Early Symptoms ALS or what is this ... ?

Posted by dashboardben @dashboardben, 4 days ago

Hi all,

So, a bit worried, what does it mean when there's been an almost constant interval (about once-an-hour) fasciculation or a "tremor" like twitch between biceps brachii and brachialis muscles. Lasts for a few seconds. About two since days now.

And only there in the biceps. A very slight bit of numb-ish feeling, the kind that we normally get when we say "my hand/ leg has gone to sleep".

Writing from one of the European social healthcare countries where all appointments are a month later, and remedies always begin with a Tylenol. So, any hints on what to expect would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, these tests like Electromyography, how early can these kinds of diseases be detected?

Can somebody give me an indication whether to think this could be ALS? Or something else?

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@dashboardben
You may want to get checked by a neurologist for a pinched nerve in your neck causing radiculopathy down your arm. You could also see an orthopedic spine specialist since this could be a structural/mechanical issue and not necessarily a nervous system disease.

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@dlydailyhope

@dashboardben
You may want to get checked by a neurologist for a pinched nerve in your neck causing radiculopathy down your arm. You could also see an orthopedic spine specialist since this could be a structural/mechanical issue and not necessarily a nervous system disease.

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@dlydailyhope Thank you! I will do that. I also read that stress, dehydration can cause this. Today was a busy day, and I did not at least feel the tremors until I got back home. And that too for a few seconds. Does that indicate something in the direction of radiculopathy?

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@dashboardben

@dlydailyhope Thank you! I will do that. I also read that stress, dehydration can cause this. Today was a busy day, and I did not at least feel the tremors until I got back home. And that too for a few seconds. Does that indicate something in the direction of radiculopathy?

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@dashboardben
Cervical radiculopathy can feel like pain, numbness, weakness and pins/needles/tingling. It could cause muscle spasms/tremors due to communication breakdowns between brain/body and body/brain.

1.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22639-cervical-radiculopathy-pinched-nerve
2.
https://www.spine-health.com/conditions/neck-pain/cervical-radiculopathy-symptoms
3.
https://www.boneandjoint.org/patient-education/cervical-radiculopathy-cervical-nerve-compression/

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@dlydailyhope

@dashboardben
Cervical radiculopathy can feel like pain, numbness, weakness and pins/needles/tingling. It could cause muscle spasms/tremors due to communication breakdowns between brain/body and body/brain.

1.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22639-cervical-radiculopathy-pinched-nerve
2.
https://www.spine-health.com/conditions/neck-pain/cervical-radiculopathy-symptoms
3.
https://www.boneandjoint.org/patient-education/cervical-radiculopathy-cervical-nerve-compression/

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@dlydailyhope Thanks a lot.

I'll check that out.

BTW, is there any information on how the "feel" of the ALS related fasciculation feel different compared to radiculopathy, or BFS? As much as I can read, it says ALS would be in all areas, and *follows* muscle weakness, i.e. that it does not start with twitches and then muscle weakness etc.

Is there any confirmed information source on this? Honestly, I am a bit concerned.

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@dashboarden
I definitely think your doctors need to rule out everything else before landing on ALS. It is important to look at symptoms and diagnoses that mimic ALS.

I thought I might have ALS and my neurologist ruled out MS. I had a lot of autoimmune and neurological blood work to check for deficiencies and toxicities plus autoantibodies.

Take a look at the links below. I needed to work through 8 years of diagnoses to get to iron deficiency, Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, cervical degenerative myelopathy and radiculopathy plus lumbar spinal stenosis/disc degenerative disease and neurogenic claudication which was behind my long list of symptoms.

1.
https://www.healthline.com/health/diseases-that-mimic-als
2.
https://www.als.net/news/als-mimics/
3.
https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.90.15_supplement.P4.465
4.
https://scarysymptoms.com/2017/09/22-diseases-mimic-als-symptoms-can-lead-misdiagnosis/

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@dashboardben
See response above. My @address got shortened.

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@dlydailyhope

@dashboardben
See response above. My @address got shortened.

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Hi @dlydailyhope

Many thanks, I would need to book an appointment with the doctor.

At least reading through Cervical radiculopathy, I don't seem to have much in that sense, e.g. (sensory), there is no numbness or reduced sensation in the skin, no motor weakness, no reflect losses. Doctors appointments here ... just a GP, no idea even how long it takes. Emergency medicine (A&E) can land one with a 7-hour wait!

What I have is twitching ... just the muscle twitching in the biceps – I wanted to really rule out the worst ALS.

Wondering: In ALS cases, let's say absolute initial, is the twitching throughout the day? Or sometimes only?

Is there an idea of "micro-twitching"? E.g. I can sometimes see visible movement in the bicep, other times, I feel a "tremor". Again, not through the whole day, like today, nothing until 18.00 ... the whole day, I went about my work – nothing.

Can it start with just one muscle only?

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@dashboardben

Hi @dlydailyhope

Many thanks, I would need to book an appointment with the doctor.

At least reading through Cervical radiculopathy, I don't seem to have much in that sense, e.g. (sensory), there is no numbness or reduced sensation in the skin, no motor weakness, no reflect losses. Doctors appointments here ... just a GP, no idea even how long it takes. Emergency medicine (A&E) can land one with a 7-hour wait!

What I have is twitching ... just the muscle twitching in the biceps – I wanted to really rule out the worst ALS.

Wondering: In ALS cases, let's say absolute initial, is the twitching throughout the day? Or sometimes only?

Is there an idea of "micro-twitching"? E.g. I can sometimes see visible movement in the bicep, other times, I feel a "tremor". Again, not through the whole day, like today, nothing until 18.00 ... the whole day, I went about my work – nothing.

Can it start with just one muscle only?

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@dashboardben

A pinched spinal nerve in your cervical spine can cause muscle cramping and twitches. Read the information here.
https://www.medicinenet.com/when_should_i_worry_about_muscle_twitching/article.htm

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@dlydailyhope

@dashboardben

A pinched spinal nerve in your cervical spine can cause muscle cramping and twitches. Read the information here.
https://www.medicinenet.com/when_should_i_worry_about_muscle_twitching/article.htm

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@dashboardben

You may want to have a neurologist do EMG/nerve conduction studies to see how your upper limbs receive signals from your brain/central nervous system to move your muscles in your arms.

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@dlydailyhope

@dashboardben

You may want to have a neurologist do EMG/nerve conduction studies to see how your upper limbs receive signals from your brain/central nervous system to move your muscles in your arms.

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@dlydailyhope thanks a lot, I have to try that out in the near future. As I had mentioned, I am based in one of those hyper socialist incompetent medical systems where the first route (exaggerated) is always "take an NASID or acetaminophen (Tylenol)" x 3 months!

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