @cdcc, @enggal66 and @peach414144.

@ainsleigh — have you found the side effects tolerable for you with these medications?

@lisalucier

Hi, @ainsleigh — It sounds like you've found that trying to go without the fluoxetine (Prozac), lorazepam (Ativan) and clonazepam (Klonopin) has resulted in a return of symptoms and you and your doctor have found it best to stay on them. We have members in the Connect community who have experience with the medications you mentioned and who may have some input related to your question on how others have found these medications, like @jimhd, @hazelblumberg, @blindeyepug, @contentandwell, @cdcc, @enggal66 and @peach414144.

@ainsleigh — have you found the side effects tolerable for you with these medications?

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@ainsleigh @lisalucier I have used lorazepam occasionally, literally an average of one a month, to help me relax so I can sleep. When I am at time when my brain won't shut down it helps. I generally will take it after a couple of bad nights so I can get at least one good night of sleep. I also sometimes take it before we are about to fly somewhere on vacation because my mind is racing then, trying to make sure I haven't forgotten anything. I read somewhere that going on a vacation is often traumatic and I believe that it can be.
That is the extent of my experience with any of those pharmaceuticals. Since I take lorazepam in such a limited amount there would not be any withdrawal.
JK

@lisalucier

Hi, @ainsleigh — It sounds like you've found that trying to go without the fluoxetine (Prozac), lorazepam (Ativan) and clonazepam (Klonopin) has resulted in a return of symptoms and you and your doctor have found it best to stay on them. We have members in the Connect community who have experience with the medications you mentioned and who may have some input related to your question on how others have found these medications, like @jimhd, @hazelblumberg, @blindeyepug, @contentandwell, @cdcc, @enggal66 and @peach414144.

@ainsleigh — have you found the side effects tolerable for you with these medications?

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Thanks -I will read their posts. I do not have any side effects.
Ainsleigh

@lisalucier

Hi, @ainsleigh — It sounds like you've found that trying to go without the fluoxetine (Prozac), lorazepam (Ativan) and clonazepam (Klonopin) has resulted in a return of symptoms and you and your doctor have found it best to stay on them. We have members in the Connect community who have experience with the medications you mentioned and who may have some input related to your question on how others have found these medications, like @jimhd, @hazelblumberg, @blindeyepug, @contentandwell, @cdcc, @enggal66 and @peach414144.

@ainsleigh — have you found the side effects tolerable for you with these medications?

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I take Melatonin 3 mg – 10 mg for a sleep aid, it's natural, from the pineal gland. Check with your doctor for possible interactions though!

https://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/tc/melatonin-overview#1

@lisalucier

Hi, @ainsleigh — It sounds like you've found that trying to go without the fluoxetine (Prozac), lorazepam (Ativan) and clonazepam (Klonopin) has resulted in a return of symptoms and you and your doctor have found it best to stay on them. We have members in the Connect community who have experience with the medications you mentioned and who may have some input related to your question on how others have found these medications, like @jimhd, @hazelblumberg, @blindeyepug, @contentandwell, @cdcc, @enggal66 and @peach414144.

@ainsleigh — have you found the side effects tolerable for you with these medications?

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Yes, written info will tell you not to take melatonin while on antidepressants – so did my doc.

@lisalucier

Hi, @ainsleigh — It sounds like you've found that trying to go without the fluoxetine (Prozac), lorazepam (Ativan) and clonazepam (Klonopin) has resulted in a return of symptoms and you and your doctor have found it best to stay on them. We have members in the Connect community who have experience with the medications you mentioned and who may have some input related to your question on how others have found these medications, like @jimhd, @hazelblumberg, @blindeyepug, @contentandwell, @cdcc, @enggal66 and @peach414144.

@ainsleigh — have you found the side effects tolerable for you with these medications?

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@stressedmesseddepressed I too use melatonin 3 mg sometimes. I have read that in a greater dose it is very apt to cause nightmares and I have known people who stopped taking it because that was happening to them. They were taking a higher dose.
JK

@ainsleigh

I'm glad to have the medications I have, and it's possible I'll need to take them indefinitely. I've taken Clonazepam for 12 years at 1mg, and I don't feel addicted to it or to the Wellbutrin I've been taking the same number of years. My take on it is that taking a medication long term doesn't necessarily equate to addiction. I have another med that I've had to increase the dosage over time, but part of that is the progression of the disease. I don't think it's because my body has gotten used to it and needs more. My doctor keeps a close eye on my meds.

I believe that as long as my meds are doing the job, and I don't have side effects, I'll stick with them.

Jim

@jimhd

@ainsleigh

I'm glad to have the medications I have, and it's possible I'll need to take them indefinitely. I've taken Clonazepam for 12 years at 1mg, and I don't feel addicted to it or to the Wellbutrin I've been taking the same number of years. My take on it is that taking a medication long term doesn't necessarily equate to addiction. I have another med that I've had to increase the dosage over time, but part of that is the progression of the disease. I don't think it's because my body has gotten used to it and needs more. My doctor keeps a close eye on my meds.

I believe that as long as my meds are doing the job, and I don't have side effects, I'll stick with them.

Jim

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12 years!? (That sounds like me and why I'm safely tapering off 4mg! over 6 months.) That would be all well and good, Jim, and you're wise to follow your Doctor's advice, but know that Clonazepam – benzos – are intended for use short-term only and if you want to see side effects, try tapering off the clonazepam – only under a Doctor's supervision!!!; it's a living hell I wouldn't wish on anyone. Even missing a dose; you can't/shouldn't. Doctors go along with what they've learned – "Give your patients a pill and never take them off."

And meds and therapy go together. One needs to do CBT / therapy, too.

But the prices we pay are we ARE habituated and physically-dependent on a benzo – clonazepam – and it is said to damage your GABA receptors. After 12 years, it will be almost impossible for you to get off the clonazepam without terrible withdrawal symptoms even with your Doctor's help, and it's dangerously re-wiring your GABA receptors (all 50 million or so) by staying on for 12 yrs.! and ARE physically dependent by staying on them too long and damaging – arguably – your brain staying on it long-term. If you attempt to get off the 1 mg. even, you will know the hell of physical dependence, unfortunately! And you can't stay on a benzo for the rest of your life unless you don't mind re-wiring dangerously your brain, imo, NOT a doctor but a good researcher.

The lion (benzo) will not sleep quietly forever when you're on a benzo.

Wishing us all good health!

http://www.bendbulletin.com/home/2119922-151/benzodiazepines-treat-anxiety-cause-long-term-problems

@jimhd

@ainsleigh

I'm glad to have the medications I have, and it's possible I'll need to take them indefinitely. I've taken Clonazepam for 12 years at 1mg, and I don't feel addicted to it or to the Wellbutrin I've been taking the same number of years. My take on it is that taking a medication long term doesn't necessarily equate to addiction. I have another med that I've had to increase the dosage over time, but part of that is the progression of the disease. I don't think it's because my body has gotten used to it and needs more. My doctor keeps a close eye on my meds.

I believe that as long as my meds are doing the job, and I don't have side effects, I'll stick with them.

Jim

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@jimhd Hi Jim:

I always appreciate the balanced, reasonable approach you take! Thanks for sharing these thoughts about meds.

Teresa

@jimhd

@ainsleigh

I'm glad to have the medications I have, and it's possible I'll need to take them indefinitely. I've taken Clonazepam for 12 years at 1mg, and I don't feel addicted to it or to the Wellbutrin I've been taking the same number of years. My take on it is that taking a medication long term doesn't necessarily equate to addiction. I have another med that I've had to increase the dosage over time, but part of that is the progression of the disease. I don't think it's because my body has gotten used to it and needs more. My doctor keeps a close eye on my meds.

I believe that as long as my meds are doing the job, and I don't have side effects, I'll stick with them.

Jim

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@jimhd

Yes Jim, I'm in the same boat as you. Once I began taking Citalopram my mood improved so much that I realized I would be taking it for the rest of my life. I'm sure I needed it long before I began taking it 6 years ago. I also take Diovan for blood pressure, although I'm only taking 20 mg now, and I take Levothyroxin for thyroid and insulin for T2 diabetes. I don't think I should try to get off these medications. I'm taking the lowest doses possible and they all increase my health and well being.

I have been taking Tramadol for the past 1+ year, and I have withdrawn from taking it 4 times a day. I never increased my dosage while I was taking it, but when the majority of my pain was reduced, I decided I wanted to stop taking it. I have found that I still need to take 1/2 a pill occasionally for pain, and yesterday my TMJ was so painful, I actually took a whole pill. That's the first time since my withdrawal that I have taken an entire pill. I also went to my chiropractor and he worked on my TMJ. I'll see him again next Wednesday.

My point is, I don't think I need to, or should stop taking all drugs that are working to keep me healthier and to relieve pain or anxiety (when I need it). I don't want to become addicted, because that will not assist my long term health, but will instead be harmful. I eat a healthy diet due to my diabetes and my weight concerns, but I also stray from it occasionally. I had bariatric surgery (RnY) 4+ years ago for my health. I have been able to reduce, but not stop taking blood pressure meds and insulin. My goal was to stop taking them, but according to my PCP, my genetics predispose me to both problems. So, to be healthy I must still take minimal amounts of drugs for both.

I think that medical research has resulted in many new ways to make/keep us healthier. That is wonderful. There are also many drugs and many surgeries that can result in harm to us. A lot of the difference between help and harm can be in the doctors we choose and in our own knowledge about our bodies. I speak up and ask questions of my doctors when I don't understand why they are doing something. Sometimes I forget to ask until I get home, but then I call and ask my questions, or I can send them messages now. I don't think that stopping all medicines is a good idea. I think taking the least number of medications needed to stay healthy and to reduce pain to tolerable levels is good.

Gailb
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@jimhd

@ainsleigh

I'm glad to have the medications I have, and it's possible I'll need to take them indefinitely. I've taken Clonazepam for 12 years at 1mg, and I don't feel addicted to it or to the Wellbutrin I've been taking the same number of years. My take on it is that taking a medication long term doesn't necessarily equate to addiction. I have another med that I've had to increase the dosage over time, but part of that is the progression of the disease. I don't think it's because my body has gotten used to it and needs more. My doctor keeps a close eye on my meds.

I believe that as long as my meds are doing the job, and I don't have side effects, I'll stick with them.

Jim

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@stressedmesseddepressed

I just take life as it comes. As long as Clonazepam does the job without side effects, I'll keep taking it. I read the precautionary paperwork when I get refills, so that I remain aware of the potential problems.

Jim

Thanks for your input Jim. I was glad to get your opinion- it is what I think too.
Ainsleigh

@gamesjr

I have been prescribed 20 mg of Celexa (Citalopram) and cannot tell wherther it helps. Does anyone experience success with Celexa or any other anti-depressant med?

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The answer is it depends. If you are experiencing depression caused by circumstances, then you may see little result from medication and more from psychotherapy. If you have a long term depression that seems to have no cause, then antidepressants may be the best. A doctor determines which he thinks is best for if a combination of both is best.
Different people get different results from antidepressants. Some people are unable to fully digest some antidepressants. There is testing to tell you if you are in that category and what drugs will not work. It is also possible to wait and see if one helps. This is trial and error as dosage may not be enough. I have tried celexa and many other antidepressants. The best one for me is zoloft. The best will be different for different people. I had to keep getting the dosage increased until it worked. Age and weight can play a role in what is that efficacious dosage. So yes I have found one for me that worked, but it took years to get there. Others may have no trouble and find one quick. Talk with your doctor about your results. Also be aware that antidepressants can take up to six weeks to see full results.

@gamesjr

I have been prescribed 20 mg of Celexa (Citalopram) and cannot tell wherther it helps. Does anyone experience success with Celexa or any other anti-depressant med?

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I have had deep depression for 60 years (it runs in the family) and have been on more antidepressants than I can count. My system is just not responsive to these meds. There are many who do respond at all. However, don't give up hope!! It can be very difficult to find the right one for you as the process can be slow and can get discouraging. The best news is that there is a lot of research going on, and more and more drugs are available. Keep trying and stay positive. I will be praying for you for a quick find of an effective drug and a complete recovery!

@oprah

I have had deep depression for 60 years (it runs in the family) and have been on more antidepressants than I can count. My system is just not responsive to these meds. There are many who do respond at all. However, don't give up hope!! It can be very difficult to find the right one for you as the process can be slow and can get discouraging. The best news is that there is a lot of research going on, and more and more drugs are available. Keep trying and stay positive. I will be praying for you for a quick find of an effective drug and a complete recovery!

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Dear @oprah
Thank you so much for commenting on this difficult subject of Depression! I have been depressed for most of my life; and I have been on every single depressant! I am finally in full remission; however I experienced a Major Stroke on 05/04/01; which was 7 and one half months after my Mother's untimely Death at age 65! She was a Teacher when we were growing up, and then received her Doctorate in Psychology from the Massachusetts School of Professional Psychology in Boston, Massachusetts She then worked as a Cognitive Behavioral Therapist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, MA! She worked with those who didn't have Health Insurance; or worked with people on a sliding scale, just so she could help others! My Mother was my Hero and the one with whom I bonded most, until she passed away from a sudden Heart Attack! I'm grateful she didn't suffer; as I have needed to relearn everything for the past 17 years! It has been the hardest and most arduous thing I have ever had to come back from; however, I have decided to live my life, because I have 7 wonderful Nieces and Nephews, a loving 89 year old (energizer bunny) Father, and 3 siblings, who continue to support my struggles and my accomplishments! I read your Oprah Magazine every month , and wish to thank you for your candor, honesty, inspiration, and your stick-to-itveness,no matter the circumstances! I always watched your show, and appreciate all your wisdom and generosity! I am writing a book entitled "Misunderstood and Resilient"! My book is dedicated most and foremost to my Mother, but is also dedicated to my entire family! The reason for the title, is because I was always treated like a PSYCHIATRIC PATIENT!!!!! I am finally writing it from the perspective of coming back from my Stroke, but also from my point of view as constantly being passed along from one hospital to another, and from being THROWN OUT from the last one on 10/08/14! My entire Team of Providers (Primary Care, Neurology, Neuropsychology, Social Work, Neuropsychiatry, and Sleep Physicians at one Hospital!) I had a major Stroke, Depression, anxiety, and an undiagnosed Non-Verbal Learning Disorder! I was tossed out, without ANY HEALTHCARE; and was BLOCKED ONLINE from
receiving any HEALTHCARE, WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE or WRITTEN CONSENT! However, I have rejoined the world; as I realized my Mother wouldn't have wanted me to give up, without a fight for JUSTICE, PERIOD! My contribution to this world is my book, and I do not want others to EVER SUFFER the ANXIETY, HUMILIATION, DEPRESSION, SUICIDAL IDEATION, IRRESPONSIBILITY, and PURE HATRED from PROVIDERS who take an Oath "FIRST DO NO HARM", prior to receiving their License to practice MEDICINE!!!!! I believe my book will help others in my situation, because that's the reason for shedding light on a subject that is SO PREVALENT in OUR SOCIETY; WHICH IS BLATANT DISCRIMINATION!!!!!
Thank you so much for inspiring me to share my difficult feelings and situation with others!
Sincerely,
Shelley A. Mintz

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