Just past halfway through salvage IMRT – status report

Posted by melvinw @melvinw, Oct 22 3:15pm

Today I finished #20 of 38 IMRT sessions for a local recurrence of PCa. I thought it might be worth sharing what I’ve experienced so far.

Quick background: Currently 73. Diagnosed with PCa in 2014 (max PSA of 5.2) and underwent a RARP in spring of 2015. Post-surgical pathology showed maximum Gleason score 7 (3+4) and positive margin on the right apex of the prostate. Prolaris score estimated a 53% chance of BCR in ten years. Had urethral sling surgery in 2023 that completely resolved stress incontinence. For ten years, my PSA was undetectable (< 0.1), then this past June it rose to 0.11 and a DRE detected a small, palpable nodule in the prostatic fossa. Nodule lit up on a PSMA PET scan with SUVmax of 13.4, and a pelvic MRI further confirmed the local recurrence. No scanning evidence of distant metastasis, nor pelvic lymph node involvement. After consultations with three oncologists, I agreed to IMRT of the local recurrence and pelvic lymph nodes (prophylactically). No ADT. IMRT started on Sept 2. PSA at initiation of IMRT was still 0.11 (three months after initial rise).

So far, the only side effect of note has been some fatigue that seems to get worse towards the end of the week. Rest on weekends seems to be a reset. Fatigue hasn’t been extreme, but I find myself sleeping longer at night and occasionally taking afternoon catnaps.

No bladder, nor rectal irritation, nor difficulty urinating or defecating. A couple instances of diarrhea, but nothing persistent. I had a couple instances of urinary leakage while sleeping, and now wear a pad a night as a precaution. Urinary continence has been good otherwise.

Early on I had some mild GI upset and an “icy/hot” sensation in my pelvic area, but that all seems to have passed.

The biggest challenge and stressor, as I have previously posted about, is presenting for treatment with an empty rectum (both gas and stool). This seems to be a common experience. So far, I got kicked off the table only once because of too much gas (my second session). I quickly made some dietary adjustments and all has gone passably well since then. However, some days it feels kind of touch and go. Bowel functioning is foremost on my mind every day. A strict regimen of diet, exercise and sleep seems the best assurance for achieving empty rectum status every day before treatment (11:00am). Occasional use of Gas X has helped too. Imodium is on standby, if ever needed.

I have a good, open relationship with the RT team, which eases the situation and also keeps me informed on the status of my bladder and rectum. I really appreciate this aspect of the daily grind.

So, all in all, treatment is moving along well. With that said, I will be glad when it is done and I don’t have to obsess constantly over bowel movements. Fingers crossed that side effects remain minimal and manageable.

Best to you all.

M

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Hey Melvin, I started treatment yesterday. It is a 39 treatment plan. I went into the session feeling great, but about two hours later my stomach started to feel off. Not sick to the point of throwing up, just unsettled. As the night went on I was not hungry and felt tired. I slept all night but woke up feeling drained, muscles tired, and my stomach still not right. I cannot really explain it other than feeling off and a little loopy. Not my normal self. Even my biceps feel tired and sore. I usually exercise every morning but skipped today to rest.
My doctor thinks my body is reacting to the stress of ADT and radiation therapy. I guess I have been holding it in for too long. I am not very good at expressing myself emotionally, so she said my body is reacting to everything and that I just need to push through the first few treatments.
Did you experience anything like this when you started?

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Hey Melvin, I started treatment yesterday. It is a 39 treatment plan. I went into the session feeling great, but about two hours later my stomach started to feel off. Not sick to the point of throwing up, just unsettled. As the night went on I was not hungry and felt tired. I slept all night but woke up feeling drained, muscles tired, and my stomach still not right. I cannot really explain it other than feeling off and a little loopy. Not my normal self. Even my biceps feel tired and sore. I usually exercise every morning but skipped today to rest.
My doctor thinks my body is reacting to the stress of ADT and radiation therapy. I guess I have been holding it in for too long. I am not very good at expressing myself emotionally, so she said my body is reacting to everything and that I just need to push through the first few treatments.
Did you experience anything like this when you started?

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@tj1967 Sorry to hear that you’re getting hit so abruptly. I had some mild nausea in the first couple of weeks that went away eventually. No muscle pain though--that sounds like the ADT, which I didn’t do. I just came back from seeing my PCP and I mentioned to him that doing ADT along with the RT could be a really kicker. So, I think your doc might be right. Yeah, just ride it out and hope things settle out. And if they don’t, don’t be shy about telling your medical team. Btw, I kept a journal of my whole experience. Writing down everything that was going with me, and around me, really helped a lot, especially when having to discuss things with medical professionals or even friends and family. There is a tremendous psychological component to all this that can heap on unexpectedly. Just recognizing the anxiety, and accepting it, can take a load off. Anyway, I hope things settle down.

How long have you been on ADT and what are you taking? Maybe post this as a new topic. Lots of guys here can fill you in on that better than I can.

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@tj1967 Sorry to hear that you’re getting hit so abruptly. I had some mild nausea in the first couple of weeks that went away eventually. No muscle pain though--that sounds like the ADT, which I didn’t do. I just came back from seeing my PCP and I mentioned to him that doing ADT along with the RT could be a really kicker. So, I think your doc might be right. Yeah, just ride it out and hope things settle out. And if they don’t, don’t be shy about telling your medical team. Btw, I kept a journal of my whole experience. Writing down everything that was going with me, and around me, really helped a lot, especially when having to discuss things with medical professionals or even friends and family. There is a tremendous psychological component to all this that can heap on unexpectedly. Just recognizing the anxiety, and accepting it, can take a load off. Anyway, I hope things settle down.

How long have you been on ADT and what are you taking? Maybe post this as a new topic. Lots of guys here can fill you in on that better than I can.

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@melvinw I have been on Orgovyx for about five or six weeks now. I don't think what I felt is related to the medication. I think it was the weight of everything hitting me at once. Lying there while the machine moves around you, knowing it is blasting your insides but you cannot feel a thing, is surreal. I did my second treatment today and again it was no big deal. I think the stress of this whole process just wore me out. I am going to get some sleep tonight and get back to the treadmill and weights tomorrow. Your original post was extremely helpful and motivating. Thank you. Two down, thirty seven to go!

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@melvinw I have been on Orgovyx for about five or six weeks now. I don't think what I felt is related to the medication. I think it was the weight of everything hitting me at once. Lying there while the machine moves around you, knowing it is blasting your insides but you cannot feel a thing, is surreal. I did my second treatment today and again it was no big deal. I think the stress of this whole process just wore me out. I am going to get some sleep tonight and get back to the treadmill and weights tomorrow. Your original post was extremely helpful and motivating. Thank you. Two down, thirty seven to go!

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@tj1967 Exercise is so key in all this. Even on the days when I lacked motivation, I'd push myself to at least go for a short walk and do a bit of resistance training. Always made me feel better. Thirty nine treatments is definitely going to be a slog. Beware the doldrums. when you are far into it but can’t see the light at the end. But you know, now that I am done, it’s almost like it didn’t happen. Just feels good to get back to some semblance of a normal life. Keep us posted on how things are going.

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@tj1967 Exercise is so key in all this. Even on the days when I lacked motivation, I'd push myself to at least go for a short walk and do a bit of resistance training. Always made me feel better. Thirty nine treatments is definitely going to be a slog. Beware the doldrums. when you are far into it but can’t see the light at the end. But you know, now that I am done, it’s almost like it didn’t happen. Just feels good to get back to some semblance of a normal life. Keep us posted on how things are going.

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@melvinw ADT with IMRT can and WILL kick your ass. I fought thru it all the way with diet/exercise and discipline. But when it was over??
THAT was when I felt it the most, letting myself go like a balloon ready to burst having all the air let out.
It sucks, it’s a miserable slog but you’ll get thru it like the rest of us have…
Phil

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Very good point and reminder that the end of treatment is definitely not the end of dealing with the effects of treatment. I allowed myself a bit of a holiday for a few days after ending IMRT, but am ramping back up to a more disciplined approach to diet and exercise. As a friend’s gramps used to say (who also had PCa), “Keep moving if you don’t want them to throw dirt on you”.

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@melvinw ADT with IMRT can and WILL kick your ass. I fought thru it all the way with diet/exercise and discipline. But when it was over??
THAT was when I felt it the most, letting myself go like a balloon ready to burst having all the air let out.
It sucks, it’s a miserable slog but you’ll get thru it like the rest of us have…
Phil

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@heavyphil thanks Phil and Melvin. appreciate you!

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