"Dents" in leg muscles

Posted by rubie @rubie, Jul 17, 2019

Developing dents in muscles of lower right leg – when I rub my leg, feel like a there's a hole in muscle and it is actually visible – saw reflection in store window. . . Surprised me for sure! I very frequently have terrible cramps/burning/stinging/"electric" pains in my legs and feet. Wondering if my muscles are sort of disintegrating. Anyone else know what I am talking about?

@cladinviolet

Tomorrow actually.

Although I'm almost tempted for a hospital vist.

So it is concerning for a leg that was just fine days ago eh?

what is PT? is it scary?

and sure. unlike most people who come to health forums I always update.

thank you.

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Unless you are in serious pain, or unable to use that leg, I think that an ER visit would not gain much – just a suggestion to visit your doc tomorrow. Weekends, especially in summer, ERs tend to be filled with trauma and accident victims in most places…
PT is Physical Therapy in the US, or physiotherapy in most of the rest of the English-speaking world. It is an evaluation of your need for stretching, exercise or hands-on therapy by a specially trained therapist. Unless something is broken or torn, this is most likely what the doc will suggest.
In my experience, you will be given series of exercises and stretches to do at home, with periodic returns to PT to check your progress and add more as you progress. It is VERY important to do the work at home – as instructed and as often as recommended – without pushing too fast and causing more issues.
Good luck tomorrow
Sue

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@johnbishop

@cladinviolet, PT is physical therapy. I think it can be very helpful in many situations. I did find some information that sounds kind of like what you described for symptoms.

Hypertonic IT Band creates indentation in the lateral thigh was listed under the IT Band Massage : OBSERVATION on the Massage Therapy Reference website for IT Band Massage – https://www.massagetherapyreference.com/it-band-massage/.

I think you have a lot of members wanting to know what you learn from your appointment.

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Fascinating.

Thank you.

I'll definitely go tomorrow and report what the doctor diagnosis with.

it's so weird. it looks physically sunken in yet I feel no pain.

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@avmcbellar

@cladinviolet you should be seen by a physician to be certain it is not a serious condition. It will be a relief for you if your are worried. Let me say I also have muscle weakness and neuropathy. Prior I was very active. I spent many hours at a time in the gym. I believe what you are describing is the relationship between the muscles and nerves. Neuropathy involves nerve damage. With the improper nerve signals, the muscles will not move correctly and therefore cause the sagging of the skin. Can you pump up your muscles or have sore muscles after a workout or exercise? The degree of neuropathy can cause imbalance issues. We simply no longer have the nerves for our brain to sense our location and surroundings to make use of our muscles for proper balance. Without our sensors our bodies are incapable of normal activities so we do the best we can. Physical therapy is an option which worked well for me. It was not a cure. To see what is best for you give it a try. Everyone is different. It would require patients as the exercises would have to be done many times before seeing any benefits. Having been active before should make it easier on you. Do you know the cause of your condition? The condition can become worse if the cause is not stopped, i.e. the nerves will continue to get damaged. You will become more comfortable with the more knowledge you gain so be ready to ask your physician for information. Wish you well.

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hi.

my condition is currently unknown.

but to be fair the area it's at did hurt tremendously after I did aerobics incorrectly one day and the muscle way up the outer thigh below the hip just deflated.

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@sueinmn

Unless you are in serious pain, or unable to use that leg, I think that an ER visit would not gain much – just a suggestion to visit your doc tomorrow. Weekends, especially in summer, ERs tend to be filled with trauma and accident victims in most places…
PT is Physical Therapy in the US, or physiotherapy in most of the rest of the English-speaking world. It is an evaluation of your need for stretching, exercise or hands-on therapy by a specially trained therapist. Unless something is broken or torn, this is most likely what the doc will suggest.
In my experience, you will be given series of exercises and stretches to do at home, with periodic returns to PT to check your progress and add more as you progress. It is VERY important to do the work at home – as instructed and as often as recommended – without pushing too fast and causing more issues.
Good luck tomorrow
Sue

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So ER only when things truly get extreme then? I can walk just fine but am unable to hold heavy items.

wasn't aware Summer ERs have more trauma patients. interesting.

does physical therapy really work?

I also wanted to ask anyone here if it could be a sign of neurodegenerative disease. that's my main fear.

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@cladinviolet

So ER only when things truly get extreme then? I can walk just fine but am unable to hold heavy items.

wasn't aware Summer ERs have more trauma patients. interesting.

does physical therapy really work?

I also wanted to ask anyone here if it could be a sign of neurodegenerative disease. that's my main fear.

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I think you should relax and wait to hear what the doctor finds – the sound/feeling during your cardio is more indicative of an injury than a disease.

Yes, indeed PT works – if you work – it is a matter of training and strengthening according to what is going on in your body. But, the therapist sees you once or twice a week, for a few weeks. On the no-appointment days, you need to keep up the protocol they give you to get results. Just like cardio or strength training, or practicing your gaming.
Sue

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Wondering what this may be? I often get leg indentations on each lower leg and sometimes on both at the same time, in the shin area. I have tried searching online and can't seem to find anything that is similar.

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@cm2008

Wondering what this may be? I often get leg indentations on each lower leg and sometimes on both at the same time, in the shin area. I have tried searching online and can't seem to find anything that is similar.

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Hi @cm2008, welcome. You'll notice that I moved your message to an existing discussion on the topic of leg indentations. I did this so you can connect with members like @johnbishop @sueinmn @trellg132 @johnhans and @cladinviolet.

cm2008, do these indentations just appear or does the skin not bounce back after depressing it with your finger? Are your lower legs swollen? Do you have any other symptoms? How active are you? So many questions…

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@cm2008

Wondering what this may be? I often get leg indentations on each lower leg and sometimes on both at the same time, in the shin area. I have tried searching online and can't seem to find anything that is similar.

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Hello @cm2008, I would like to add my welcome to Connect along with @colleenyoung and others. I have had the small indentations in the past similar to yours. Mine just appeared and wasn't when I pressed on the skin. My doctor did think it was related to edema at the time but didn't think it was anything to worry about.

A few years after I noticed the dents in my legs that would occasionally show up, I went to the doctor for swelling in my ankles and legs (mostly my right leg). I was referred to a cardiologist and after some tests was diagnosed with lymphedema and now wear compression socks daily for treatment.

Have you discussed the dents with your doctor?

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hi mayo clinic family.

just an update for my situation.

diagnosis from primary care physician is something called Bursitis. likely due to injury.

I have my reservations about my doctor's 1st opinion but we'll see. I can't recall getting injured yet but it doesn't hurt just odd it's the hip area.

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@colleenyoung

Hi @cm2008, welcome. You'll notice that I moved your message to an existing discussion on the topic of leg indentations. I did this so you can connect with members like @johnbishop @sueinmn @trellg132 @johnhans and @cladinviolet.

cm2008, do these indentations just appear or does the skin not bounce back after depressing it with your finger? Are your lower legs swollen? Do you have any other symptoms? How active are you? So many questions…

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Hi @colleenyoung , thank you!
The indentations occur out of nowhere, they do bounce back however they are indented without me touching the area. They come and go and are quite deep I would say. Leg and feet are not swollen. No other symptoms. I am active and ride bike almost daily.

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@cladinviolet

hi mayo clinic family.

just an update for my situation.

diagnosis from primary care physician is something called Bursitis. likely due to injury.

I have my reservations about my doctor's 1st opinion but we'll see. I can't recall getting injured yet but it doesn't hurt just odd it's the hip area.

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Hmm, curious. The main symptom of bursitis is pain. You say you cannot recall an injury, but a few days ago you did report pain from a workout – did you tell that to the doc? It would qualify as an injury. But at least he doesn't seem worried about a serious disease or condition.
Also, having a muscle look "flabby" when lying down is pretty normal – that is its relaxed state, and not an indication of a problem.
What did the doctor recommend? The usual treatment for bursitis is range of motion exercises coupled with low-impact aerobic exercise such as walking, biking or swimming to improve strength. Any weight training for that leg should be limited to moderate weights and reps. If doing these consistently (ie 5-7 times a week) for a few weeks doesn't help, it would be time for more exploration. Also, if the leg gets so weak it begins to buckle or not support your weight, see the doc.
Let us know how you're doing in a week or two.
Sue

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@johnbishop

Hello @rubie, Welcome to Connect. I have dent's in my right calf muscle frequently but don't have pain with it. For me, I think it's related to my lymphedema. Here are a couple of possible explanations.

How to identify pitting edema
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321773.php

Twitching Muscles, DENTS, Calf Cramps: Facing the Terror
https://scarysymptoms.com/2015/04/twitching-muscles-calf-cramps-dents/

Have you discussed the dents with your doctor? Hopefully some other members will be able to share their experience also.

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I have the fibromyalgia piece – no dents, but pain. I do leg edema massage (you tube) from toes to torso, elevation, heel to toe "pumping", clamshell stretches, hamstring stretches and cat/child/cobra yoga moves before bed. Heat/Ice.

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