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Hydrocodone 5-325 3x a day vs Medical Marijuana Option

Posted by @knocerine03, May 28, 2018

Hello. I'm a newbie. Not only to the group, but navigating with my phone! My journey started on Dec 2014 when I fell off a ladder decorating a Xmas tree. I broke all the vertebrae in my back, my ankle and a few times. As was made a trauma patient and prior to discharge complained of a very bad pain in my right hip. It was eventually diagnosed via an stay by the orthopaedic surgeon that "there was no hip issue and I shouldn't make problems where there are no problems." I ended up leaving a job bc of excrutating pain, navigating the system with top orthopaedic surgeons and insurance companies. Almost a year and some later, UofPenn discovered that the pain was coming from a ripped laberal tear. I had the tear repaired in 2016 June, only to have excruciating pain from the back to the hip to the front of the hip to the knee. I obviously had slipped at disc in traction during surgery. I was required to start from the beginning with all hip diagnostic testing which showed it wasn't the hip. Another MRI revealed I had a compressed nerve at the L3/L4 level. The neuro I was seeing happened to send me for a bone density test which now revealed I had Oesteomylitis/Discitis in the area, a rare and deadly infection. I was placed on IV antibiotic therapy for about 6 months. This past April, both Rothman Institute and Penn have conferred that I need 2 infusions before the nerve compressed. I can't tell you the debilitary pain I am in. Becoming worse every day. I still have to go to Hospital of Special Surgery for my 3rd consult, but it doesn't look good. The Hydro that I am on is to the point useless. I need to select a pain management therapy that gives me the ability to functional somewhat normally. Enough relieve to help with daily functions. I have lost my life in what I believe the illness and medical healthcare team has robbed me from. My pain is constant. I'm looking toward finding someone who has experienced moving from opid medical to maraguinia. Are the benefits better? I really don't want to be sleepy or dizzy with current meds or that then of marijuana. Worst fear is weight gain. Best is I want to get up and feel normal. I'm desperate to speak to anyone who has made the change, the kind and dosage recommended and the best configuration. I feel by two physician it might be off me. I'm scared it's not , not affiliated by the negative consequences that comes with it. Will the level and type of marijuana make me more comfortable and less in pain than the opioid, Narco? Hoping for a few folks who have been through this deliminna.

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@artscaping

@knocerine03 I am feeling connected to your journey as we have some similarities. And yes, after 13 othopedic/neurological surgeries and lots of opioids, and other debilitating and scary drugs like Ambien, I have now been on a program/protocol of medical marijuana for almost 3 years. Key to my ability to live reasonably well without opioids has been having good marijuana guides, a neurologist who accepts my choice and is a supportive partner. We work together to try to keep one step ahead of the progressive pain and debilitating issues of polyneuropathy, myofascial pain syndrome and SFN (small fiber neuropathy). The medical marijuana industry is a compassionate one. It also is having such phenomenal growth that problems are created because new products are being introduced every week. Let me explain. There are no RX's for MM (medical marijuana). You have to do some research and then find someone to help you through the maze of options and delivery systems. Be ready to experiment and evaluate . Start slowly and progress carefully. Choose products that fit your lifestyle: morning activity, afternoon rest, and pain free sleep. This may include, vaping cartridges with as pure an oil as you can find, topicals that tone down the needle like tingling, edibles that work well as long as you handle the dosage carefully. My daily routine begins with vaping and then moves to tinctures in my tea or coffee. The key here is what the ratio of THC to CBD works best for you. I use a 3:1 tincture, 3 parts CBD, 1 part THC. My topical is also 3:1 but this time it is 3 parts THC to one part CBD. I have not found any 100% CBD oil available everywhere and on line that works for me. It appears that you need some THC to potentiate the benefit of CBD. The other key issue is time. A vape will deliver help with your pain within a few minutes but only last15 or 20 minutes. A tincture can be subliminal or in a beverage and depending on the ratio may take longer to take effect but last several hours. For me, one dropper gives me an easy, comfortable morning. I may repeat this dosage in late afternoon or during the evening. Bedtime for me means some vaping, a tincture dropper and topicals on my hands/feet and bad myofascial knee. Edibles like infused cookies may take 45 minutes to take effect but last the entire afternoon. You must go slowly with edibles. Remember you can always have more but you cannot have less. So….I now have an older gentleman at the dispensary who helps me every time I visit. And one more tip…get a very good vaping battery. Some are pretty shoddy. And remember that I mentioned problems. Here it is: the industry is growing so fast that you can often not find the same products every time you visit. So you are always experimenting. And one final note: two no-nos. Do not use medical marijuana other than a bit of vape on an empty tummy. And number 2….do not drive after medicating. Most of all, be kind to yourself.

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My Bible is my guide daily. God created all things See Genesis Chapter 1 verse 11 and 12. Now I am not suggesting this is legal. We must pray for our leaders to make right laws. I simply mentioned A statement. I still don't know if Marijuana has seeds. I don't advise anyone to break the law. But you are right. We as a people wanted God in our schools. But the people who did not, had voices louder than the Christians. I guess I will take this to my my represenative. Marijuana is not habit forming and does calm the pain.l

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@artscaping

@knocerine03 I am feeling connected to your journey as we have some similarities. And yes, after 13 othopedic/neurological surgeries and lots of opioids, and other debilitating and scary drugs like Ambien, I have now been on a program/protocol of medical marijuana for almost 3 years. Key to my ability to live reasonably well without opioids has been having good marijuana guides, a neurologist who accepts my choice and is a supportive partner. We work together to try to keep one step ahead of the progressive pain and debilitating issues of polyneuropathy, myofascial pain syndrome and SFN (small fiber neuropathy). The medical marijuana industry is a compassionate one. It also is having such phenomenal growth that problems are created because new products are being introduced every week. Let me explain. There are no RX's for MM (medical marijuana). You have to do some research and then find someone to help you through the maze of options and delivery systems. Be ready to experiment and evaluate . Start slowly and progress carefully. Choose products that fit your lifestyle: morning activity, afternoon rest, and pain free sleep. This may include, vaping cartridges with as pure an oil as you can find, topicals that tone down the needle like tingling, edibles that work well as long as you handle the dosage carefully. My daily routine begins with vaping and then moves to tinctures in my tea or coffee. The key here is what the ratio of THC to CBD works best for you. I use a 3:1 tincture, 3 parts CBD, 1 part THC. My topical is also 3:1 but this time it is 3 parts THC to one part CBD. I have not found any 100% CBD oil available everywhere and on line that works for me. It appears that you need some THC to potentiate the benefit of CBD. The other key issue is time. A vape will deliver help with your pain within a few minutes but only last15 or 20 minutes. A tincture can be subliminal or in a beverage and depending on the ratio may take longer to take effect but last several hours. For me, one dropper gives me an easy, comfortable morning. I may repeat this dosage in late afternoon or during the evening. Bedtime for me means some vaping, a tincture dropper and topicals on my hands/feet and bad myofascial knee. Edibles like infused cookies may take 45 minutes to take effect but last the entire afternoon. You must go slowly with edibles. Remember you can always have more but you cannot have less. So….I now have an older gentleman at the dispensary who helps me every time I visit. And one more tip…get a very good vaping battery. Some are pretty shoddy. And remember that I mentioned problems. Here it is: the industry is growing so fast that you can often not find the same products every time you visit. So you are always experimenting. And one final note: two no-nos. Do not use medical marijuana other than a bit of vape on an empty tummy. And number 2….do not drive after medicating. Most of all, be kind to yourself.

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@gailb You keep saying you became hooked on Tramadol ,every person's body Chemistry is different I never did.Maybe my system doesn't have that addiction for drugs .When I fractured my back I was on Vicoden far years never became addicted as long as I followed Dr.order it's when you take more then Dr prescribes ,as,he told me likewise with Tramadol in beginning Dr had me on 6 a day but gradually Dr.started weaning me of cutting down 1at a time till I was on 3now I'm down to 1-2 depending on fibro pain I take 1Meloxicam with it Dr.ordered and besides exercise I'm fine So as long as you listen to Dr.on dosage you won't get addicted but as I said every body,s system is different Love Linda

@gailb

@knocerine03

Hi, I'm Gail, and I'm extending another welcome to Mayo Connect. I too am a Volunteer Mentor on the Connect site and as such am not a medical professional. I can only offer my support and my experience. I have used CBD, which is a derivative of Marijuana / Cannabis, without the "stoned"/high effect from the THC in marijuana. I used it to help me withdraw from Tramadol, 50 mg, which I had been taking for my back pain and surgery. I'm so sorry to hear of your pain and struggle to be whole again.

First, let me say that I was prescribed hydrocodone for my back and hip pain and took it for a couple of years. It never really helped my pain, but I felt high, so I didn't care as much. I had been having this hip pain off and on for about 20 years. Then a few years ago the pain was there every 3 months, progressing to daily about 5 years ago. Three years ago I was leaning forward to cut some roses, when I suddenly felt extreme fatigue in my right hip and leg. That became constant grinding pain that kept me from going up stairs and walking freely. I still didn't talk to the doctor about it. I finally was forced to see a doctor for my acute and suddenly debilitating pain that put me in a wheelchair 2 years ago. I had an MRI and found I out I had multiple problems, including that my L5-S1 was impinging on my spinal cord, and my L4 was herniated and had slipped onto my L5. I had spondylitis, stenosis, degenerative disk disease, a compound fracture of my C7, and radiculopathy. I had outpatient surgery called a laminectomy to remove part of my L5 disk to relieve the pressure on my lumbar spine December 22, 2016.

The relief of pain on my left side was immediate. I was so grateful for that. However, the pain on the right side from my L4 continued. I continued to take medication for the pain, but I had trouble walking and could hardly go up steps anyway. I was prescribed Tramadol, 50mg, 4 times a day. It is a synthetic opioid that really helped me with the pain. I took it 4 times a day. My surgeon said I would need major surgery to repair the L4, so he wanted me to try other ways to relieve the pain. I had 2 rounds of physical therapy, acupuncture, massage, and nothing helped. I explored stem cell therapy. Then I read about ART, Active Release Technique, on the Mayo Connect community. I decided to try it and within 3 weeks of treatment, my pain was almost completely gone. I was very happy. I go monthly now for a tweak.

I decided to stop my Tramadol, and used CBD during the time as I reduced one pill a day for 3 weeks, then another pill reduction for 4 weeks, then I stayed at 2 pills a day for another 4 weeks using the CBD to help me with the anxiety and brain fog I felt. It really helped me to be able to keep reducing my pills. I broke my last pills in half and continued to take half in the morning and half in the evening. I now only take half a pill when I have pain. I'm moving right now, so I've managed to hurt my back again unfortunately. I go for an ART treatment tomorrow.

It sounds as if your problems are worse than mine. I don't know if ART is appropriate for you. I recommend that you Google, Active Release Technique, and read about it. If you think it might help, then look for a practitioner in your area. Chiropractors are the ones who have gotten this training. Research who has the most training and certifications for different aspects of ART. Before deciding to do any treatment, show your MRI to the ART practitioner and be certain you talk with your doctor about what you're thinking about doing.

It is possible that CBD or THD/marijuana could help your pain level. Researchers have found that neither CBD nor THD are addictive. However, THC will make you feel high. Since we are all different, you may be able to function just fine with the high it produces, or you may not function well when you are high. I don't know if you will be helped by the marijuana, CBD, or ART, but I believe they are worth trying as long as your doctor agrees and it's legal in your state. I am including 3 links so you can learn more about the marijuana/CBD option. I'll post them separately. Please let us know how things are going for you. I'm hoping the best for you.

Gail
Volunteer Mentor

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@oregongirl If you read my experience with Tramadol ,you see I never had withdraw besides Tramodol Dr had me on Vicoden, Pecocet and some other narcotics but I was under Dr. care He took me of gradually to 1now I take at night along with Melatonin to sleep and I do all night.We are all different what is hard for one isn't for someone else Its mind over matter also believe me your mind controls how you feel about something.

@artscaping

@knocerine03 I am feeling connected to your journey as we have some similarities. And yes, after 13 othopedic/neurological surgeries and lots of opioids, and other debilitating and scary drugs like Ambien, I have now been on a program/protocol of medical marijuana for almost 3 years. Key to my ability to live reasonably well without opioids has been having good marijuana guides, a neurologist who accepts my choice and is a supportive partner. We work together to try to keep one step ahead of the progressive pain and debilitating issues of polyneuropathy, myofascial pain syndrome and SFN (small fiber neuropathy). The medical marijuana industry is a compassionate one. It also is having such phenomenal growth that problems are created because new products are being introduced every week. Let me explain. There are no RX's for MM (medical marijuana). You have to do some research and then find someone to help you through the maze of options and delivery systems. Be ready to experiment and evaluate . Start slowly and progress carefully. Choose products that fit your lifestyle: morning activity, afternoon rest, and pain free sleep. This may include, vaping cartridges with as pure an oil as you can find, topicals that tone down the needle like tingling, edibles that work well as long as you handle the dosage carefully. My daily routine begins with vaping and then moves to tinctures in my tea or coffee. The key here is what the ratio of THC to CBD works best for you. I use a 3:1 tincture, 3 parts CBD, 1 part THC. My topical is also 3:1 but this time it is 3 parts THC to one part CBD. I have not found any 100% CBD oil available everywhere and on line that works for me. It appears that you need some THC to potentiate the benefit of CBD. The other key issue is time. A vape will deliver help with your pain within a few minutes but only last15 or 20 minutes. A tincture can be subliminal or in a beverage and depending on the ratio may take longer to take effect but last several hours. For me, one dropper gives me an easy, comfortable morning. I may repeat this dosage in late afternoon or during the evening. Bedtime for me means some vaping, a tincture dropper and topicals on my hands/feet and bad myofascial knee. Edibles like infused cookies may take 45 minutes to take effect but last the entire afternoon. You must go slowly with edibles. Remember you can always have more but you cannot have less. So….I now have an older gentleman at the dispensary who helps me every time I visit. And one more tip…get a very good vaping battery. Some are pretty shoddy. And remember that I mentioned problems. Here it is: the industry is growing so fast that you can often not find the same products every time you visit. So you are always experimenting. And one final note: two no-nos. Do not use medical marijuana other than a bit of vape on an empty tummy. And number 2….do not drive after medicating. Most of all, be kind to yourself.

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@oregongirl Yes you can buy it online Search cannabis 'oil loads of sites come up Amazon even.

@artscaping

@knocerine03 I am feeling connected to your journey as we have some similarities. And yes, after 13 othopedic/neurological surgeries and lots of opioids, and other debilitating and scary drugs like Ambien, I have now been on a program/protocol of medical marijuana for almost 3 years. Key to my ability to live reasonably well without opioids has been having good marijuana guides, a neurologist who accepts my choice and is a supportive partner. We work together to try to keep one step ahead of the progressive pain and debilitating issues of polyneuropathy, myofascial pain syndrome and SFN (small fiber neuropathy). The medical marijuana industry is a compassionate one. It also is having such phenomenal growth that problems are created because new products are being introduced every week. Let me explain. There are no RX's for MM (medical marijuana). You have to do some research and then find someone to help you through the maze of options and delivery systems. Be ready to experiment and evaluate . Start slowly and progress carefully. Choose products that fit your lifestyle: morning activity, afternoon rest, and pain free sleep. This may include, vaping cartridges with as pure an oil as you can find, topicals that tone down the needle like tingling, edibles that work well as long as you handle the dosage carefully. My daily routine begins with vaping and then moves to tinctures in my tea or coffee. The key here is what the ratio of THC to CBD works best for you. I use a 3:1 tincture, 3 parts CBD, 1 part THC. My topical is also 3:1 but this time it is 3 parts THC to one part CBD. I have not found any 100% CBD oil available everywhere and on line that works for me. It appears that you need some THC to potentiate the benefit of CBD. The other key issue is time. A vape will deliver help with your pain within a few minutes but only last15 or 20 minutes. A tincture can be subliminal or in a beverage and depending on the ratio may take longer to take effect but last several hours. For me, one dropper gives me an easy, comfortable morning. I may repeat this dosage in late afternoon or during the evening. Bedtime for me means some vaping, a tincture dropper and topicals on my hands/feet and bad myofascial knee. Edibles like infused cookies may take 45 minutes to take effect but last the entire afternoon. You must go slowly with edibles. Remember you can always have more but you cannot have less. So….I now have an older gentleman at the dispensary who helps me every time I visit. And one more tip…get a very good vaping battery. Some are pretty shoddy. And remember that I mentioned problems. Here it is: the industry is growing so fast that you can often not find the same products every time you visit. So you are always experimenting. And one final note: two no-nos. Do not use medical marijuana other than a bit of vape on an empty tummy. And number 2….do not drive after medicating. Most of all, be kind to yourself.

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Just an FYI from my experience. I purchased some CBD oil without any THC (no legality issues), but have not found that it is helpful to me. THC is not a dirty word and is far less hazardous to one's health than opioids, but for me, the oil without any trace THC is not effective. Just be aware of what you are purchasing and don't spend a lot of money until you have tried anything to see if it works for you.

@gailb , Hi Gail, I can not get the first link to connect me to a page other than GoDaddy trying to sell me a domain by that name. Is there anything missing?
Thanks, Gary

@artscaping

@knocerine03 I am feeling connected to your journey as we have some similarities. And yes, after 13 othopedic/neurological surgeries and lots of opioids, and other debilitating and scary drugs like Ambien, I have now been on a program/protocol of medical marijuana for almost 3 years. Key to my ability to live reasonably well without opioids has been having good marijuana guides, a neurologist who accepts my choice and is a supportive partner. We work together to try to keep one step ahead of the progressive pain and debilitating issues of polyneuropathy, myofascial pain syndrome and SFN (small fiber neuropathy). The medical marijuana industry is a compassionate one. It also is having such phenomenal growth that problems are created because new products are being introduced every week. Let me explain. There are no RX's for MM (medical marijuana). You have to do some research and then find someone to help you through the maze of options and delivery systems. Be ready to experiment and evaluate . Start slowly and progress carefully. Choose products that fit your lifestyle: morning activity, afternoon rest, and pain free sleep. This may include, vaping cartridges with as pure an oil as you can find, topicals that tone down the needle like tingling, edibles that work well as long as you handle the dosage carefully. My daily routine begins with vaping and then moves to tinctures in my tea or coffee. The key here is what the ratio of THC to CBD works best for you. I use a 3:1 tincture, 3 parts CBD, 1 part THC. My topical is also 3:1 but this time it is 3 parts THC to one part CBD. I have not found any 100% CBD oil available everywhere and on line that works for me. It appears that you need some THC to potentiate the benefit of CBD. The other key issue is time. A vape will deliver help with your pain within a few minutes but only last15 or 20 minutes. A tincture can be subliminal or in a beverage and depending on the ratio may take longer to take effect but last several hours. For me, one dropper gives me an easy, comfortable morning. I may repeat this dosage in late afternoon or during the evening. Bedtime for me means some vaping, a tincture dropper and topicals on my hands/feet and bad myofascial knee. Edibles like infused cookies may take 45 minutes to take effect but last the entire afternoon. You must go slowly with edibles. Remember you can always have more but you cannot have less. So….I now have an older gentleman at the dispensary who helps me every time I visit. And one more tip…get a very good vaping battery. Some are pretty shoddy. And remember that I mentioned problems. Here it is: the industry is growing so fast that you can often not find the same products every time you visit. So you are always experimenting. And one final note: two no-nos. Do not use medical marijuana other than a bit of vape on an empty tummy. And number 2….do not drive after medicating. Most of all, be kind to yourself.

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Hi, I have a condition in my back from one fall. I have arachnoiditis. There is no cure. I have been on plenty of pain meds, but I found a very nice pain management doctor in Hilton Head, SC. I was smoking,pot for the relief with the hydrocodone. During my second,pee test, he asked me why I was smoking. I told him how the meds weren’t working and I elected to try pot. He then prescribed medical,marijuana. How much better I am with this drug. I recommend this for anyone who needs a supplement. South Carolina is a very closed state to anything and I am so very lucky to have found,him.

@artscaping

@knocerine03 I am feeling connected to your journey as we have some similarities. And yes, after 13 othopedic/neurological surgeries and lots of opioids, and other debilitating and scary drugs like Ambien, I have now been on a program/protocol of medical marijuana for almost 3 years. Key to my ability to live reasonably well without opioids has been having good marijuana guides, a neurologist who accepts my choice and is a supportive partner. We work together to try to keep one step ahead of the progressive pain and debilitating issues of polyneuropathy, myofascial pain syndrome and SFN (small fiber neuropathy). The medical marijuana industry is a compassionate one. It also is having such phenomenal growth that problems are created because new products are being introduced every week. Let me explain. There are no RX's for MM (medical marijuana). You have to do some research and then find someone to help you through the maze of options and delivery systems. Be ready to experiment and evaluate . Start slowly and progress carefully. Choose products that fit your lifestyle: morning activity, afternoon rest, and pain free sleep. This may include, vaping cartridges with as pure an oil as you can find, topicals that tone down the needle like tingling, edibles that work well as long as you handle the dosage carefully. My daily routine begins with vaping and then moves to tinctures in my tea or coffee. The key here is what the ratio of THC to CBD works best for you. I use a 3:1 tincture, 3 parts CBD, 1 part THC. My topical is also 3:1 but this time it is 3 parts THC to one part CBD. I have not found any 100% CBD oil available everywhere and on line that works for me. It appears that you need some THC to potentiate the benefit of CBD. The other key issue is time. A vape will deliver help with your pain within a few minutes but only last15 or 20 minutes. A tincture can be subliminal or in a beverage and depending on the ratio may take longer to take effect but last several hours. For me, one dropper gives me an easy, comfortable morning. I may repeat this dosage in late afternoon or during the evening. Bedtime for me means some vaping, a tincture dropper and topicals on my hands/feet and bad myofascial knee. Edibles like infused cookies may take 45 minutes to take effect but last the entire afternoon. You must go slowly with edibles. Remember you can always have more but you cannot have less. So….I now have an older gentleman at the dispensary who helps me every time I visit. And one more tip…get a very good vaping battery. Some are pretty shoddy. And remember that I mentioned problems. Here it is: the industry is growing so fast that you can often not find the same products every time you visit. So you are always experimenting. And one final note: two no-nos. Do not use medical marijuana other than a bit of vape on an empty tummy. And number 2….do not drive after medicating. Most of all, be kind to yourself.

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Marijuana has seeds! Funny story, not funny at the time. My youngest son, the naughty one, had a tiny leak in his bedroom radiator and marijuana seeds he dumped from his jeans pocket so Mom wouldn't find them in the wash. I went into his room and found tiny plants sprouting in the carpeting. Apparently it'll grow anywhere.

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