Diagnosed with DCIS: How do I decide on treatment?

Posted by tctredwell1 @tctredwell1, Aug 23, 2022

I was diagnosed with DCIS. I have to go in for a breast MRI with contrast tomorrow to see how active the cancer is. If it’s contained and not very active, do I have to have a lumpectomy?

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@kathyomaha55

I assume she meant whether to take an Aromatase Inhibitor or not. If you are ER+ and/or PR+ then this drug suppresses all hormones in your body, which were feeding your cancer. 40% of people have negative side effects from taking this pill. I have about 13 months left to take mine to hit my 5 year mark. My doctor talked about taking it for 10 years - but I discussed it at length with her and we decided I could stop at 5 years. I was on anastrozole for 12 months and suffered terrible joint pain - especially in my hands. I switched to Exemestane, which for me, has had less side effects. If you are pre-menopausal - they usually prescribe tamafoxin. Get all the information you need to make an informed decision on this. Good luck.

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Thank you so much for all this info and sharing your personal experience - I really appreciate it. Take care.

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@finallyretired

Hello all. I just had a partial mastectomy three weeks ago for stage 0 DCIS. I've been to the oncologist (yesterday) and have an appointment with the radiologist mid September. I've been researching the two treatments that are available and I'm leaning towards no treatment. I'm 72 years old and it seems like both treatments are fairly extreme and I'm wondering if my quality of life is more important than taking either of these treatments. I would love feedback as I feel like I really have no one to help me make this decision.

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@auntieoakley I just read you last comment and it sounds like you and I are in the same sail boat. You are going through exactly what I'm going through. Let's stay in touch as I am interested in what you decide on this journey that we all find ourselves in.

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@finallyretired

Hello @tctredwell1. Thank you so much for your quick response. I'm sorry you are not doing so great today. With hope tomorrow will be better. For sure let me know what the results are from your doctor. I'm so confused and frustrated with everything so I understand how you're feeling, or as much as I can. I'm still just trying to make my way through the pill treatment. I don't want to take it however I'm afraid not too. Good luck and I'm sending prayers your way. 🙂

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Like I explained in my reply to message. A lot of women especially post menopausal women have no side effects from these drugs. I had some but it really was just related to the loss of estrogen. Hot flashes, dry skin, morning stiffness. If your doctor dismisses your concerns that quickly, might I suggest a second opinion. It is hard to make irreversible decisions, but this one is very reversible, you can try it and then change or stop if it is horrible. Do you have a doctor you can trust to help you make this decision?

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@finallyretired

Yes I have had surgery about 6 weeks ago. I'm so confused about what to do as I have read so many negative things about taking a pill. I feel like I should but then the next day I feel like I don't want to. I had an appointment with my oncologist and she explained what the pill would do and that was about it. When she walked out of the room she said "let me know if you want to take the pill". No other information was given to me, no resources. I've been left I feel trying to figure out what is best for me by myself. So I turned to this website and maybe I was in the wrong group because almost everyone is saying how horrible the side effects are. I'm sitting on the fence everyday. Not sure how long I have to make my decision about the treatment.

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@finallyretired, it's really important to remember that not everyone experiences side effects. The people who experience side effect are more likely to take part in a discussion about aromatase inhibitors or tamoxifen because they would like support and tips for dealing with the side effects. That is understandable. But it can also leave the impression that everyone gets side effects.

You can read more about aromatase inhibitors here to help you with your decision making: https://breastcancernow.org/information-support/facing-breast-cancer/going-through-breast-cancer-treatment/hormone-therapy/aromatase-inhibitors-anastrozole-exemestane-letrozole
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"Like all drugs, aromatase inhibitors can cause side effects. Everyone reacts differently to drugs and it’s not possible to predict how any of the drugs will affect an individual.
The side effects of all three drugs are similar. However, some people may get on better with one drug than another.
If you’re finding it hard to cope with side effects from one aromatase inhibitor, your specialist may recommend changing to a different aromatase inhibitor or another hormone therapy drug."

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@finallyretired

Hello @tctredwell1. I read your above post and your situation sounds a lot like mine. My question for you is did you decide to take the pill treatment? I'm 72 years old. My cancer was DCIS Stage 0. My surgeon didn't think it was necessary, didn't give me a choice, that I have the OncotypeDX test so I can't fall back on those results. There is no cancer in my family. It was diagnosed as ER Positive. My concern is the side effects that I have previously read. I'm an active 72 year old and want to enjoy my life for as long as I can, as we all want to of course. Please let me know what you decided to do and I would like to hear how you are doing.

Thank you

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My Lane I had surgery July 22 invasive ductal carcinoma stage one and grade one oncotype test DS ER positive. Test came back four, no chemo and I said no radiation due to other problems that I have. My Dr. Would like for me to take a pill for five years . I will go back again Friday to talk to him again, i still do not want to take the pill. I lie awake at night worrying about my decision. I’m 72 years old just want to enjoy what life I have left.

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@kathyomaha55

I assume she meant whether to take an Aromatase Inhibitor or not. If you are ER+ and/or PR+ then this drug suppresses all hormones in your body, which were feeding your cancer. 40% of people have negative side effects from taking this pill. I have about 13 months left to take mine to hit my 5 year mark. My doctor talked about taking it for 10 years - but I discussed it at length with her and we decided I could stop at 5 years. I was on anastrozole for 12 months and suffered terrible joint pain - especially in my hands. I switched to Exemestane, which for me, has had less side effects. If you are pre-menopausal - they usually prescribe tamafoxin. Get all the information you need to make an informed decision on this. Good luck.

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The aromatase inhibitors do not "supress all hormones in your body" or people would die from taking them, given that there are hormones keeping us alive :‐).

Aromatase inhibitors block the production of estrogen. Thereby, depriving estrogen-fed cancer cells of their fuel, in a sense.

The current statistic cited is that aromatase inhibitors may cut the risk of recurrence of breast cancer by somewhere between 40-45%. That number does not apply to all breast cancers, some being much more aggressive, caught at a later stage, etc., so is a very rough "average."

Approximately 50% of the women who begin aromatase inhibitors discontinue taking them within the first five years for myriad reasons. Most who do, discontinue them within the first two years, usually because of side effects. This is known as the 'non-compliance issue' in the oncology world and several studies address it.

Google Scholar is a good search engine for research and studies related to the many facets of breast cancer treatment and recurrence stats.

The anti-hormone aromatase inhibitors and tamoxifen are powerful drugs and saving some lives. I hope that anyone whose oncologist(s) recommend them try them and, if side effects are negligible and/or the drugs easily tolerated, stay on them for the extra security they can provide, depending upon the type of cancer one is dealing with.

For those taking aromatase inhibitors, please remember that estrogen helps feeds bone renewal, so these drugs require paying close attention to any effects on bones. A recent DEXA scan would be wise to have as a basis for monitoring any changes to bone density after from taking atomatase inhibitors so they can be addressed.

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@mylane

My Lane I had surgery July 22 invasive ductal carcinoma stage one and grade one oncotype test DS ER positive. Test came back four, no chemo and I said no radiation due to other problems that I have. My Dr. Would like for me to take a pill for five years . I will go back again Friday to talk to him again, i still do not want to take the pill. I lie awake at night worrying about my decision. I’m 72 years old just want to enjoy what life I have left.

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If you had the OncotypeDX test and the report from Oncotype listed your result as 4% 'risk of recurrence (loco-regional) within 9 years', that's a very low risk. Assuming, using the statistic accepted by oncologists, that aromatase inhibitors 'may' (that verb is important) reduce your risk of recurrence by less than 50%, the drugs would theoretically reduce your risk from recurrence risk from 4% to about 2.4%.

Put it another way. If you do NOT take the drugs, you have a 96% chance that the cancer will NOT recur 'within 9 years.' And the drugs 'may' only improve that to about 97.6%.

I know three women with similar OncotypeDX scores who declined anti-hormone therapy with the agreement of their oncologists. They are all over 65 years of age and tried the drugs, had side effects that, they felt, were quality of life issues for only a small increase in risk of recurrence.

These are personal decisions. But one way to carve out a path forward would be to get a second opinion from a different oncologist. You can also always try the drugs and might have no side effects or discomfort of any consequence.

I tried anastrozole and had side effects that were a problem. But I also had the OncotypeDX that gave me a very low risk of recurrence as well so stopped taking the drug as the risk/reward ratio wasn't persuasive. I did so though after consulting with two oncologists, both of whom concurred.

It is your body and your life and doctors can advise but they don't live with the consequences. And they frequently don't agree with each other either. So I hope you find the decision that gives you the most peace of mind...

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@mylane

My Lane I had surgery July 22 invasive ductal carcinoma stage one and grade one oncotype test DS ER positive. Test came back four, no chemo and I said no radiation due to other problems that I have. My Dr. Would like for me to take a pill for five years . I will go back again Friday to talk to him again, i still do not want to take the pill. I lie awake at night worrying about my decision. I’m 72 years old just want to enjoy what life I have left.

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@mylane, I can understand your worry about side effects. I'm glad that you have a chance to have a discussion with your oncologist to share your concerns. This is a good chance to have a frank discussion about the statistics, chance of recurrence and what the data shows specifically for you and your current medical status, like if you have pre-existing conditions to consider like osteoporosis or diabetes. You can then weigh that information with your lifestyle and preferences, including the things that bring you joy in life, like gardening, running marathons, knitting, or scuba diving.

These are all things to discuss and have a list of questions ready, for example:
- How does this medication reduce my risk of recurrence? By how much?
- What is my risk if I decide not to take the medication?
- What are the side effects of each of the drug options?
- Are there side effects that are more likely for me, given my health status?
- Can I switch medications?
- Can I stop the medication?
- XXX activity is really important to me. Will this drug affect my ability to do it?
- I'm most worried about ______________. Is that a concern?

What other question might you ask?

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@callalloo

The aromatase inhibitors do not "supress all hormones in your body" or people would die from taking them, given that there are hormones keeping us alive :‐).

Aromatase inhibitors block the production of estrogen. Thereby, depriving estrogen-fed cancer cells of their fuel, in a sense.

The current statistic cited is that aromatase inhibitors may cut the risk of recurrence of breast cancer by somewhere between 40-45%. That number does not apply to all breast cancers, some being much more aggressive, caught at a later stage, etc., so is a very rough "average."

Approximately 50% of the women who begin aromatase inhibitors discontinue taking them within the first five years for myriad reasons. Most who do, discontinue them within the first two years, usually because of side effects. This is known as the 'non-compliance issue' in the oncology world and several studies address it.

Google Scholar is a good search engine for research and studies related to the many facets of breast cancer treatment and recurrence stats.

The anti-hormone aromatase inhibitors and tamoxifen are powerful drugs and saving some lives. I hope that anyone whose oncologist(s) recommend them try them and, if side effects are negligible and/or the drugs easily tolerated, stay on them for the extra security they can provide, depending upon the type of cancer one is dealing with.

For those taking aromatase inhibitors, please remember that estrogen helps feeds bone renewal, so these drugs require paying close attention to any effects on bones. A recent DEXA scan would be wise to have as a basis for monitoring any changes to bone density after from taking atomatase inhibitors so they can be addressed.

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OF course I meant it suppresses estrogen - the hormones that the cancer was being fed upon by being ER+ and PR+. The statistics I wrote were the ones I was told & yes I did google it & read many studies - back in 2018 when diagnosed. I get a DEXA scan annually and told her to get all the info she needed to make a informed decision. I did not mean to get into an argument to anyone.

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@callalloo

If you had the OncotypeDX test and the report from Oncotype listed your result as 4% 'risk of recurrence (loco-regional) within 9 years', that's a very low risk. Assuming, using the statistic accepted by oncologists, that aromatase inhibitors 'may' (that verb is important) reduce your risk of recurrence by less than 50%, the drugs would theoretically reduce your risk from recurrence risk from 4% to about 2.4%.

Put it another way. If you do NOT take the drugs, you have a 96% chance that the cancer will NOT recur 'within 9 years.' And the drugs 'may' only improve that to about 97.6%.

I know three women with similar OncotypeDX scores who declined anti-hormone therapy with the agreement of their oncologists. They are all over 65 years of age and tried the drugs, had side effects that, they felt, were quality of life issues for only a small increase in risk of recurrence.

These are personal decisions. But one way to carve out a path forward would be to get a second opinion from a different oncologist. You can also always try the drugs and might have no side effects or discomfort of any consequence.

I tried anastrozole and had side effects that were a problem. But I also had the OncotypeDX that gave me a very low risk of recurrence as well so stopped taking the drug as the risk/reward ratio wasn't persuasive. I did so though after consulting with two oncologists, both of whom concurred.

It is your body and your life and doctors can advise but they don't live with the consequences. And they frequently don't agree with each other either. So I hope you find the decision that gives you the most peace of mind...

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May I ask where you obtain an Oncotype DX test?

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