Living With Large-Fiber Neuropathy

Posted by Ray Kemble @ray666, Feb 27, 2024

Hello,

I’m 79. I was diagnosed in 2022 as having idiopathic large-fiber neuropathy (LFN). My symptoms are bad balance, weak-ish legs, and a wobbly gait. Mercifully, I’ve no pain. Understandably, much of the discussion on Connect concerns small-fiber neuropathy, which is more prevalent. I would welcome hearing from others who, like me, have been diagnosed with LFN and are learning to live successfully with it.

Ray (@ray666)

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@marieltha

Thank you! This info is very helpful! And I am going to look at the Atmos again after reading your description. Actually the wide toes with narrow heels is a more common shape than you might expect. For years, New Balance offered shoes made on the SL-2 last which is exactly this shape, but then they stopped making most of them, and in the walking shoes, changed it to wide heels. Sigh. I'll let you know how the Ultrafly5 fits. Thanks again.

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I had forgotten about the SL-2 last! Many years ago, it was my go-to for walking. But as the neuropathy has intensified, I need wider to even make it a couple of miles. Even so, I’m pulling off my shoes as I walk in the door and slipping into crocs.

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I just saw this today, Ray. I have large fiber, axonal polyneuropathy in my feet to my knees, and in the outer edges of my hands since a perfect storm of autoimmune reactions that hit me in 2021. From my reading here, I'm not sure length of fiber involvement makes a difference in terms of mobility. It's the extent and severity of the nerve damage that seems to count more.
I have benefited greatly from continuous physical therapy since 2022, when the pain stopped. This includes Aquatherapy and some swimming. I live as much as possible in the day, use a rolling walker now for short distances and a power wheelchair, and an accessible van which my husband drives, for longer distances.
I've joined a world I didn't want to enter, but I still want to stay in the world and am glad for this community!
By the way, I'm 84, and glad to have my family, friends, and other parts of me in good shape.

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@piranha

I had forgotten about the SL-2 last! Many years ago, it was my go-to for walking. But as the neuropathy has intensified, I need wider to even make it a couple of miles. Even so, I’m pulling off my shoes as I walk in the door and slipping into crocs.

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What is SL-2?

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New Balance: A shoe last is a foot-shaped plastic or wooden mold around which a shoe is built. It provides a shoe's internal shape.
Shoes built on our SL-2 last have a deeper, wider toe box, a higher instep height, and a heel that is slightly more narrow than that of a standard shoe.

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@piranha

New Balance: A shoe last is a foot-shaped plastic or wooden mold around which a shoe is built. It provides a shoe's internal shape.
Shoes built on our SL-2 last have a deeper, wider toe box, a higher instep height, and a heel that is slightly more narrow than that of a standard shoe.

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Not sure if NB makes new styles on the SL-2 these days. But Topo is an option for those of us with similar shaped feet.

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@efgh1020

I just saw this today, Ray. I have large fiber, axonal polyneuropathy in my feet to my knees, and in the outer edges of my hands since a perfect storm of autoimmune reactions that hit me in 2021. From my reading here, I'm not sure length of fiber involvement makes a difference in terms of mobility. It's the extent and severity of the nerve damage that seems to count more.
I have benefited greatly from continuous physical therapy since 2022, when the pain stopped. This includes Aquatherapy and some swimming. I live as much as possible in the day, use a rolling walker now for short distances and a power wheelchair, and an accessible van which my husband drives, for longer distances.
I've joined a world I didn't want to enter, but I still want to stay in the world and am glad for this community!
By the way, I'm 84, and glad to have my family, friends, and other parts of me in good shape.

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Hello, efgh1020 (@efgh1020)

I’m also unsure if fiber length alone determines a person’s set of symptoms. My doctors never mentioned fiber length. Only after considerable reading did I learn that fiber length may – may, not must – determine symptoms. As I was blessed with no pain – not even a smidgeon – and my reading had been suggesting no pain “more often” suggests large fiber, I flat out asked my one neurologist (as he’d just concluded my second EMG) if mine was large fiber. As I recall, his reply was “Oh, most certainly.” That’s why I’ve been calling mine large fiber.

However, it wouldn’t surprise me if I learned there’s a good deal of crossover: large and small fiber.

I’m still getting around pretty well. I’ll carry a cane if I’m heading outdoors or going about in unfamiliar indoor spaces. Here at home, I do pretty well without my cane. Luckily, my neuropathy has not spread; frankly, if my two EMGs hadn’t told me I had sensation loss in my feet, I’d probably not even known it. I say I do pretty well with or without my cane; nonetheless, walking – indoors or outdoors, familiar or unfamiliar environments – calls for a little extra caution.

I wish you well! This can be mind-boggling, this neuropathy business. 🙂

Cheers!
Ray (@ray666)

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@ray666

Hello, efgh1020 (@efgh1020)

I’m also unsure if fiber length alone determines a person’s set of symptoms. My doctors never mentioned fiber length. Only after considerable reading did I learn that fiber length may – may, not must – determine symptoms. As I was blessed with no pain – not even a smidgeon – and my reading had been suggesting no pain “more often” suggests large fiber, I flat out asked my one neurologist (as he’d just concluded my second EMG) if mine was large fiber. As I recall, his reply was “Oh, most certainly.” That’s why I’ve been calling mine large fiber.

However, it wouldn’t surprise me if I learned there’s a good deal of crossover: large and small fiber.

I’m still getting around pretty well. I’ll carry a cane if I’m heading outdoors or going about in unfamiliar indoor spaces. Here at home, I do pretty well without my cane. Luckily, my neuropathy has not spread; frankly, if my two EMGs hadn’t told me I had sensation loss in my feet, I’d probably not even known it. I say I do pretty well with or without my cane; nonetheless, walking – indoors or outdoors, familiar or unfamiliar environments – calls for a little extra caution.

I wish you well! This can be mind-boggling, this neuropathy business. 🙂

Cheers!
Ray (@ray666)

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Ray, I am wondering if you have ever had a Small Fiber Biopsy? And what appendages were used for your EMGs?

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Hi, suetex (@suetex)

I have never had a small fiber biopsy. I'm guessing that because when I first met with a neurologist and told him of my symptoms (some unsteadiness on standing, some instability while walking, but absolutely no pain), he suspected large fiber right off and never even considered asking me to get a small fiber biopsy.

My two EMGs (a year apart) both involved my legs and feet, chiefly my feet.

Ray (@ray666(

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@efgh1020

I just saw this today, Ray. I have large fiber, axonal polyneuropathy in my feet to my knees, and in the outer edges of my hands since a perfect storm of autoimmune reactions that hit me in 2021. From my reading here, I'm not sure length of fiber involvement makes a difference in terms of mobility. It's the extent and severity of the nerve damage that seems to count more.
I have benefited greatly from continuous physical therapy since 2022, when the pain stopped. This includes Aquatherapy and some swimming. I live as much as possible in the day, use a rolling walker now for short distances and a power wheelchair, and an accessible van which my husband drives, for longer distances.
I've joined a world I didn't want to enter, but I still want to stay in the world and am glad for this community!
By the way, I'm 84, and glad to have my family, friends, and other parts of me in good shape.

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In 2021, did your neuropathy start after your covid shots? After my 2nd Phizer shot, I got PN.

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@ray666

Hi, suetex (@suetex)

I have never had a small fiber biopsy. I'm guessing that because when I first met with a neurologist and told him of my symptoms (some unsteadiness on standing, some instability while walking, but absolutely no pain), he suspected large fiber right off and never even considered asking me to get a small fiber biopsy.

My two EMGs (a year apart) both involved my legs and feet, chiefly my feet.

Ray (@ray666(

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Ray, have you experienced any symptoms in your arms. I also have large fiber diagnosis that was just in my feet and lower legs. Same symptoms as you with no pain. Recently I feel some tingling in my arms mostly my right arm. Also are you still taking the medical food that your doctor prescribed (i forgot the exact name) ? If so do you feel it is beneficial?

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