Ketogenic Diets and Pain

Posted by steeldove @steeldove, Sat, Sep 28 11:54am

Has anyone in the group had success with a ketogenic diet? Take a look at this research article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4124736/ Here's an abstract of the article:
Ketogenic diets are well-established as a successful anticonvulsant therapy. Based on overlap between mechanisms postulated to underlie pain and inflammation, and mechanisms postulated to underlie therapeutic effects of ketogenic diets, recent studies have explored the ability for ketogenic diets to reduce pain. Here we review clinical and basic research thus far exploring the impact of a ketogenic diet on thermal pain, inflammation, and neuropathic pain.

Hi @steeldove, my husband and I started the keto diet 2 weeks ago. Family and friends gave it good reviews so we wanted to see our results. It is a difficult diet to maintain for me because I am a pescatarian but my husband loves it so far. One of our friends said he lost 25lbs. While on the diet he had no tremors which he gets periodically. Unfortunately, after stopping the keto diet he noticed the tremors came back. Thank you for the interesting reports. It is too soon for us too tell if the diet is helping with pain. We have neuropathy and a torn rotator cuff in the shoulder. I will keep you posted on our results of the keto diet.

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I'm thinking of trying Intermitant Fasting with a keto diet. People seem to find that effective and that they can continue it for life.

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Hi Steeldove, Be careful with the Keto diet. Although it can help in losing weight quickly, it is a very unbalanced diet. Also, keto weight loss often comes right back on, much like the Atkins diet of years ago. But the real problem is that your body can go into a state of ketosis, which is quite dangerous, and unhealthy. As far as the anti-inflammatory properties , perhaps it helps with this, but at the expense of a well balanced, nutritious diet. I would be scared to do this diet, personally. Good luck, and I know sometimes we just want to try anything to feel better!! Lori Renee

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Hi Steeldove, Be careful with the Keto diet. Although it can help in losing weight quickly, it is a very unbalanced diet. Also, keto weight loss often comes right back on, much like the Atkins diet of years ago. But the real problem is that your body can go into a state of ketosis, which is quite dangerous, and unhealthy. As far as the anti-inflammatory properties , perhaps it helps with this, but at the expense of a well balanced, nutritious diet. I would be scared to do this diet, personally. Good luck, and I know sometimes we just want to try anything to feel better!! Lori Renee

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Did you read the medical article I sent with my post?

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@lorirenee1

Hi Steeldove, Be careful with the Keto diet. Although it can help in losing weight quickly, it is a very unbalanced diet. Also, keto weight loss often comes right back on, much like the Atkins diet of years ago. But the real problem is that your body can go into a state of ketosis, which is quite dangerous, and unhealthy. As far as the anti-inflammatory properties , perhaps it helps with this, but at the expense of a well balanced, nutritious diet. I would be scared to do this diet, personally. Good luck, and I know sometimes we just want to try anything to feel better!! Lori Renee

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Ketosis is not a dangerous state, but ketoacidosis is. See https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324237.php

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@steeldove

Ketosis is not a dangerous state, but ketoacidosis is. See https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324237.php

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Do I have the wrong word in my head? They are similar. I will look at your article. Thanks! Lori Renee

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@steeldove

Ketosis is not a dangerous state, but ketoacidosis is. See https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324237.php

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Hi @steeldove From what I just read, both ketosis and ketoacidosis can be dangerous. However, it is not as common with Ketosis. I think the trick is not to go to overboard with extremes of dieting. Personally, I believe in the most current food pyramid for daily nutrition. I went from 200 to 155 lbs., eating everything but fried foods and all sweets. It was a slow, gradual, process, with exercise regularly. But we are thinking of the Keto diet for neuropathy. I know nothing about that. I have never had anything at all that works very well. Perhaps pain relief for some hours, but not long lasting in any way. Frankly, in a nasty frame of mind today with this neuropathy. Totally frustrated. Pain. Not a good day. Lori Renee

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@steeldove

Ketosis is not a dangerous state, but ketoacidosis is. See https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324237.php

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@steeldove @lorirenee1
For those with diabetes, ketosis can trigger ketoacidosis; the blood becomes too acidic, which can damage the liver, kidneys, and brain. Left untreated, it can be fatal.

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I have been on the Paleo diet for 6 years. Although I believe it is good for your health, unfortunately it did not prevent my SFN. It is similar to the Ketogenic diet but more forgiving and more in line with our prehistoric ancestors' way of eating. I try to follow neurologist Daniel Perlmutter's recommendations and have read all his books. i.e "Grain Brain" and "Grain Maker". I love his cookbook also. Another book I highly recommend is "The Case Against Sugar" by Gary Taubes and also his previous book "Good Calories, Bad calories". I've shared the Audible versions of those last two with all my friends and family members who felt his ideas were life changing! Pam @burningfeetinphoenix

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@burningfeetinphoenix A very wise doctor who was far ahead of his time back in the early 1980s prescribed a "caveman" diet, one which seems to have evolved into the paleo diet. I shall do more research on both paleo and ketogenic, but I find it interesting that research on the ketogenic seems to show that it can help with neuropathy pain.

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@steeldove lmk what you find out. Not sure if I could follow that ketogenic diet…at least Paleo cut one some slack! Pam

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@burningfeetinphoenix Will do. Did you read the medical article I mentioned in my first post on this topic?

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@steeldove…I did. The research mentioned in the paper are very similar to what Dr. Perlmutter advocates in the Paleo diet. I know people who have gone on the Ketogenic diet and had amazing, transforming results! Pam

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Hi Steeldove, Be careful with the Keto diet. Although it can help in losing weight quickly, it is a very unbalanced diet. Also, keto weight loss often comes right back on, much like the Atkins diet of years ago. But the real problem is that your body can go into a state of ketosis, which is quite dangerous, and unhealthy. As far as the anti-inflammatory properties , perhaps it helps with this, but at the expense of a well balanced, nutritious diet. I would be scared to do this diet, personally. Good luck, and I know sometimes we just want to try anything to feel better!! Lori Renee

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Actually – ketosis is NOT dangerous. As a new member I am unable to post links – but you can do a quick Google search to confirm.

I did Keto for 9 months and lost about 15 pounds. When I went back onto a regular diet I did not put weight back on.

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Hi all,
I think there might be some confusion in terms that sound similar but are not the same. Ketosis and Diabetic Ketoacidosis

Ketosis is a metabolic process that occurs when the body begins to burn fat for energy because it does not have enough carbohydrates to burn. During this process, the liver produces chemicals called ketones. The ketogenic, or keto, diet aims to induce ketosis in order to burn more fat. Proponents of the diet claim that it boosts weight loss and improves overall health.
[Source: MedicalNewsToday – What are the signs of ketosis? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323544.php%5D

Diabetic ketoacidosis is a serious complication of diabetes that occurs when your body produces high levels of blood acids called ketones. The condition develops when your body can't produce enough insulin. Insulin normally plays a key role in helping sugar (glucose) — a major source of energy for your muscles and other tissues — enter your cells. Without enough insulin, your body begins to break down fat as fuel. This process produces a buildup of acids in the bloodstream called ketones, eventually leading to diabetic ketoacidosis if untreated.
[Source: Mayo Clinic – Diabetic ketoacidosis https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetic-ketoacidosis/symptoms-causes/syc-20371551

As mentioned above, ketosis is not a dangerous state, but ketoacidosis is, especially for people with diabetes. Has anyone consulted a dietician or nutritionist when considering the Keto diet or any other diet?

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