New to exocrine pancreatic insufficiency (EPI): What helps?

Posted by jewill @jewill, Dec 6, 2016

I was dignosed with e p i. Exocrine pancreatic insuffency in 2015 after having a severe reaction to premarin estergen cream then 2 weeks later i had an even more sever reaction to an infusion of reclast it is a biphosphonates l am severly allergic to phosphates, dr did not check for that. i had diarrhea lost 20 lbs destroyed 90 % of my pancreas dr gave me creon 3600 2 with each meal low fat diet that is all the information i got from him did research on web for diet and supplments .need a dr in austin tx that knows more about e p i would apprecate any info on this thank you jewill

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Grannydee, thanks so much for your encouragement. I had never heard of EPI before my diagnosis and have been frustrated by conflicting info on line. Will keep trying!

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Profile picture for sunlover @sunlover

I'm an active grandma who was diagnosed with EPI in May 2023. GI doctor was vague about diet and I'm looking for any help. His advice was low fat (how low?), bland (how boring?), low fiber (what a change for me) and I'm trying but need something more specific. I've read and printed lists of food to avoid which MIGHT be helpful, pretty much everything! Nutritionist is not covered by insurance but I will pay the $50 a virtual session for a few visits if they can help - when I can get an appointment. So very thankful that Creon is covered! I think it is helping and now big problem is terrible gas. Diarrhea is much better but the gas! I understand keeping weight on is important and that seems difficult with low fat. I'd appreciate any suggestions and must say that life is still good, just frustrating.

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Hi, I’m a granny too🫶🏽
So happy you are on here!
First of all, have you joined (free) the National Pancreatic Foundation???
They have a lot of references and help!!!
Also, as a fellow Medicare
senior, most will cover several visits with a RD (registered dietitian)
They are well worth the cost!!! Each of us with EPI have different needs with a diet because it’s going to depend a lot on what you can consume with the least irritations and symptoms! Even though we take the enzymes we all react according to our specific bodies. I hope this helps you and please be encouraged! I enjoy my life SO very much! We can thrive, it just takes patience and understanding what to try to avoid and what works and keeps you happiest!
Best of hope and progress!

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I'm an active grandma who was diagnosed with EPI in May 2023. GI doctor was vague about diet and I'm looking for any help. His advice was low fat (how low?), bland (how boring?), low fiber (what a change for me) and I'm trying but need something more specific. I've read and printed lists of food to avoid which MIGHT be helpful, pretty much everything! Nutritionist is not covered by insurance but I will pay the $50 a virtual session for a few visits if they can help - when I can get an appointment. So very thankful that Creon is covered! I think it is helping and now big problem is terrible gas. Diarrhea is much better but the gas! I understand keeping weight on is important and that seems difficult with low fat. I'd appreciate any suggestions and must say that life is still good, just frustrating.

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Profile picture for susanh824 @susanh824

While diarrhea is more common with EPI, there are people like me who experience constipation instead.

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I have to take medications to help with constipation like Amitiza and domperidone.

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Profile picture for irr4et @irr4et

I’m on Pertze and doing well except I have to wk g hard to keep on wt, partly bc my family are all sort of thin. Constipation is my big issue. Does that go along with EPi?

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While diarrhea is more common with EPI, there are people like me who experience constipation instead.

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Profile picture for stageivsurvivor @stageivsurvivor

After I was prescribed Creon at a starting dose of 24,000 lipase units, I optimized the amount I needed for a specific meal by keeping a daily food journal. The starting dose was calculated using the formula provided by the manufacturer which is based on the patient following the recommended diet predominantly non-fat and low fat. Although the dosing calculator Abbvie has saying for my body mass (120-130 lbs), I should take one 36,000 capsule, the 24,000 capsule has been satisfactory for most meals as I stick to non-fat and low fat fairly consistently.

By keeping a daily food journal noting day/time, type of meal, quantity and fat content and then noting the GI symptoms and stool characteristics 24-40 hours later (the time it takes for food to be digested and excreted by an adult), I quickly identified what meals (fat content, portion size) required more pancrealipase. It did take long to optimize as I kept to a consistent diet the first month. Slowly I began increasing the quantity of type of foods which included some additional fat. Already having a good idea of what was working, it became easy to extrapolate when to add more pancrealipase capsules to keep the GI tract functioning normally.

An oily sheen and stickiness of the stool is likely caused by undigested fats indicating more enzyme is likely required. When taking capsules, I take my first capsule immediately Before or after the first bite and then stagger taking additional capsules throughout the meal. This keeps a consistent level of enzymes in the intestine available to digest the target substrate (carbohydrates, fats, proteins). By staggering, it more closely resembles how a fully-functioning pancreas works which produces and secretes enzymes in response to food entering the intestine and sending a signal to the pancreas by way of releasing a hormone that binds to receptors in the pancreas that more enzymes are needed.

If optimizing by increasing the number of capsules to the maximum suggested by the dietitian is not achieved, the manufacturers and dietitians suggest trying a different Rx brand. Although all the Rx brands are derived from porcine pancreas, they differ in performance within and between individuals as a result of how the enzymes are extracted, processed, purified, concentrated, the time-release coating used and binders and fillers added. For these reasons, one should evaluate different brands if the first one does not perform optimally. I also stick to recommendations of PanCan.org and dietitians of avoiding fats, red meat in moderation and the vegetables that are hard to digest.
https://letswinpc.org/managing-pancreatic-cancer/2019/10/09/pancreatic-enzymes-explained/
https://flatulencecures.com/vegetables-that-cause-gas/
http://media.pancan.org/pdf/patient-services/booklets/Diet-Nutrition-Booklet-Digital.pdf

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Thank you for sharing this information it's very helpful

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Is the C for constipation? If yes my gi said that goes along with EPI. I have awful problem with C but it may be due to some food poisoning I had in mid 90’s - damage to wall of colon which could’ve caused scarring. All these Yrs I’ve not know why I have this stubborn C until my gi told me it is prob related to the food poisoning. The chronic C has caused SIBO which is addl set of problems. And I have had Fibromyalgia 23 Yrs. Pretty miserable life.
Can u eat Walnut Butter and rotate it with Pecan Butter? They are high in calories. You will need to take two or three Pertze’s plus one or two HCL capsules for sure so u can absorb the carbs, fats and protein in those butters.

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Profile picture for irr4et @irr4et

I’m on Pertze and doing well except I have to wk g hard to keep on wt, partly bc my family are all sort of thin. Constipation is my big issue. Does that go along with EPi?

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I have IBS C and now ÉPI which has led to lose of weight. Can’t keep weight on - any suggestions? Low fat just leads to more weight lose.

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Profile picture for 7judy2 @7judy2

Thank you for posting this information. I will try especially staggering during a meal.

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I’m on Pertze and doing well except I have to wk g hard to keep on wt, partly bc my family are all sort of thin. Constipation is my big issue. Does that go along with EPi?

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Profile picture for stageivsurvivor @stageivsurvivor

As @johnbishop mentions in his reply of a detailed response I made recently, I had the experience of EPI and approached my situation in a methodical manner. It was basically keeping a daily journal and fine-tuning my diet at first. The game changer was when I realized I was experiencing EPI and was prescribed a pancrealipase. I was able to optimize the dosage fairly quickly from having recorded observations on what worked for me before medication. I do know of patients having both EPI and another co-morbidity...lactose intolerance, celiac disease or IBS. Through a combination of maintaining a diet of food item that worked and using a pancrealipase in a dosage appropriate for the meal type, they got their GI system back to an acceptable level. When I got my EPI addressed, my quality of live improved significantly. I went from nearly daily bowel issues to normalcy in a very short period of time.

A "go to" person for me was the Registered Dietitian. look for one having the designation CSO (Certification Specialist Oncology). Whether you had a GI cancer or not, the R.D.-CSO has advanced academic training and practical experience in working with GI patients having complex issues. Another good source of information was in calling the Patient Assistance department of the manufacturers of the different pancrealipase products. They are staffed by RN's and RD's and have a lot of knowledge.

The Pancreatic Cancer Action Network has a very informative booklet titled Diet and Nutrition at this link
http://media.pancan.org/pdf/patient-services/booklets/Diet-Nutrition-Booklet-Digital.pdf
Their contact info is 877.272.6226, M-F, 7;000am-5:00pm PT and e-mail: info@pancan.org

The National Pancreas Foundation has a cookbook for free download. It may have suggestions that will work for both EPI and IBS. Their website has contact info and there might be someone to give suggestions on diet and nutrition with the co-morbidities you have. Call 1-866-726-2737 or e-mail
info@pancreasfoundation.org

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This is excellent information! I have some some homework in a positive direction now. Thanks so very much in taking the time to respond. I too am a cancer survivor and like you, I helped start a church/community outreach for cancer patients and their caretakers. Who better than us, should encourage and support others?
Grateful, Jackie

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