Guidance to help with ADT decision.

Posted by siems1111 @siems1111, Jan 21 11:41am

My dad is looking to me to help him understand treatment risks/tradeoffs.

After reading posts, blogs, and studies, I am now looking for advice on treatment decisions for my dad who was recently diagnosed with unfavorable intermediate-risk prostate cancer. A few case details

1) Age 76

2) PSA: 8

3) Gleason 7 (4+3) (multiple cores taken, 3 were 4+3 and 2 were 3+3)

4) Decipher risk: 0.89

5) PSMA PET: 2 indeterminate pelvic lymph nodes (MRI said lymph nodes were clear). Tumor board said need to treat nodes as positive given Decipher and PET uptake (no SUV values in report)

6) Current health issues: arthritis, high blood pressure, severe sleep apnea, osteopenia, overweight (on glp1).

7) Patient preference: preserve quality of life (while effectively treating the cancer)

*Artera and Tempus XT testing pending

Oncology recommendation: Daily IMRT for 9 weeks to prostate and nearby nodes. Combine with short or long course ADT (Orgovyx was reco’d in the event he does not tolerate). Goal would be ADT for a min of 6 months. He has already said he won’t long course bc of side effects.

From what I’ve read: short course ADT reduces prostate cancer specific mortality by roughly 16% over 15 years, but these benefits seem to pay out late (7-15years post dx). The absolute overall survival benefit is smaller for older men (5-7%) because many men my dad‘s age and status die of other causes before late prostate cancer deaths occur.

I’ve tried to set up the key decision for him as:

Do you want to accept a higher risk of death from prostate cancer death in exchange for your current quality of life today? OR

Do you want to accept a (possibly reversible) quality of life reduction now to potentially reduce your future risk of dying from prostate cancer in 7-15 years.

Am I thinking of this correctly? Thanks to ALL who have helped me think thru this!

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Prostate Cancer Support Group.

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Not to discourage you from ADT in any way but it's not like other medications in that "six months" doesn't mean six months--it means at least a year because testosterone doesn't return immediately after stopping. I finished six months of Orgovyx in October 2024 and my testosterone FINALLY crossed into low normal (320) in December 2025, about half of what it was pre-treatment. FWIW, my doctor told me my case is an outlier and that most men under 65 recover from Orgovyx in 6-8 months.

However, I did go into the 200 range after about six months which was enough to alleviate some of the worst symptoms, and all my symptoms have since resolved except that it did give me osteoporosis and I'm now trying to decide whether the side effects of a bone infusion drug are worth it for 10% less fracture chance.

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Just so you have an idea about Testosterone recovery with Orgovyx.

In the HERO study, relugolix demonstrated sustained testosterone suppression superior to that of leuprolide acetate (97% vs 89%; difference 7.9% [95% confidence interval, 4.1–12%; p < 0.001]).

Men (N = 934) were randomized (2:1) to receive relugolix 120 mg orally daily or leuprolide acetate injections every 12 wk for 48 wk.

Overall, 74 of the 137 men in the relugolix cohort recovered to testosterone >280 ng/dl, with a median time to recovery of 86.0 d (95% CI, 65.0–92.0), versus two of the 47 men in the leuprolide cohort, with a median time to recovery of 112.0 d
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2588931123002900

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