Echolight sonogram scan for bones

Posted by csday @csday, Jan 8, 2022

Has anyone heard of, or had an Echolight sonogram scan instead of a radiation DEXA scan? New FDA approved that has been used in Europe for awhile. https://www.echolightmedical.com/en/company/

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Has anyone had experience with a new product called osteo boost? A non drug therapy for osteoporosis. Approved by the FDA and supposedly under review for Medicare coverage. I googled this and was impressed with the double blind study and professional review.

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@liz03 , the Osteoboost device has just started shipping. I pre-ordered one last Fall and received mine several weeks ago. I’ve been using it 30 mins daily per instructions. Pretty easy to use.

I have a Dexa in December and we’ll see how I do. But I’m also doing a lot of other things to boost my bone health. Taking strength class based on LIFTMOR protocol. Started HRT. Taking D, K2, Magnesium, Calcium, and collagen with Fortibone. Praying for improvement in my bone density!! But it will be hard to know which thing(s) have the most impact if I see improvements.

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There’s a thread today
“ Osteoporosis without drugs “. The Onero program by Dr Belinda Beck at the Bone Clinic in Australia.

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I am researching the Onero Program and have contacted them with no answer to my question. Were any of the people in the clinal study on Osteoporosis Drugs. I cannot find that information anywhere.

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Thank you so much for your feedback! I wonder what type of machine they are using????? Maybe they have some knock off. People who have gotten Echolights seem to be in the same ball park as Dexa. Your results are just crazy!!

Did you inform them of the discrepancy?

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@katgirl - "True Bone Density" held the REMS event (using Echolight EchoS equipment and their supposedly trained technician) at Osteostrong in Eden Prairie MN. They provided an FAQ that stated no refunds and that results vs. Dexa may vary significantly (which they sure did!). So no, I did not contact either True Bone Density or Osteostrong afterward. But maybe I will. Some of the advantages of REMS are the portability of the equipment (can be brought to various sites) and that the results don't vary as much as Dexascan (which can vary based on the device calibration and which tech did the scan) - so I thought it would be a fairly accurate REMS test regardless of where it was done. But my experience with REMS was that the result (a green light for fragility and NO Osteoporosis) was patently unbelievable: how could a person who has had a dozen bone fractures (granted, never my spine or hip), had Osteoporosis for 15 years (dx at 48), and has a current Dexa T-score of -4.3 (L1-L4)... not even have Osteoporosis? Not credible.

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@mnpine0000 thanks for sharing your experience! I too had a REMS scan through Osteostrong in Edina earlier this year. There were definitely differences from my Dexa scan, but not as significant as yours. As I have learned more through this site and research, I will really question the accuracy of DEXA. It would be really interesting to have someone knowledgeable in REMS reviews your results against the DEXA! I guess these are both just tools to help identify an issue but we can’t totally rely on the accuracy of the detail.

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I was going to come on here and ask about Osteostrong, but sounds like I got the answer I expected. If it sounds too good to be true, then it is. I have never heard of REMS (clearly I have much to learn) but I want to ask my doctor about it. I just wish there was something that helped besides meds.

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@loh Look up the LiftMor trials by Dr Belinda Beck. It showed that doing high intensity resistance training increased bone mineral density. Of course not everyone can do them; even in the study, they had to reject people because they didn’t meet the criteria. But it shows that increasing BMD CAN BE DONE WITHOUT MEDICATION!
There are many podcasts on YouTube that do a similar type of workout without the barbells which were used in the trial. Look up Brick House Bones by Lisa Moore.

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@katgirl - "True Bone Density" held the REMS event (using Echolight EchoS equipment and their supposedly trained technician) at Osteostrong in Eden Prairie MN. They provided an FAQ that stated no refunds and that results vs. Dexa may vary significantly (which they sure did!). So no, I did not contact either True Bone Density or Osteostrong afterward. But maybe I will. Some of the advantages of REMS are the portability of the equipment (can be brought to various sites) and that the results don't vary as much as Dexascan (which can vary based on the device calibration and which tech did the scan) - so I thought it would be a fairly accurate REMS test regardless of where it was done. But my experience with REMS was that the result (a green light for fragility and NO Osteoporosis) was patently unbelievable: how could a person who has had a dozen bone fractures (granted, never my spine or hip), had Osteoporosis for 15 years (dx at 48), and has a current Dexa T-score of -4.3 (L1-L4)... not even have Osteoporosis? Not credible.

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@mnpine0000
I too had a REMS scan that was SIGNIFICANTLY different from my Dexa scan; -3.1 vs a T-score of 0.3 at the same hospital facility where the test was done the preceding 4 years but now with TBS. I suspect the accuracy of the REMS possibly due to the training the technician might have had. She didn't inspire much confidence and I suspect the techs at the hospital undergo more rigorous training. I see my endocrinologist this coming Thursday and plan to take it up with her.

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